Just adding my 2 cents, which has the same value. I feel a need to express myself, but I am not interested in arguing about it. What is done, is done.

The bamboo tiles were a very old glitch, just like steps loading items without stepping into the house. I am pretty sure ''breaking'' staircases in build mode with teletiles is also a glitch. ''Breaking'' deeded items with goza mats is also most likely a glitch. Breedable hops and other peculiar seeds - also a glitch. Some glitches have been allowed to remain because many people enjoyed their happy serendipity.

UO has overland housing, which is visible to anyone who passes by. Even from the very beginning, deco and marketing in UO has been a kind of art form. The bamboo tiles allowed people to create - and display - all kinds of art and services. Not all art is appreciated by all people. I personally do not enjoy glacial borg cubes, but that is just my preference, and there is no way I can avoid seeing it. I am also not a fan of Picasso, but I don't feel a need to insult his art.

This fix has destroyed many works of art (for better or for worse) and removed advertising for useful things like auction safes and transport items. People do not like their art and businesses destroyed, and so there are a lot of unhappy people.

Furthermore, there was no Dev discussion on the matter. There were no efforts to make a settings option for people who either do not like the results or have a computer that lags out. Nothing. Many people have found this lack of consideration to be utterly offensive.

I play in EC, and I never had any issues with lag as a result of deco. I can run past a cluster of castles and get lagged - but that is another problem entirely and has nothing to do with bamboo tiles because those houses do not have them. So imo those people who suffer from lag are running UO on a PC that has insufficient RAM, CPU, or video card, or some combination of the three. This game has grown, and its base requirements have grown also.

It is unfortunate, in my opinion, that a long standing glitch that caused many people joy has been obliterated. I have seen some truly stunning works of perspective ''between'' or ''above'' player houses that added vibrancy to the landscape.

I will miss them.

i7, gf 1080  and i lag near those houses. its not a pc problem its a client problem.
im super happy with this fix.

I7, 32gb ram, fiber net and i use CC and I dont lag at all, now you have your opinion and I have my and I dont like the change, so what now?? Bc no one asked US the paid customers if we would be happy with

So you ASSUME that all the player base didn't want this changed, I myself do not have this problem but if it is affecting others and their game play then it needed to be looked into.  You also need to understand that this is not a US game only and we do not know what the other half of UO thinks.

Bilbo said:

So you ASSUME that all the player base didn't want this changed, I myself do not have this problem but if it is affecting others and their game play then it needed to be looked into.  You also need to understand that this is not a US game only and we do not know what the other half of UO thinks.

Feel free to use Google Translate or WP at your leisure.

What is all this "it WAS a beautiful creation" crap.  IT STILL IS!  To you and to anyone else with the desire or need to step into your house.

It may just look like an empty plot of bamboo to me but I'm fine with that.  If I want to see your house and all your stuff I'll go inside.

The fact is most people in this game who don't use bamboo tiles did not care either way about this bug, as is the case with most bugs UO has.  What few people that truly did not like the bug, many of them didn't even care to report it.  It was tolerable to most.  How do I know this, because this bug could have been fixed years ago.  Not enough complained to make it go away.

However those few who did report it, particularly those who are jealous or have a personal grudge against players who employed this bug to (as the original poster put it) provide services, and therefore would email @Mesanna from multiple email accounts as to make the appearance that a large number of people were against this bug, while the truth is most didn't care either way.  Only until recently since the inception of Auction Safes has Auction Safes threatened other people's vendor shops who don't employ this bug.  This threat to their UO profits is why Mesanna was fraught with an onslaught of complaints.  Despite the fact most people who employed the bug for the purpose of displaying their ART have become collateral damage in a war over greed.  Plain and simple.

On another note, many who employed this bug didn't actually understand this to be a bug.  I know I didn't.  I just believed the bamboo was the default tile that allowed you to load your house publicly as the original poster eloquently stated to show off their works of art. Its an ugly tile to use for any other purpose, so it makes total sense to those who are ignorant that this was its intended use in the game.  

I didn't even bother with the bamboo until Auction Safes came out.  For the longest time I just had a silent auction house I was happy with.  However the invention of the auction safe changed the game, and to keep up with the times, I redesigned a house for this purpose, and my house was NOT overloaded with items, it didn't block anyone, it was just for Auction Safes.  Now no one can see that I have them.  What's the point of having Auction Safes if you can't even see them?

Nails_Warstein said:

The fact is most people in this game who don't use bamboo tiles did not care either way about this bug, as is the case with most bugs UO has.  What few people that truly did not like the bug, many of them didn't even care to report it.  It was tolerable to most.  How do I know this, because this bug could have been fixed years ago.  Not enough complained to make it go away.

None of us knows exactly what the masses think or want because most UO players don't even post on these forums or on Stratics.

This bug was tolerable and wasn't complained about en masse earlier, because it wasn't as widely abused as it had become.  Just walking around Luna shows how many players and houses were now using this bug.

However those few who did report it, particularly those who are jealous or have a personal grudge against players who employed this bug to (as the original poster put it) provide services, and therefore would email @ Mesanna from multiple email accounts as to make the appearance that a large number of people were against this bug, while the truth is most didn't care either way.  Only until recently since the inception of Auction Safes has Auction Safes threatened other people's vendor shops who don't employ this bug.  This threat to their UO profits is why Mesanna was fraught with an onslaught of complaints.  Despite the fact most people who employed the bug for the purpose of displaying their ART have become collateral damage in a war over greed.  Plain and simple.

Nobody is jealous over anyone's stupid Luna house.  Luna hasn't been super relevant since Vendor Search was implemented.  LMAO.  You're right about the auction safes.  Their introduction did indeed exacerbate and greatly increase the exploitation of this bug.  

UO profits?  Give me a break.  Art?  Sure, about as much as a Walmart is. Please.

Nails_Warstein said:

I didn't even bother with the bamboo until Auction Safes came out.  For the longest time I just had a silent auction house I was happy with.  However the invention of the auction safe changed the game, and to keep up with the times, I redesigned a house for this purpose, and my house was NOT overloaded with items, it didn't block anyone, it was just for Auction Safes.  Now no one can see that I have them.  What's the point of having Auction Safes if you can't even see them?

All anyone has to do to see auction safes is to go inside the house.  It is not complicated at all and there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from advertising their house just like vendors have done in UO for years.

Without a doubt auction safes need to be implemented into Vendor Search but that's another issue entirely so maybe all you angry auction safe users should be asking for that.

As for the granite, it was intended for keep and castle owners to moderately customize their homes.  Unfortunately the devs allowed them to be dyed and used in custom houses and so many players took it too far, creating hideous purple and neon green and solid black, disgusting looking structures.  I'm happy they're gone, or at least I don't have to see them.

I wasn't saying anyone was jealous of me personally or had any grudge against me personally, I was citing an example I am very well aware of.  

Zeke I have no quarrel with you.  I am sure you are a wonderful person.  I barely have time to play this game with 3 little boys.  I am expressing an opinion.  There is no need to personalize this argument against me, please stop doing it.  

I wish you well, and I am glad you are happy by the change.  I am sure you were suffering terribly by it all.  Enjoy the peace you now have from all these house designs.

Give me a few moments... I after to go through all the responses from the Dev Team on this....

Ivenor said:

Bilbo said:

So you ASSUME that all the player base didn't want this changed, I myself do not have this problem but if it is affecting others and their game play then it needed to be looked into.  You also need to understand that this is not a US game only and we do not know what the other half of UO thinks.

Ok: here is one thought from Italy after a stroll on ATL Luna, from a player that frequently plays on ATL, sometimes at USA peak times, using a normal ADSL line, on a 2017 iMac with Win10 under BootCamp, and without any lag worth mentioning:

"Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant."

                                                Publius Cornelius Tacitus, "De Agricola"

Feel free to use Google Translate or WP at your leisure.

So supposedly according to you one person out of all the UO players said, you do understand that by repeating what someone says is considered hearsay and the person saying it is more than welcome to make an account and say it first hand.

Tanager said:

This fix has destroyed many works of art (for better or for worse) and removed advertising for useful things like auction safes and transport items. People do not like their art and businesses destroyed, and so there are a lot of unhappy people.

... but it hasn't destroyed anything. Everything that was there before the bug fix is still there. 

/end

When I did a walk through of Luna today the extravagant houses are still there.  You just need to walk up a step and see all of the gaudiness in its full gaudy glory.

I agree they should have made this a configurable option under display options. 

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Bilbo said:

So you ASSUME that all the player base didn't want this changed, I myself do not have this problem but if it is affecting others and their game play then it needed to be looked into.  You also need to understand that this is not a US game only and we do not know what the other half of UO thinks.

Ok: here is one thought from Italy after a stroll on ATL Luna, from a player that frequently plays on ATL, sometimes at USA peak times, using a normal ADSL line, on a 2017 iMac with Win10 under BootCamp, and without any lag worth mentioning:

"Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant."

                                                Publius Cornelius Tacitus, "De Agricola"

Feel free to use Google Translate or WP at your leisure.

So supposedly according to you one person out of all the UO players said, you do understand that by repeating what someone says is considered hearsay and the person saying it is more than welcome to make an account and say it first hand.

TimSt said:

(...)

I agree they should have made this a configurable option under display options. 

And THIS is the wisest observation! 

My opinion, is I have no idea what any of you are talking about...

I've never seen a bamboo decorated house on Atlantic, Europa, or Siege, never noticed it, have no idea what they looked like before, and have no idea what they look like now.

Just shows how diverse UO is, I play 90% of the game content, but I don't do housing or deco, no interest in this - I just want to sell my Felucca castle, for a 3 storey borg cube, that I can design with space, the ability to walk practically between the practical things I want to use, with a certain theme on each of the 3 floors. I have no interest in anyone else seeing it, I just want a practical space to use. Only thing stopping me, is I have no idea about houses, I wouldn't know how to even get myself a borg cube. 🙁

I'd like my crafting stations and storage on the ground floor, a library on the second floor including all my bod books, and a roof garden, including all gatherable tree's and items on the roof... A large square space, that allows me to fit it all in, and walk between it all. And yeah, if that could look nice as well, fair enough, I'm a minimalist tidy freak though.

I like how Tenager feels their opinion is so important it requires a whole knew thread, and isn't worthy of being placed into the other 2 open threads on this topic on the front page.

At the time of my post, there was one thread reporting that the bamboo fix was incomplete. I did not read it. There was another thread with a rather negative vibe to the title, and I did not feel compelled to read it either. I was already upset enough. I prefer not to make comments in threads I have not read. I apologize if my massive ego in creating my own conversation is offensive to anyone.

This ''fix'' was for the sake of people complaining about lag. I never had any. Lag still exists, and it exists in the same places as before. There are many reasons why a player might choose to have a private house but still enjoy adding artful creations to their community. Discussing the change is pointless, it will not be reverted. I just needed to vent in a format where I felt I might be heard.

Sorry to have wasted anyone's time.

LOL

Mervyn...bless his heart.

Yeah, as long as this went on,  there is one thing it makes me think of.  And that is that it was never a problem to worry about until one or two special people complained about it, and then became a top priority item.  I have become convinced, over the last few years, its not how many have ideas, it's who has ideas.  

Meanwhile the lag goes on, even with the fix...

You got right @Uriah_Heep
They managed to piss everybody bc of 2 or 3 tht had grudges against each other and now we all paid for... and for those with EC crap computer, what else you want the devs to kill?? Events?? Since you already bitch that so many people attend to them and ur crap computer cant handle.
maybe we can suggest them to kill Felucca , bc you are getting killed, since is all about you...

Btw , bc of people like you is that many of us are closing lot of accounts....

While I realise this is a hot topic, and many people are upset, can we please keep in mind the board's number one rule that other posters are treated with respect?

Please enlighten us on these 2-3 SPECIAL people that you all are blaming for this.

Also... just for the record... the vast majority of my dissatisfaction with this fix is the lack of consideration. Yes, it has always been a bug. The devs are fixing bugs. This particular bug, however, had existed for a long time and had become ingrained in the art culture of the community. With a bit more effort involved, the team could have found a way to make the loading of houses an option in settings. Or at the very least explained why not. The EC client, for example, has the ability to ignore the loading of individual items. Did anyone even try to use this to prevent granite walls from showing to them?

The destruction of town memorials combined with this current change has left me with a very unpleasant taste in my mouth and a dwindling desire to invest in the game's future. No discussion, no explanations. Just a great big hammer.

Tanager said:

Also... just for the record... the vast majority of my dissatisfaction with this fix is the lack of consideration. Yes, it has always been a bug. The devs are fixing bugs. This particular bug, however, had existed for a long time and had become ingrained in the art culture of the community. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

Once again, since you conveniently ignored my previous post, and likely this one too, I will state again: nothing has been destroyed. Any town memorial, building or decoration is still there as it was before the bug fix. If you want to view the house and the decoration you are going to step in to the house anyways. What's the big deal?

Who are these 2-3 people that have so much influence over Mesanna and the devs?  I'd like to become friends with them.

There's probably not 20,000 players left.  Of that who posts regularly here or on Stratics? One hundred?  Two hundred.  Seems like quite a bit less that that to me.

Now how many players complained via email or by paging a GM?  By filling out a bug report?  Nobody except the devs knows that.

I did read it. My response, without naming you specifically, was that many houses are PRIVATE. You cannot walk into them. It would appear that you do not understand why artists are upset over the issue. For me, as I stated, it is not about not being able to force my deco onto others. It is about the utter lack of regard to a very large chunk of the community. My objection is not to the change itself, but the manner in which it was done.

I am done with this topic. Please accept your win of this ''fix'' with graciousness.

Good riddance ugly slow loading houses.

Signed,
Every fel player on Atlantic

Hmm, "Private" home but still be able to show off your stuff to the public.  Is this the twilight zone, am I missing something?!  Noone came to me when they fixed the roof bugs or the vendor trick years back.  Maybe I should whine about closing my account to retro fix it too.   LOL.   The greedy people who make rl cash off this game are mad now, so when they quit more money will flow back into the game making the game actually better.  So I say have a nice goodbye.

Tanager said:

(...)

Please accept your win of this ''fix'' with graciousness.

Lynk said:

Good riddance ugly slow loading houses.

Signed,
Every fel player on Atlantic

So, as I said, every of "kill everything that moves" players.

The_Higgs_1 said:

Hmm, "Private" home but still be able to show off your stuff to the public.  Is this the twilight zone, am I missing something?!  Noone came to me when they fixed the roof bugs or the vendor trick years back.  Maybe I should whine about closing my account to retro fix it too.   LOL.   The greedy people who make rl cash off this game are mad now, so when they quit more money will flow back into the game making the game actually better.  So I say have a nice goodbye.

Ivenor said:

Ah, just FYI:

https://stratics.com/threads/amazing-cleansing-coming-to-luna-with-is-coming-publish.407851/page-2#post-2993171

The bean counters will noticee as enough accounts close.  But for the protest to be effective, this guy has the right attitude.  Move the good stuff and close other accounts.

If you just close accounts and leave the houses to fall with all the goddies in it, no one will feel the pain, because the powers know that people will open more accounts to save and keep the rares.  So the net loss won't be too bad.

But if collectors trash the stuff, and then close accounts...those accounts are gone, There;s no need for open accounts when there's nothing to salvage.

And @The_Higgs_1 , the ones supporting this game are the RMT'ers and rare collectors,  Lots of accounts there, and even if they aren't always paid every month, it's still tremendous $$.  

LOL no way the casual player like me, and the dozen or so pk'ers who are so vocal, are keeping this game afloat.

Ivenor said:

Ah, BTW: It is interesting to note that of ALL the people happy with this "fix", NO ONE of them is in Deco or "pro" Vendors, but they are ALL of the "kill everything that moves" persuasion.

And you know everything about everyone posting here, how exactly?  Because you read a few posts?  Because we disagree with you?  You don't know jack shit about me, my playstyle, what I have or what I enjoy about UO.  ASSUME much?  I don't have the number of accounts I do because I need 100 characters.  It's because I like houses, designing them and building them and decorating them.

You don't know a damn thing about me or most anyone else who posts here.

*wishes I could close my own thread, and will prolly never start another thread again*

Tanager said:

*wishes I could close my own thread, and will prolly never start another thread again*

Ah, it's not that bad.  One or two drama queens is all.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, to make their case and to express their dissatisfaction about the game.  We all love this game I have no doubt.

When some posters start going on about how nobody wanted this because only a few posters were vocal about it they just show themselves to be selfish, self-centered crybabies, ignorant of the facts.

People start making assumptions about other posters based upon nothing more than reading their posts, just proves their immaturity and ignorance.

Some people act like their houses got deleted LOL. "Im gonna close 8 accounts because my house is still the same" hahaha 🙂 And then "my house is private but i need u to see it". Give me a break pls!

Tanager said:

Also... just for the record... the vast majority of my dissatisfaction with this fix is the lack of consideration. Yes, it has always been a bug. The devs are fixing bugs. This particular bug, however, had existed for a long time and had become ingrained in the art culture of the community. With a bit more effort involved, the team could have found a way to make the loading of houses an option in settings. Or at the very least explained why not. The EC client, for example, has the ability to ignore the loading of individual items. Did anyone even try to use this to prevent granite walls from showing to them?

The destruction of town memorials combined with this current change has left me with a very unpleasant taste in my mouth and a dwindling desire to invest in the game's future. No discussion, no explanations. Just a great big hammer.

Not that I wish to anger anyone but my opinion which I will express because I feel it is important is that you knew the issue with the bamboo tiles and that it was a bug. You also knew by your admission that one of the jobs of the development team was to fix bugs no matter if it has been around 1 day or 20 years but you decided to take advantage of the bug knowing that it could be fixed at any time. I am sorry this is incovienent for you that this bug was fixed but it has reduced the lag in some areas I frequent and i appreciate the fact that it was fixed. My computer is not brand new, its a few years okld but it has enough processing speed and memory to handle this game. Maybe one day i will be able to afford a gaming rig but until then I am happy the development team is doing what it can to make my gaming experience an enjoyable one. 

Ivenor said:

Ah, BTW: It is interesting to note that of ALL the people happy with this "fix", NO ONE of them is in Deco or "pro" Vendors, but they are ALL of the "kill everything that moves" persuasion.

Bzzt, wrong.  🙂

I play on Trammel to relax. I never go to dungeons these days, and I definitely don't do pvp.
I love the "medieval" look in Britannia, and I my own house is following that theme.

Going to Luna quickly took you away from that medieval feeling, when you entered upon houses that looked like a unicorn thew up allover them.

Aldora said:

Going to Luna quickly took you away from that medieval feeling, when you entered upon houses that looked like a unicorn thew up allover them.

I would say Luna looks like Vegas if you crammed all of the casinos next to each other and had a unicorn sneeze all over them.

I have removed several posts due to personal bickering that brought nothing to this discussion. All other threads on this subject will be locked. Review the Terms of Service before replying.

Tanager said:

*wishes I could close my own thread, and will prolly never start another thread again*

I have taken the liberty of editing the title of this thread somewhat. I hope you do not mind.

Rorschach said:

Tanager said:

*wishes I could close my own thread, and will prolly never start another thread again*

I have taken the liberty of editing the title of this thread somewhat. I hope you do not mind.

Objection noted. The topic is still open for discussion in this thread. This was the best of the threads and some thought went into many of the postings. 

Cookie said:

My opinion, is I have no idea what any of you are talking about...

I've never seen a bamboo decorated house on Atlantic, Europa, or Siege, never noticed it, have no idea what they looked like before, and have no idea what they look like now.

Just shows how diverse UO is, I play 90% of the game content, but I don't do housing or deco, no interest in this - I just want to sell my Felucca castle, for a 3 storey borg cube, that I can design with space, the ability to walk practically between the practical things I want to use, with a certain theme on each of the 3 floors. I have no interest in anyone else seeing it, I just want a practical space to use. Only thing stopping me, is I have no idea about houses, I wouldn't know how to even get myself a borg cube. 🙁

I'd like my crafting stations and storage on the ground floor, a library on the second floor including all my bod books, and a roof garden, including all gatherable tree's and items on the roof... A large square space, that allows me to fit it all in, and walk between it all. And yeah, if that could look nice as well, fair enough, I'm a minimalist tidy freak though.

Cookie? Do you know about the castle styles you can convert your current castle to? You probably do, but just in case, hop over to the homes and castles section and I or someone can help you. There are some with nice open spaces.

Gidge said:

Cookie said:

I'd like my crafting stations and storage on the ground floor, a library on the second floor including all my bod books, and a roof garden, including all gatherable tree's and items on the roof... A large square space, that allows me to fit it all in, and walk between it all. And yeah, if that could look nice as well, fair enough, I'm a minimalist tidy freak though.

Cookie? Do you know about the castle styles you can convert your current castle to? You probably do, but just in case, hop over to the homes and castles section and I or someone can help you. There are some with nice open spaces.

Hi Gidge,

I actually don't, I have not one artistic or creative bone in my body, so I avoid all those areas of the game, as I can't get my head around it. 🙂 The only reason I have a castle, is an old friend gave it to me on quitting the game.

I know they've done 2 competitions, I was hoping for a nice design with a ton of space (and 3 floors for my concept), I have not looked closely, but it's an aspect of the game I just have zero knowledge of, where to even begin.

I believe my castle can be adjusted, and I may go for it, if I see something, not known where to look, don't know how to do it, and I don't know the costs involved. I'll go to homes and castles section, thanks for the pointer. 🙂

 And Tanager, your opinion is very valid, don't be feeling bad about kicking something off, it just shows there is a passion involved in this topic.

Big fan of yours ingame, have seen you around, I'm also a big fan of Mervyn's, so maybe I don't have such great taste. 😂

This particular topic, is not one I can contribute to in any way, so I'm a neutral, and therefore likely to go completely off topic. I normally wouldn't get involved, but the fact this even blew up as a topic, caught me by surprise, was interesting.

I understand that some folks are fine with living in a cardboard box with some crates and a forge. That is fine. But housing in UO is art for others. People like for their home to look nice - from the outside as well. The image below is an example of a home that does not make sense until you load it. It looks ugly. It does not complement the player town in which it stands anywhere near as fully as before. People are upset over this. Insulting their art and insulting people for being upset that their art is effectively destroyed is not constructive. It is all moot anyway, but I just wanted to make one last attempt to show how the art is, in fact, effected even tho it is still there.

Most houses look way better when not loaded, that is why the player has the option of loading the house by stepping onto it. Plus lag issues. 

Tanager said:

I understand that some folks are fine with living in a cardboard box with some crates and a forge. That is fine. But housing in UO is art for others. People like for their home to look nice - from the outside as well. The image below is an example of a home that does not make sense until you load it. It looks ugly. It does not complement the player town in which it stands anywhere near as fully as before. People are upset over this. Insulting their art and insulting people for being upset that their art is effectively destroyed is not constructive. It is all moot anyway, but I just wanted to make one last attempt to show how the art is, in fact, effected even tho it is still there.

your feeling is that you have the right to force us to see what you designed,  what about our right to not look at it unless we want to?

We still need to hear from @Mesanna whos Idea was to mess with this "fix" when No one asked about... as you can see @Mesanna ; @Bleak ; @Kyronix ; you managed to piss of a Lot of people with this wrong move and a lot of them are quitting or closing lot of accounts because you just did something that NO one asked. there is a lot of posts like this one:



[ Please do not link or post images from discussions on this topic from any other forums] edited by Rorschach
 
and many others that were affected by this, and the only reason this started was because of a famous player here that is hiding behind "another" name have a personal vendetta against another rare collector in Luna and inclusive have a BOT gating to HIS Castle 24/7 . and Because of this person now we are all paying for it. 
 Like @Mesanna like to say on the M&G , she have so much things to catch up on their "To Do" list , including the "coming soon" account mgmt. that I don't believe this bamboo thing was a priority , specially that didn't help on anything at all and they know that. I really like you guys to reconsider this wrong decision, just like you guys Hears Us, the paying customer when you decided to charge us 200M to convert classic castles into the ne bug ones.

Then there is "art" that looks like this, and I really don't care for that eyesore to autoload when I enter Luna. It is also full of animated pieces making it even worse than a still pic can show.
(I'm sorry if I offended the... artist of the house.

Superfrog said:

your feeling is that you have the right to force us to see what you designed,  what about our right to not look at it unless we want to?

That's why several of us asked them to look into an option in the client to not load deco if the player chose. 

 UO does not have instanced housing. We are all ''forced'' to see every single house in this game.  It was designed this way so that people could build houses and towns. No different than some one in the real world who puts a lot of effort into a beautiful lawn and landscaping. Of course they want their neighbors to see it. Perhaps it is vanity, but to me it is no different than the PvPer proudly brandishing some uber weapon. Just different category. This is, after all, a fantasy world.

A change was made to the game to lower its requirements, and as a result my immersion in the game when I visit a player town has been effected. Like all forms of art, the... erm... style varies and may not be appreciated by everyone. I understand that other people's immersion is effected when they go into a town such as Luna and are bombarded with non-medieval homes. I have been able to just quietly roll my eyes at some of these creations and move on with my life.

With all of that said, however, my complaint is not that the bug was fixed. My point is that this was done in a callous manner. It would have been far, FAR more constructive to make this an option in settings. I feel that this could still be done. People could then choose if they wanted to see the art in its entirety as they run past houses doing trade runs and the like. But there was absolutely zero discussion on the matter, and that is what I am upset about. This thread is probably pointless but there is a tiny, tiny chance that the powers that be might see something that might cause them to take things into account in the future. Tiny.

On a constructive note, perhaps a special carpet tile can be added to the store that does what bamboo used to. It is unlikely that many people will pave their entire house with it, so I would not expect the lag to be massive. I still think an options setting would be better, though. People with decent gaming PCs and a solid server connection would have the option to enjoy what their rig can display.

Tanager said:

 UO does not have instanced housing. We are all ''forced'' to see every single house in this game.  It was designed this way so that people could build houses and towns. No different than some one in the real world who puts a lot of effort into a beautiful lawn and landscaping. Of course they want their neighbors to see it. Perhaps it is vanity, but to me it is no different than the PvPer proudly brandishing some uber weapon. Just different category. This is, after all, a fantasy world.

A change was made to the game to lower its requirements, and as a result my immersion in the game when I visit a player town has been effected. Like all forms of art, the... erm... style varies and may not be appreciated by everyone. I understand that other people's immersion is effected when they go into a town such as Luna and are bombarded with non-medieval homes. I have been able to just quietly roll my eyes at some of these creations and move on with my life.

With all of that said, however, my complaint is not that the bug was fixed. My point is that this was done in a callous manner. It would have been far, FAR more constructive to make this an option in settings. I feel that this could still be done. People could then choose if they wanted to see the art in its entirety as they run past houses doing trade runs and the like. But there was absolutely zero discussion on the matter, and that is what I am upset about. This thread is probably pointless but there is a tiny, tiny chance that the powers that be might see something that might cause them to take things into account in the future. Tiny.

On a constructive note, perhaps a special carpet tile can be added to the store that does what bamboo used to. It is unlikely that many people will pave their entire house with it, so I would not expect the lag to be massive. I still think an options setting would be better, though. People with decent gaming PCs and a solid server connection would have the option to enjoy what their rig can display.

But we are not forced to see everything, including the neon puke creations some make. If i want to see your add on/ special deco i can step on your house.  but with that bug it was "SURPRISE LOOK AT WHAT I WANT YOU TO, LIKE IT OR NOT!! 
here is an example: 

I would much prefer to look at this:



Than to look at this: 

*goes to rest his poor assaulted eyeballs.

I like all the houses in this thread except the blank plot.

That player clearly put a lot of time, effort, and expense into their creation. While I personally may not enjoy it, I don't think insulting their work is constructive. I am content to see such things if it means I can see other works that I do enjoy. I am sure there are people who roll their eyes at some of my artistic expressions. I just wish there was an option. On my shard, Siege, the majority of houses are private for security reasons. I was still able to enjoy their art, tho. But, oh well. My spleen is vented, and I am gonna go sink some ships now.

Tanager said:

That player clearly put a lot of time, effort, and expense into their creation. While I personally may not enjoy it, I don't think insulting their work is constructive. I am content to see such things if it means I can see other works that I do enjoy. I am sure there are people who roll their eyes at some of my artistic expressions. I just wish there was an option. On my shard, Siege, the majority of houses are private for security reasons. I was still able to enjoy their art, tho. But, oh well. My spleen is vented, and I am gonna go sink some ships now.

The point of it is, they purposefully used a bug to force it into view instead of just letting it be viewable only to those inside the house. Fortunately that is now up to us to either go in the house and load it, or not.

Ivenor said:

The_Higgs_1 said:

Hmm, "Private" home but still be able to show off your stuff to the public.  Is this the twilight zone, am I missing something?!  Noone came to me when they fixed the roof bugs or the vendor trick years back.  Maybe I should whine about closing my account to retro fix it too.   LOL.   The greedy people who make rl cash off this game are mad now, so when they quit more money will flow back into the game making the game actually better.  So I say have a nice goodbye.

You are SO delusional that you seems almost endaring. Almost. And you know why? Because the uspeakable secret is that THOSE people are the owners of one of the largest chunk of Paying Accounts.

They should be BANNED! If the game shuts down because all of the RMT people have closed their accounts, oh well. I would rather see that, than to continue to allow it. At least @Mesanna will have shown SOME integrity by banning them. She KNOWS who they are. To do otherwise is a slap in the face of ALL of the HONEST players, who DO obey the rules. Which IS what is being done by the "brokers/Realtors/rares collectors" who preach on how honest and good they are, and then turn around and sell their gold and items for RMT. Thereby basically spitting in the faces of the honest players.

FYI, Bottom line, What I am hearing you say, is that simply because they have a lot of accounts they should be allowed to break the rules. Is that correct? Surely I have misunderstood! SURELY you aren't advocating that this is, or should be, acceptable behavior/policy? Think about it. 🙂

FYI, Bottom line, What I am hearing you say, is that simply because they have a lot of accounts they should be allowed to break the rules. Is that correct? Surely I have misunderstood! 

Surely they aren't saying that.  Just because someone pays for multiple accounts shouldn't give them preferential treatment.  

I played with the EC options for ignoring an item. It is only 30 minutes, and only ignores the tag (for ctrl shift). Maybe this could be expanded to be something a bit more permanent, since it seems that most of the lag complaints come from EC users.

Let's take a look at the Rules of conduct from the UO website in particular #19 



Whether this is right or wrong in your opinion, the team is bound to abide by these until such time as they are changed. Time will tell if enough people will quit to do any serious damage to the game.  Personally I bet they will do a lot of posturing and whining, maybe even quit for a month. but ultimately we are all addicted to this game and like Mr. Biggums says:

Aldora said:

Then there is "art" that looks like this, and I really don't care for that eyesore to autoload when I enter Luna. It is also full of animated pieces making it even worse than a still pic can show.
(I'm sorry if I offended the... artist of the house.

The bamboo floor tiles are part of the bamboo wall collection for making savage huts, which can be well done. They also look nice when used to build certain types of bridges, specially in tree-themed homes.

Unlike every other tile set, they had this unexpected ability to load EVERYTHING in a house above and below that tile. I call it a bug because its correction was listed in the bug fix section of the current publish. This bug is so old that people believed it was a feature, just like other bugs that decorators frequently use. Calling those decorators exploiters is not really fair imo. Some people believe that getting to where you want to be and then relogging for your pet is a bug. Others think it is a feature. Either way, if it is ever disposed of, it will most likely be listed in the bug section also.

Without Dev input on the matter, we will never know for sure.

I have removed many posts that are redundant, trollish in nature or off subject. Any posts that violate the Terms of Service will be removed. 

The_Higgs_1 said:

All these people who think when they quit the game will shutdown.  Talk about selfish and full of themselves.  This game has survived for a long time before you were here and will be alive after you leave.  

Ivenor said:

So, the casual traveller has lost only eyesores & Las Vegas kitsch, right?

Go ask this ARTIST how many hours has he spent on this "Dwarnen Village" houses an ATL (there are around 20 of them, and EVERY ONE OF THEM IS A PAYING ACCOUNT), and tell him that, nope, sorry, to see your work now one has to enter EVERY SINGLE HOUSE, and who cares if your work to have an artistic Gestalt is ruined...

BEFORE

NOW

This still does not change the fact that the Devs fixed a bug.  regardless of of how long it took, it is still a bug fix and as has been stated, he can still see it when he's in the house.  not everyone wants to see what everyone else made.

Looks nice but so what!  The creators and developers have NEVER intended for anyone's deco and stuff to load automatically.  Only the classic house and customization tool created tiles were ever supposed to be loaded into client cache and shown onscreen.  UNLESS you intentionally went into the house.

Did he go and ask his neighbor there, BEFORE exploiting the bamboo bug, if he was ok with all his deco and stuff filling up his neighbor's cache everytime he was in his own house?  Doubtful.

That's the point.  It takes up unnecessary bandwidth and memory cache and 90% of them are sick disgusting eyesores.

Ezekiel_Zane said:

(...)
Quit repeating that only "one" person caused all this.  It's BS.  You know it but you keep repeating it.  Many people have complained about this and many more have chimed in to the threads about it, such as myself.  I didn't even know it was the bamboo floor tile that was causing me to see all this ugly stuff and to lag, until the complaints started popping up on the forums.

Quit repeating that only "one" person caused all this.  It's BS.  You know it but you keep repeating it.  Many people have complained about this and many more have chimed in to the threads about it, such as myself.  I didn't even know it was the bamboo floor tile that was causing me to see all this ugly stuff and to lag, until the complaints started popping up on the forums.

Ivenor said:

Ezekiel_Zane said:

(...)
Quit repeating that only "one" person caused all this.  It's BS.  You know it but you keep repeating it.  Many people have complained about this and many more have chimed in to the threads about it, such as myself.  I didn't even know it was the bamboo floor tile that was causing me to see all this ugly stuff and to lag, until the complaints started popping up on the forums.

Beg your pardon? Did you ever heard of the PLURAL form of "you", as in "Go (you all - implicit) ask" ?

And what has this to do with BroadSword??? 😂

Fixed.  The second part of my post wasn't really directed specifically at your post.

so according to your perspective, so why don't you send them a request and make 100% of ALL the UO houses the same? no matter classic house or custom, make them all look like a plot and them force us all to go 1 by 1 inside to load... lets go that route now, Lets make all UO houses look like a plot!!!!!!!!

KeithofNonsense said:

so according to your perspective, so why don't you send them a request and make 100% of ALL the UO houses the same? no matter classic house or custom, make them all look like a plot and them force us all to go 1 by 1 inside to load... lets go that route now, Lets make all UO houses look like a plot!!!!!!!!

I’d be fine with that. 

Ezekiel_Zane said:l.

That's the point.  It takes up unnecessary bandwidth and memory cache and 90% of them are sick disgusting eyesores.

Really?  This isn't 1997 anymore, we're not on dialup, and have better than a 486processor (even me!).

So toss that complaint, and the eyesore...well, that;s subjective

LMFAO I just spent the day over on ATL and not one whine what-so-ever about this fix and no new plots from people rage dropping their houses in Luna or anybody rage selling their houses.  Where all all these rage quitters at, oh that is right there are none.  When are the whiners here going to quit, please DEVs when they do just delete their houses and their accounts ASAP.

Uriah_Heep said:

Ezekiel_Zane said:l.

That's the point.  It takes up unnecessary bandwidth and memory cache and 90% of them are sick disgusting eyesores.

Really?  This isn't 1997 anymore, we're not on dialup, and have better than a 486processor (even me!).

Doesn't matter.  It's still not necessary and completely intentional that all that data doesn't get called from the server and sent thru the pipeline by 100+ players.

There's 3,000 - 4,000 items in most houses minimum.  Add vendors and mannequins and all the stuff they are displaying.  Now add multiple houses and 100s of players all encountering this repeatedly.  It adds up.

I'm not saying some high-end equipment and a gigabit connection couldn't handle.  Again, that's not the point.  The point is that it's unnecessary to send all that data when it's unwanted.  The developers don't want to send it that's why houses are designed the way they are.  Only the statics load not everything else unless the player chooses for it to by stepping into the house.

Superfrog said:

Tanager said:

That player clearly put a lot of time, effort, and expense into their creation. While I personally may not enjoy it, I don't think insulting their work is constructive. I am content to see such things if it means I can see other works that I do enjoy. I am sure there are people who roll their eyes at some of my artistic expressions. I just wish there was an option. On my shard, Siege, the majority of houses are private for security reasons. I was still able to enjoy their art, tho. But, oh well. My spleen is vented, and I am gonna go sink some ships now.

The point of it is, they purposefully used a bug to force it into view instead of just letting it be viewable only to those inside the house. Fortunately that is now up to us to either go in the house and load it, or not.

I am happy with this bug fix which has been exploited for a very long time. I know I am one of many people that are happy with this bug fix, which hampered my ability to move at times which not only happened in the town of Luna but outside of town in some areas where the home owners wanted to disply there treasures which they all have a right to do. The problem is when it affects the game playof other paying customers by making it difficult to move. I understand that you enjoy decorating your homes as I aslo like to decorate my homes as well, however I do not think it is right or fair that anyone would use an exploit or bug to do things that were not intended especially if it hampers other paying customers enjoyment of the game. We all have a great passion for this game which is why we have most of us been here from the beginning. I hope that everyone could see the benefit of being able to decorate our homes as we wish but also not forsing it and the lag unto others. I wish outher players here would sound of to show there support for this fix not as a competition to us against them but to show it is not just 1 or 2 persons who are in support of this fix. However at the end of the day we need to realize that this is a BUG which has been EXPLOITED for a long time. We can get on the Dev team and say fix this  bug but don't touch that bug. If they are here to fix bug then that is what we should be happy about. Them as a group doing their jobs to the best of their ability. Thank you DEV team. I appreciate all of you and all you do to improve OUR UO WORLD.

There are far more people defending this bug fix then there are people raging about it even in this thread.  I think it is pathetic that some people demand the right to infringe on others game play than RAGE when the DEVs say enough is enough.  The DEVs do not have to respond to any of this because their actions said more than enough and also the RAGERS need to understand that they do not own a darn thing in UO they are only renting the use of it, EA owns everything including all these eyesores.

Bilbo said:

There are far more people defending this bug fix then there are people raging about it even in this thread.  I think it is pathetic that some people demand the right to infringe on others game play than RAGE when the DEVs say enough is enough.  The DEVs do not have to respond to any of this because their actions said more than enough and also the RAGERS need to understand that they do not own a darn thing in UO they are only renting the use of it, EA owns everything including all these eyesores.

Short and sweet. I love it. I wish I could convey my points so concisely. 

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

I was thinking the same thing @Petra_Fyde. You beat me to the punch. 🙂

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

By the way what is RTM? 

Arron said:

By the way what is RTM? 

A forbidden topic in this Forum...

I only asked because it was mentioned. 

ok thanks

Ivenor said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra, the problem are NOT the "Auction Houses", but the loss to the CASUAL travellers of DOZEN of (frequently multi-house) ARTISTIC installations, as the ones I posted above and many others, some of them shown here too, in the Deco section, as the little 2 houses one in a Japanese shard (I cannot find it now).

Because if you think that many people will stop to every "blank" Lot to see what jewels it could hide... well, sorry, but this is unrealistc (and plainly impossible for the Private houses).

If even a Deco buff as you cannot understand this...

As has already been said, nothing has been lost. The houses are still there, they just have to step onto the “porch” to see it, instead of taking advantage of a bug to force it into view. If the persons house is private, then they will have to decide if they really want the house to be seen. 

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra, the problem are NOT the "Auction Houses", but the loss to the CASUAL travellers of DOZEN of (frequently multi-house) ARTISTIC installations, as the ones I posted above and many others, some of them shown here too, in the Deco section, as the little 2 houses one in a Japanese shard (I cannot find it now).

Because if you think that many people will stop to every "blank" Lot to see what jewels it could hide... well, sorry, but this is unrealistc (and plainly impossible for the Private houses).

If even a Deco buff as you cannot understand this...

As has already been said, nothing has been lost. The houses are still there, they just have to step onto the “porch” to see it, instead of taking advantage of a bug to force it into view. If the persons house is private, then they will have to decide if they really want the house to be seen. 

Ivenor said:

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra, the problem are NOT the "Auction Houses", but the loss to the CASUAL travellers of DOZEN of (frequently multi-house) ARTISTIC installations, as the ones I posted above and many others, some of them shown here too, in the Deco section, as the little 2 houses one in a Japanese shard (I cannot find it now).

Because if you think that many people will stop to every "blank" Lot to see what jewels it could hide... well, sorry, but this is unrealistc (and plainly impossible for the Private houses).

If even a Deco buff as you cannot understand this...

As has already been said, nothing has been lost. The houses are still there, they just have to step onto the “porch” to see it, instead of taking advantage of a bug to force it into view. If the persons house is private, then they will have to decide if they really want the house to be seen. 

We are all repeating the same arguments over and over: IMO what have been lost are hours and hours of WORK and the "Gestalt" effect of multiple houses players's "villages".

Let's try a compromise, OK? I will stop to rattle my drum to have the BT reinstated, and you and your "fellows" will support a STRONG request to the Devs to introduce ASAP a "Preferences Toggle" to leave to the Players the choice if the custom Houses will autoload or not.

OK? Fair enough?

The toggles exist, you can walk in the house to see it, as long as the owner has toggled it to public. So nothing further is needed 

Ivenor said:

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra, the problem are NOT the "Auction Houses", but the loss to the CASUAL travellers of DOZEN of (frequently multi-house) ARTISTIC installations, as the ones I posted above and many others, some of them shown here too, in the Deco section, as the little 2 houses one in a Japanese shard (I cannot find it now).

Because if you think that many people will stop to every "blank" Lot to see what jewels it could hide... well, sorry, but this is unrealistc (and plainly impossible for the Private houses).

If even a Deco buff as you cannot understand this...

As has already been said, nothing has been lost. The houses are still there, they just have to step onto the “porch” to see it, instead of taking advantage of a bug to force it into view. If the persons house is private, then they will have to decide if they really want the house to be seen. 

We are all repeating the same arguments over and over: IMO what have been lost are hours and hours of WORK and the "Gestalt" effect of multiple houses players's "villages".

Let's try a compromise, OK? I will stop to rattle my drum to have the BT reinstated, and you and your "fellows" will support a STRONG request to the Devs to introduce ASAP a "Preferences Toggle" to leave to the Players the choice if the custom Houses will autoload or not.

OK? Fair enough?

The toggles exist, you can walk in the house to see it, as long as the owner has toggled it to public. So nothing further is needed 

It is NOT the same thing as to have a general Toggle for EVERY house, Public or Private, and I presume that you understand it very well, so now it is definitively clear that you are in bad faith.

Fair enough and so long.

What I am saying is the toggle is not needed. But to your point if someone (like you, who is so dedicated to artistic freedom of expression)wants to submit it and the devs want to implement it I will be for it as long as the default is to not show the houses. 

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Superfrog said:

Ivenor said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I don't see those houses as 'ruined' I see them as intriguing, I would see the blank plot and think 'I wonder what's on there'. I'd then take much more notice of what I'd made the effort to see than if I'd just walked by it.
At the end of the day people were using a bug to circumvent game mechanics, which do not allow houses to be loaded until entered. 
Put an npc on the steps inviting people 'auctions inside' it that's the problem. 

Petra, the problem are NOT the "Auction Houses", but the loss to the CASUAL travellers of DOZEN of (frequently multi-house) ARTISTIC installations, as the ones I posted above and many others, some of them shown here too, in the Deco section, as the little 2 houses one in a Japanese shard (I cannot find it now).

Because if you think that many people will stop to every "blank" Lot to see what jewels it could hide... well, sorry, but this is unrealistc (and plainly impossible for the Private houses).

If even a Deco buff as you cannot understand this...

As has already been said, nothing has been lost. The houses are still there, they just have to step onto the “porch” to see it, instead of taking advantage of a bug to force it into view. If the persons house is private, then they will have to decide if they really want the house to be seen. 

We are all repeating the same arguments over and over: IMO what have been lost are hours and hours of WORK and the "Gestalt" effect of multiple houses players's "villages".

Let's try a compromise, OK? I will stop to rattle my drum to have the BT reinstated, and you and your "fellows" will support a STRONG request to the Devs to introduce ASAP a "Preferences Toggle" to leave to the Players the choice if the custom Houses will autoload or not.

OK? Fair enough?

The toggles exist, you can walk in the house to see it, as long as the owner has toggled it to public. So nothing further is needed 

It is NOT the same thing as to have a general Toggle for EVERY house, Public or Private, and I presume that you understand it very well, so now it is definitively clear that you are in bad faith.

Fair enough and so long.

What I am saying is the toggle is not needed. But to your point if someone (like you, who is so dedicated to artistic freedom of expression)wants to submit it and the devs want to implement it I will be for it as long as the default is to not show the houses. 

That seems fair to me.

And we all lived happily ever after.

The end.

Tanager said:

Upcoming House Display Options

Posted on March 25, 2019 by UO Dev Team

3/25/2019

Greetings,

We would like to take a moment to address the recent change related to how items display in player housing. We appreciate the feedback that we have received from all stakeholders and would like to discuss some changes we are going to be implementing in our next publish, Forgotten Treasures,

• Auction safes will always load, just as mannequins and vendors do.
• A new client option will be available that will allow players the choice to load all public housing and see the contents.

Performance is always our priority, and this change was done to increase performance. We appreciate your feedback.

See you in Britannia,

UO Team

This would not resolve the private house artwork, but I can understand this restriction to the option setting. With the bamboo tile, players could choose exactly what items were displayed to the public within their private house.

Thank you, Dev team 🙂

Seems a fair enough compromise to me. Pity that nobody accepted my bet... 😂

Upcoming House Display Options

Posted on March 25, 2019 by UO Dev Team

3/25/2019

Greetings,

• Auction safes will always load, just as mannequins and vendors do.

UO Team

Someone please explain to me why mannequins need to be displayed to the world?  They are only used by the owner right?  You store and can change suits with them.

Again I ask?  Why do they need to always load?

I suspect it has to do with mannequins, stewards, hired house NPCs, Vendors, and veteran marble statues all sharing similar code for clothing and ''equiped'' items.

Auction safes are a big reason for lag, they shouldn't always load and like Kane said nether should mannequins.   If the team wanted to fix this problem correctly, they should fix the house customization menu.  Let people add granite to house sign as well as rubble pieces so through the menu it can be used.  Then it wont have to load everything individually and cause mass screen blockage from using CNTRL SHIFT.   I dislike bandaids to actual issues in the game, that's why everything stays broken for so long.  Where I work if you bandaid fix these things youd be fired in less then a month.  This is like putting duct tape on a leaking pipe in your house.  Unbelievable!!

The_Higgs_1 said:

Auction safes are a big reason for lag, they shouldn't always load and like Kane said nether should mannequins.   If the team wanted to fix this problem correctly, they should fix the house customization menu.  Let people add granite to house sign as well as rubble pieces so through the menu it can be used.  Then it wont have to load everything individually and cause mass screen blockage from using CNTRL SHIFT.   I dislike bandaids to actual issues in the game, that's why everything stays broken for so long.  Where I work if you bandaid fix these things youd be fired in less then a month.  This is like putting duct tape on a leaking pipe in your house.  Unbelievable!!

Bilbo said:

There are far more people defending this bug fix then there are people raging about it even in this thread.  I think it is pathetic that some people demand the right to infringe on others game play than RAGE when the DEVs say enough is enough.  The DEVs do not have to respond to any of this because their actions said more than enough and also the RAGERS need to understand that they do not own a darn thing in UO they are only renting the use of it, EA owns everything including all these eyesores.

Looks like you are wrong.  There will be an option to see ALL public house contents now.  And the rage was going to happen at the meet and greet tonight.  Hint of rage is all it took.

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

There are far more people defending this bug fix then there are people raging about it even in this thread.  I think it is pathetic that some people demand the right to infringe on others game play than RAGE when the DEVs say enough is enough.  The DEVs do not have to respond to any of this because their actions said more than enough and also the RAGERS need to understand that they do not own a darn thing in UO they are only renting the use of it, EA owns everything including all these eyesores.

Looks like you are wrong.  There will be an option to see ALL public house contents now.  And the rage was going to happen at the meet and greet tonight.  Hint of rage is all it took.

Lets only hope that this will not be done under the notorious Trademarked "Soon"... 😂

It will likely be done with the next publish at the end of quarter 2.  which should be sometime in June.

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

There are far more people defending this bug fix then there are people raging about it even in this thread.  I think it is pathetic that some people demand the right to infringe on others game play than RAGE when the DEVs say enough is enough.  The DEVs do not have to respond to any of this because their actions said more than enough and also the RAGERS need to understand that they do not own a darn thing in UO they are only renting the use of it, EA owns everything including all these eyesores.

Looks like you are wrong.  There will be an option to see ALL public house contents now.  And the rage was going to happen at the meet and greet tonight.  Hint of rage is all it took.

Lets only hope that this will not be done under the notorious Trademarked "Soon"... 😂

Right after the new and improved account management is released...

It says right there in the post "in our next publish. Forgotten Treasures."

Tanager said:

Upcoming House Display Options

Posted on March 25, 2019 by UO Dev Team

3/25/2019

Greetings,

We would like to take a moment to address the recent change related to how items display in player housing. We appreciate the feedback that we have received from all stakeholders and would like to discuss some changes we are going to be implementing in our next publish, Forgotten Treasures,

• Auction safes will always load, just as mannequins and vendors do.
• A new client option will be available that will allow players the choice to load all public housing and see the contents.

Performance is always our priority, and this change was done to increase performance. We appreciate your feedback.

See you in Britannia,

UO Team

IF only someone could of seen this coming. 

So they fix it so it can't be abused but allow the current abusers a free pass.

Bilbo said:

So they fix it so it can't be abused but allow the current abusers a free pass.

You and Mervyn like calling playing UO, Abuse or exploit.  Should we all just ban ourselves?

It involves a violation of the Terms of Service. cough cough 9.c cough cough. 

TimSt said:

It involves a violation of the Terms of Service. cough cough 9.c cough cough. 

Show me where using bamboo tiles are not allowed in the ToS.

How many were banned for this violation?

Excuse me but I would never blame a player for using an exploit, players just do what is better for them individually. I only ever blame the devs for not fixing them. 

I abuse auto pet log out as much as anyone else.

And for the record I liked Tenager’s suggestion of a client option to load, see original thread. A fair solution is a fair solution. Am I the only one who plays with with no agenda?

I just left a private conversation where 10+ people conspire to bombard Mesanna with emails about quitting, closing accounts, etc. No idea how I ended up there.

State of Ultima Online. Playing @Mesanna ;is the new endgame. And of course they will get their way, and make more players quit of the ridiculous lag. Back to square one.

But they ARE fixing the bamboo issue AND adding a client option so people don’t need to use bamboo. Both sides should be happy.

King_Greg said:

Tanager said:

Upcoming House Display Options

Posted on March 25, 2019 by UO Dev Team

3/25/2019

Greetings,

We would like to take a moment to address the recent change related to how items display in player housing. We appreciate the feedback that we have received from all stakeholders and would like to discuss some changes we are going to be implementing in our next publish, Forgotten Treasures,

• Auction safes will always load, just as mannequins and vendors do.
• A new client option will be available that will allow players the choice to load all public housing and see the contents.

Performance is always our priority, and this change was done to increase performance. We appreciate your feedback.

See you in Britannia,

UO Team

IF only someone could of seen this coming. 

If all goes according to plan and I am able to toggle massive house display on or off to help with the lag in problem areas then I will be happy. I will now consider this thread closed. Hope I am not stepping on any toes.@Rorschach @Mariah @JollyJade

Mervyn said:

*snip* Both sides should be happy.

Yeah, when has that ever happened . . .

JollyJade said:

I just left a private conversation where 10+ people conspire to bombard Mesanna with emails about quitting, closing accounts, etc. No idea how I ended up there.

State of Ultima Online. Playing @Mesanna ;is the new endgame. And of course they will get their way, and make more players quit of the ridiculous lag. Back to square one.

Superfrog said:

Mervyn said:

*snip* Both sides should be happy.

Yeah, when has that ever happened . . .

😂

Our Dev Team have worked hard on High Seas, with more to come, and I am really enjoying it. I was upset over the rough handling of the artsty folks, but they have listened and now I will focus on enjoying the game. The team works hard for UO, and certain aspects of last night's meet and greet did not sit well with me. If the Devs open a discussion thread, I will voice my opinion but which setting is default is not something I am going to fight for. 

Ivenor said:

JollyJade said:

I just left a private conversation where 10+ people conspire to bombard Mesanna with emails about quitting, closing accounts, etc. No idea how I ended up there.

State of Ultima Online. Playing @ Mesanna is the new endgame. And of course they will get their way, and make more players quit of the ridiculous lag. Back to square one.

"Conspire"?

Ah, are you maybe referring to the CLEARLY VISIBLE PLAYERS that yesterday were at the M&G on Cats, an M&G that saw the partecipation of MORE PLAYERS OF THE ONES ACTUALLY PLAYING NOWDAY ON THAT SHARD?

You have a really strange concept of what a "Conspiration" is, my friend... 😂

PS: I agree with @ Arron : this thread can be closed now, and the discussion adjourned to the next Publish.

@ Rorschach @ Mariah

I was referring to a group message thread here where people plotted to go to the M&G with as many accounts as possible and threaten the developers to mass quit. Call it what you want. It worked. No coincidence there were a lot of *accounts*

By popular request, thread closed