I would definitely support fixing the bamboo tiles to function like the other tile sets which require you to step on the house to load the contents.
Or just buy a computer made in the last 10 years.
Should check your system for packet loss.
We are aware of this issue and it will be resolved.
It's not just people with old computers and slow connections.
My computer is definitely not old and my connection speed is 105 MB/s.
Running around some of these monstrosities or through Luna has become ridiculous.
People who complain about a bug/exploit fix...
This about sums up uo players.
Please tell us why you’re cancelling your subscription:
”the exploit I was knowingly abusing with bamboo tiles to disrupt gameplay for fellow users was fixed, before bamboo tiles came along I adhered to normal housing rules and it wasn’t a problem, but now I’m no longer special”
For the majority of UOs existence you could not see inside a house unless you entered it.
Didn't need to be changed. I don't think it was intended to be changed. I'm happy it may get fixed.
Put everything on your steps... *shakes head*
I keep thinking how ugly everything is going to look. It would be a really sad day in UO history.
Everything inside a house naturally doesn't need to load. The outside/roof/yard is a totally different story. Yes I'm fired up lol
I dont like the way the Luna house items are in the sidewalks but just because I dont like something, the other players should be able to do what they want if it does not harm my play style.
Fix the problem in Enhanced client. There is not lag in CC.
Now if this were a dungeon or something I see a complaint. But housing areas are almost always 100% safe areas. Not going to get into the rare obscure Fel situation. Lagging a little in a 100% safe area really is not a big deal if one totally refuses to buy a computer. These people don't want to see the houses anyway. Just run on through lol. They're complaining about seeing the house they don't even wanna see in the first place. I've never been threatened by anything in a housing area. It's not worth trashing the game over. What next? People will be mad cause they can't play on their phones or tablets?
Exploit? Give me a break. First of all this goes WAY back. Do you really think they made 100s of tiles then suddenly just screwed up on some bamboo tiles? I don't think so. I wished they listened to EVERY player like those who have a complaint about having a custom castle plot as opposed to 3 or 4 people with complaints I personally find unjustified considering the number this would severely restrict. All the small shards are complaining about issues with sales so lets just make that situation REALLY bad. Why run around in circles trying to get a house to load you don't want to see anyway? That's just silly. Just move along lol
If bamboo tiles are changed, then all current craftable granite colors need to be added to the house design tool. All you will end up seeing is dirt plots because so many houses have their entire structure built from craftable granite right now.
It would probably kill the granite market, but its a needed change. I would love to see the colored granite added to the house design tool for the castle/keep design contest as well. It would allow for much broader designs since you could build shells that could have the interior customized with appropriately colored granite.
You should really get off the crappy or old computer issue as a reason for the lag. That isn't the reason for the lag. It's the loading of thousands of items that causes the lag. In your video it appeared all those houses were already cached. Maybe not, but when I run around the same Luna on Atlantic, each house loads and takes moments to do so.
My computer is six-core, 3.8 Gz, 125 watt TDP AMD and a HD6970 2GB graphics card. Internet is Comcast 105-115 MB/s. Nothing slow about my system or my internet service.
I currently play the CC because for some reason the EC doesn't like my HD6970. I lag around Luna, and houses full of these bamboo floor tiles and around castles & houses full of mannequins I lag extremely bad.
Anyone using bamboo floors are indeed exploiting the game mechanics. If it was normal then all floor tiles would be used. Its obviously being taken advantage of people knowingly. I don't even like the auction safe idea anyway, cause it just allows people to store stuff and never have it live to sell. Why not just raise cap price on vendors and due away with those stupid safes.
Lots of items and situations will still load. It's gonna look so cool to see crap just floating in the air all over the place. That's really going to look pro lol
Wow, awesome news. I'm pretty much avoiding certain areas nowadays since the lag has become so insane.
All that stuff should not load until you step into the house.
Castle and keep plots, no need to address that in any effective manner. We have no interest in being fair about that. Let's create some horrid ineffective system that no one wants. Major differences between the client functions, certainly no need to address that. Vendors on every shard except Atlantic are taking such a beating that it's basically a non-profit hobby. Let's not worry about that. Lets actually make it a far worse situation cause some folks don't like the auction safes people paid a ton of RL cash out for anyway. We got their money now, let's pull the rug out from under them. Huge problem with the shard shield situation, who cares? Oh 3 people are running XPs out there and have lag issues? Well lets just trash the game and cater to that handful. Completely ridiculous. It's a pattern of taking logic and just tossing it out the window.Videos don't lie. I got the video. What you wanna do come over to my house and watch me? lol The same people with complaints about this admit they can't handle crowds and EM events and all the rest. This is putting a cast on the arm that isn't broke situation. If something is going to be done. Thank about it. Test it. Honestly do it right. Don't just make another situation where you create 10 other problems I can easily see coming. What is going to be the compensation to those that have spent 1000s of hours building and decorating? Businesses ruined? 1000s of hours and dollars spent acquiring decoration and slaving over building houses? The fact the game is going to look horrible. 100s of hours acquiring granite and building up houses? What are we going to do to make that right? Most people aren't even going to see this coming and when they see 1000s of hours and dollars wasted I'm just going to sit back and eat popcorn that day. Custom castle and keep plots would go a long way to make this better. If they don't load till you step on them, that might be a fair compromise. But it seems UO loves to just burn people and burn the bridges behind them. At the very least there should be a way to return a lot of junk we got stuck with and get our money back. I got safes, ponds, all kinds of stuff I'd like to return thank you. A regular house might not be the biggest deal but vendoring in UO is gonna get hit heavily. The rares market and EM events that generate them are headed straight into the toilet. If your gonna do something just do it right and put some real thought into it this time.
Lucky your arguments are a joke.
I have the same problems in luna and I can assure you my gaming rig containing and overclocked ryzen 8 core processor and a gtx 1080 can handle every up to date game with full settings and 60fps
However my uo client lags like shit nearby such houses.
Also don't start me with my internet connection. Fiber. Several 100 MBit. Low latency and no loss.
I maybe better with CC but obviously CC is old crap from the beginning without any modern feature which should be finally trashed anyway.
go to fel yew on atlantic and run by jupiters house you will learn what lag is great pc or not
Perhaps just allow a setting so if people wish they may see only the foundations of houses?
As Smoot said. The problem built up over time
Now we reached a point where it's obviously too much. People complained and the devs obviously see it also as a problem.
They will address it in one or the other way.
Also its wrong that most people use CC.
I side again with Smoot. Vendors show.
Auctions safes should not have this "display option" but with on or off then no item.
Sometimes Iam amazed...
The lag will even get bigger soon when they implement the "new" vendors as the number of vendors most likely will go through the roof which makes the whole thing an ever worse idea. The more important points with vendors and safes get missed
Like removing the 175m limit. Adding safes to VS...
Walls of text in this thread of absolute garbage, no wonder the devs are too afraid to do anything when even fixing a small housing display exploit results in this feedback.
This thread is a prime example of why devs should not listen to a word the players say - about anything.
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Wonderful news. Can’t wait.
One statement I would like to toss in here...
If you are in that abomination known as Luna...EXPECT LAG. It's what Luna has been famous for since it was tossed out there. Going to Luna and pissin and moanin about lag is like going to the Doctor's office and bitcching cause there are sick people there.
Geeez, they gonna fix this and break 5 other things, leave it alone
If you want lag come to Pacific north of Trinsic and see the army. The owner proudly claims to have crashed Mesanna's computer.
Before anyone panics more could we wait to see what the "fix" is? I see this discussion to be like getting a call you doctor wants to see you and booking the funeral parlour.
Now my turn to rant.
Lag is unacceptable anywhere but thats no more possible the world peace.
Saying people have to up grade the equipment is like telling them to quit and we don't want new player unless they have lots of money. It also ignores the fact that not all places have gigabit internet.
The last being one of the reasons I point and laugh at PvPers. Fair fight my ass.
I love the people who say they will quit over knowingly and purposely using a exploit. I say good riddance, the game will be better without the exploiters. Its obvious this has been a issue since the creation of granite tiles, its way overdue to be fixed. I reported this on the bug forum like 9 months ago.
Denial is not a river in Egypt hunny.
I read the first full page or so of comments, skimmed the 2nd page, skipped the 3rd so please forgive me if what I am about to say was already said. Consider it an agreement, if so.
I have a decent PC, but I did not invest in a proper gaming video card. If I run up to the castle cluster north of Minoc, or near the Crossroads I can feel the lag. This has NOTHING to do with bamboo tiles, cuz those pre-made houses simply do not have them. I am not a programmer, I don't understand the code, but once I wait a moment for items to load, all is well so I am assuming it has something to do with the massive quantity of items inside the house even tho I cannot see them. The bamboo houses can cause lag, but they are only in major housing areas. For me, the bit of lag is very much worth the functionality of seeing which houses have auction safes, public services, and lovely deco.
Please do not remove the bamboo tile effect. Instead, give people an option setting to turn off the loading of houses that have not been entered, for those people who are simply not interested or have a machine that cannot handle it.
LOL mervyn...bless your heart.
I personally have no issues on the CC with this sort of thing. Maybe just add a toggle switch to the EC so players can choose to load items inside houses or not. Or figure out what's causing the freezing in the EC client itself when loading X# of items since it's a non issue in the CC.
Game going to be ugly as hell in some areas if you remove the function of the Bamboo Tiles as a solution to this.
This thread amuses me.
It also shines a glaring light on some bad player behaviors.
While I get why the bamboo floor has been used for its ability to circumvent anti-lag house loading restrictions, the quirk is a detriment to the game as a whole. The eyesores it forces everyone to see/load aren't...well...important. (consider the forced perspective crap "floating" over the Luna roads and the frame-dragging of the mini-singularity south of the city on Atl)
If you want to display your rares, by all means, do so...just don't do it in a manner where everyone has no choice but to load your 10,000 event rares when they pass by. Give players a reason to step onto your plot.
Reducing sources of lag/crashing is more important than propping up a handful of player's vanity.
Actually credit where credit is due, Bleak has recognised the bug. He could’ve just done what Kyronix has done in the past and call it a “feature” so no action would be required (phrase en point VvV epaulettes)
Before everyone gets too excited they really haven't said how they're going to approach this. Something to keep in mind. They may have an entirely different approach to this than throw a band-aid on a broken leg. I can't see them turning UO into a bland ghetto. I love seeing the players deco and rares and all that. Game would look pretty barren and bleak (no pun intended) without it. I'm not sure why... but I still have confidence in them being able to come up with a logical smart solution. Smartest thing I've seen so far is the option to load houses or not. That's the kind of intelligent thinking we need. That's why discussions are important. The whole stone crafting thing is completely unnecessary. Anyone can build a borg cube now if they wish and it's time to face reality and consider custom plots for castles. I have 100s of stone pieces and I hate it. The corners don't even line up, etc. Yeah there will be a couple of cubes, big deal. Most will take advantage of it and build some amazing places that will be an asset to the game and it's reputation. I have a place right by the Luna bank on Legends and I have a full set of dye tubs, free dyes, all the portals, a luck statue etc I've got set out in the front yard for new players. It's a free service to help out the news ones that may pass through. Or anyone that wants to use them. It would be a pity if no one knew they were there to be used. Does it really matter to me? Not really. If anything it cost me a few coins for dyes and buying extra items to put there. Like one set of tubs for the public and one set for my castle. It's just another example of what a shame it would be for people not to be able to find it or use it. New players often don't have a clue what's going on so making things as easy as possible for them to locate I feel is a plus.
Let us stay topical and not stray into divisive arenas that have nothing to do with the game that we play.
Whether the bamboo tiles were intentionally designed to show items without the need to step on the house or not, there has been a dramatic change in the game. Granite. Prior to granite the only real way to have a completely custom house from the ground up was with rubble. Sure lots of people used the bamboo, but most of their walls, stairs, etc. was still built with the housing tool. The relatively few full rubble designs were in places like Luna or Zento, which limited the negative impact. With granite, the availably to build like this has increased exponentially and expanded into places in the game were it is now interfering with game play, both in lag and the inability to see with the CoT.
Okay how about a code where 30 days after you place your castle becomes static? I've heard 3 or 4 good ideas where no one loses. Get rid of stone wall crafting all together. It doesn't work that well anyway and I got corner gaps to prove it. This issue is far more important than if I can put emblems on my ship sails or whatever they're up to.
Well ya know hardly anyone from the team ever comments here. They could have just let it slide by regardless of what was going on in the back ground at BS. But now Bleak was came out with a vague statement and it would be nice if he came back and shot a little smoke at the hornets nest and told us what's going on. Or discussed options. Something. This is a huge deal.
Great communication doesn't happen with BS...you know that
Passmark (google it) will test your system for a limited number of free evaluations. See how your computer rates in a modern world. Checks your processor, video card and all that. It will rate your puter compared to all the computers that have taken the test. Been around forever and a very reliable and trusted company. If your not in the green you can start figuring out what's wrong with your system. I check my computer stuff all the time. Been a few months and my nvidia card had new drivers. I checked over at Dell and my bios had an update from when Intel nuked everyone's processor performance over the Spectre and Meltdown exploits. My processor performance picked up like 20% (per Passmark). That's noticeable! Hate to throw salt on the wound but my UO experience is even better now. Check your systems people. I wonder how many of these computer issues are from a year or 2 ago when Intel nuked everyone's processors?
Just fix the exploit, its that simple. Its no different then the double boss exploit on the roof that was fixed or the vendor trick years back that was also fixed. A broken mechanic that is taken advantage of is a exploit.
Id also like to say nothing is a bigger eyesore then every granite house in the game, theyre all ugly. Id even delete goza mats too, none of it is good for the game and looks incredibly stupid. Nobody cares how many em items someone has collected, except other rares people. They can all move to one shard and play with each other. Most of those items were collected through a corrupt system anyway.
This subject has about become stale... time for a change of topic
How bout dem Cowboys? LMAO
I lag when I go to Luna. Who cares? nothing there to kill me, its a game so I'm not on a lifesaving mission...
Like people are always telling me ADAPT!
Looks like the Capt is going down with this ship, no matter how wrong he is!! 😂
Capt', you don't know much about coding. Sure cut & paste can be used for multiple exact lines of code. That doesn't mean a tiny mistake couldn't have been made and overlooked. It only takes an extra or a missing, comma, colon, parenthesis, zero or whatever, to screw up a line of code up. Coding while you're tired, nodding off a little and hit the backspace key, etc.
There could be many reasons why and how this tile acts differently from the rest. What is certain though is that NONE of the developers have EVER intended for the contents of a house to load and/or display UNLESS you walked onto the steps of the house. That much is clear. It's always been that way from a bandwidth performance perspective. So the bamboo tile obviously violates that premise.
Not many people used the bamboo tile in the past because, as you stated yourself, it's probably the ugliest floor tile there is. So people didn't use it. Regardless I'm sure some players still discovered it's unusual property of causing the contents of a house to display and word slowly spread. Then goza mats were introduced and you could use this ugly tile and simply cover it up with a goza mat. So then more players started using them and word continued to spread. Then in 2014 craftable granite was introduced for castles & keeps and people realized they could use the stone pavers to cover the ugly bamboo floor tiles and word spread. So here we are today with hundreds of houses per shard abusing this floor tile and the worst is where many houses are congregated together such as in Luna or other popular spots and it's affecting the gameplay of other players.
You are the only person saying its not a exploit of broken mechanics. The other 99.99% say its broken. How delusional can you be!?!
Well, I'm gonna let this one rest with this last post
You are wrong that the bamboo tile was created just for this purpose.
How do I know this? Two facts.
1. None of the other floor tiles cause the contents of the house to load.
2. Devs have never ever intended or wanted that the contents of a house were to load unless you went onto the steps. Basic bandwidth management.
Those two facts alone negate your argument entirely.
I don't see how because you bought a bunch of auction safes, not being able to see them when passing by, affects their usefulness. They work just the same. If anyone wants to see your 100 or however many auction safes then all they have to do is step onto your plot.
Exactly. This is an EC problem. They need to fix it in the EC.
Oh hell where is the popcorn...
This whole pc is bad talk is the weak argument of people who run out of proper arguments. Just ignore it.
I can't think of those tiles were in tented to do this as they are the only ones and as someone said in times of slow connection bandwidth management was a huge thing. Therefore I assume it was intended that content loads when stepping in the house.
I agree that simply removing bamboo floor is maybe not the best solution but we havent heard any details by the devs.
The problem is obviously less affecting CC and mostly EC so they need to look into.
And yes Lag in a game like uo is a not acceptable situation
Frankly I don't WANT to see all the crap in people's houses unless I enter them. So I am all for whatever changes the devs make, especially if it reduces lag.
I'm wondering if they changed something? UO was running amazingly for me last night. I mean I was really zooming. But I got that new Bios that *really* boosted my performance so I'm wondering if maybe that's what I'm seeing. There was that Spectre issue around May 2018 and the "fix" nuked Intel Processors performance about 25% or so. A lot of people weren't happy about that. My new Bios seems to have corrected that. So I wonder how many systems may have been effected by that. Might really do yourself a favor and check your computers website for updates and a new Bios. I'm not hammering anyone. Just saying a 25% performance boost is awesome for anyone.
Not gonna read all this, but how about a feature added to search/view the auction safes? Including the EJ auctionable safes if they pop up. This would allow people to freely travel to an auction block once they see the item. I would suggest no ability to bid on said items from the menu, this is not WOW. This way the safes are still viable and of interest and people can happily have their monstronsities really heavy decorated homes be seen by visitors who get to visit. 😂 😂 😂
If nothing else this has really sparked my interest in my computer. Bought a Digital Western "black" hard drive yesterday. Looking forward to putting that in today. It was 75 bucks at Best Buy and I thought that was a steal. My hard drive was always the weak part of my system. Wife was a little shocked that Best Buy is making a display area for the new line of video game cards. $1300... $2200... that seems expensive to me for a game card lol. Was going to get a good GTX 1060 for like $300. I thought that was a reasonable amount. Should be better than my old GTX 760. I'm going to be excited to see what kinda difference it makes in general. But $2200 for a video game card? I think someone has lost their mind lol I know they make high end stuff but for off the shelf at a regular store that seems a little crazy.
also forgot to mention, disabling some of those sounds and animations in settings really only has noticable effect when your around a bunch of other players. i slimmed down my settings mostly for EM events. still crash sometimes. its just UO.
haha, yes even if you cant hear it (i usually have sound off too :P)
Huh, will wonders never cease.
Ok it is posable to get a computer that won't run UO. But I still think most of the problems people are having (myself included) have little if anything to do with hardware. It could be tested but I don't think anyone actually cares that much. You could do some tests in UO then change graphics card and do the same tests.
But it wouldn't really change anything.
Will you guys stop talking about PC hardware like it's relevant? When you slow to a crawl in this game it's a client bottleneck, not your video card being too slow to draw enough 1990's sprites. UO ran better on my old XP desktop than it does on my new computer.
lol....no I correct that...at EM DROP events...worse at EM events but if I run around luna on ATL for longer then 5 minutes I start to lag and it gradually gets worse.
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