Pets with High Wrestling

Since I can't possibly afford a 120 wrestling scroll, I started looking at pet options that come with high wrestling skill to begin with.

GD's are obviously one option, but they can't be trained. So they are basically worthless.

I had high hopes for dimetrosaurs, but they lose half their skills once they are tamed. Also they come with garbage specials.

Lesser hiryus can, I think, end up with 107-108 wrestling. That's not really high enough to make a difference (and 110 wrestling scrolls are not prohibitively expensive anyway).

So are there any other pet options that end up with 115+ wrestling as a fresh tame?

Or is my best bet just to stick with a cu and use a 110 wrestling scroll?

Cold drakes can get tamed with good post 100 skillcaps.  Just ask someone to dig up a level 6 for you unless you have a treasure hunter yourself.

120 wrestling scrolls are not that expensive. 

If you're just coming back, they kinda are. There's a huge loss of perspective here by those who are rich and jaded. Comparing prices before and after this pet stuff, the prices of scrolls are a bit insane now.

I 120ed all my pets for free.

I came back 11-19-2017.

I have only bought one scroll 

Get out there and farm them.

Obuw said:

Since I can't possibly afford a 120 wrestling scroll, I started looking at pet options that come with high wrestling skill to begin with.

GD's are obviously one option, but they can't be trained. So they are basically worthless.

I had high hopes for dimetrosaurs, but they lose half their skills once they are tamed. Also they come with garbage specials.

Lesser hiryus can, I think, end up with 107-108 wrestling. That's not really high enough to make a difference (and 110 wrestling scrolls are not prohibitively expensive anyway).

So are there any other pet options that end up with 115+ wrestling as a fresh tame?

Or is my best bet just to stick with a cu and use a 110 wrestling scroll?

110s are fine on pets.  Need 120 for the magic to get full benefit.

Like someone said before all the off topic stuff.

Cold Drakes can have >115 wrestling and > 120 Tactics.  They have enough points to put AI and Chivalry on.  Best bet for cheap pet.  Find a T Hunter and help them with the pet you have and tame some Cold Drakes.

"Hey UO Community I need some advice on this specific thing"

UO Community (all Fel players btw):  Piss off nerd, do things exactly like me, and since you don't you need to get gud.

"Oh I just asked a simple question, thanks...."

You are hurting my brain Pinky.  But that is funny.  I'm sure that post will go Bye Bye.

He also likes attention so that just makes him worse.

30 mil is a ludicrous amount of money for someone just returning to uo, or starting on a new server.

Anyway, back to topic, I've been hearing good things about cold drakes, I was actually already planning to check them out. I do have a treasure hunter and dozens of T6 maps.

Do they keep their cold aura once tamed? Is it any good? Does it cost mana? I guess it makes them change targets constantly?

Any other alternative pets with high wrestling? In case I'd like some variety...

By the way, Pawain since you're already here (thanks for all your fantastic pet training posts by the way), is bushido any good on pets? I have lesser hiryu with bushido, he very rarely uses lightning strike, and does crap damage. Keeps using whirlwind on a single target. Even when fully surrounded, it never seems to hit more than 2-3 targets. Just seems like a waste of 500 points but maybe I'm missing something?

Edit: Could you also explain the "need 120 for magic to get full benefit" bit?

All the magics do more damage at 120.  Just like on Toons.  Bushido is good for defense.  WW is good.  But make an AI Chiv  and Mystic Lesser first.

Cold drakes do 50% cold damage. Thats why they are called Cold Drakes. They have dragon breath and no other natural ability.  Just AI and chiv makes a good one.  Cold Wind is not worth 100 points.

Make them lifelong friends.

Pawain said:

Bushido is good for defense.

I've read this before but never understood why? Does it give pets extra parry chance or something? How much of a difference does it really make anyway? Since for players it's only a 5% difference.

I already have a chiv cu, and a mystic cu. They are okay. For some reason EoO on pets only seems to make a minor difference. The damage doesn't even seem to noticeably change, while it should actually be a massive difference since pets don't have any other damage "modifier" 's. Haven't yet seen any boss where consecrate makes a difference either.

Pawain said:

All the magics do more damage at 120.  Just like on Toons.  

Increased magic skill does not have an effect on spell damage, on pets or players.

Obuw said:

Pawain said:

Bushido is good for defense.

I've read this before but never understood why? Does it give pets extra parry chance or something? How much of a difference does it really make anyway? Since for players it's only a 5% difference.

I am having trouble finding the formula, but I believe the difference is 20%. Moreover Bushido has Evasion spell which is pretty nice.

Mervyn said:

Pawain said:

All the magics do more damage at 120.  Just like on Toons.  

Increased magic skill does not have an effect on spell damage, on pets or players.

Ok, not directly but over time the fail rates and time increases, increase the damage the spells do. Or with Bushido the defense ability.  You can go check your pets on the drone.  But you have to have the skill at 120 and copy there to compare on a pet.

With pets there really is not a reason to go above 107 magery, 

Fat said:

With pets there really is not a reason to go above 107 magery, 

I have no mage pets. So I haven't tested magery. But a 120 is expensive so that would be nice to have 110 all that matters.  But you want the 120 Eval. And other support skill to magics.

You could actually argue it would be advantageous to keep magery at 100. Logic being that it would cast flamestrike less, as flamestrike costs twice the mana as energy bolt but does not deal as much as twice the damage.

maybe pets work different to players though, I’ve heard reports that pets cast word of death at very low spellweaving (less than the required amount of 83)

Well it seems to me like magery on pets is a huge waste of points anyway, so adding a huge waste of gold on top of that by adding 120 skill scrolls seems counterproductive. The pet would be much more effective just spamming armor ignores. Or maybe I haven't yet witnessed the power of a true magery pet.

Obuw said:

I already have a chiv cu, and a mystic cu. They are okay. For some reason EoO on pets only seems to make a minor difference. The damage doesn't even seem to noticeably change, while it should actually be a massive difference since pets don't have any other damage "modifier" 's. Haven't yet seen any boss where consecrate makes a difference either.

Level Chivalry above 40 skill.

It's at 100.

Pawain said:

All the magics do more damage at 120.  Just like on Toons.

PlayerSkillFTW said:

. EoO with GM Chiv increases damage by 64%. Con Wep with GM Chiv gives +5% Damage Modifier. EoO with 120 Chiv increases damage by 82%. Con Wep with 120 Chiv gives +15% Damage Modifier.

Forgot the damage increase of Divine Fury also.

Please enlighten me.  I could use those 20 points I have in magery that you say are not need ed and use them somewhere else on my toon.  Are you saying I will do the same damage over time with 100 Magery?   I guess those miscasts were my imagination.  What magery do you have on a mage toon?

Pawain said:

Are you saying I will do the same damage over time with 100 Magery?   I guess those miscasts were my imagination.  What magery do you have on a mage toon?

You need 106 Magery for 100% casting of 7th circle, 65% of casting 8th circle.
Higher magery will increase healing of from in vas mani.

K only has 106 magery.  

I was not disputing you.  But thanks.  So pet 110 magery is good.  Saves a lot of gold!

I do like my higher heals on my toon tho, Helps me, other players, and pet. One has 110 magery and the heals do make a difference.

Pawain said:

Please enlighten me.  I could use those 20 points I have in magery that you say are not need ed and use them somewhere else on my toon.  Are you saying I will do the same damage over time with 100 Magery?   I guess those miscasts were my imagination.  What magery do you have on a mage toon?

Obuw said:

Well it seems to me like magery on pets is a huge waste of points anyway, so adding a huge waste of gold on top of that by adding 120 skill scrolls seems counterproductive. The pet would be much more effective just spamming armor ignores. Or maybe I haven't yet witnessed the power of a true magery pet.

I did keep magery on one pet that came out OKeish simply because it did not have enough points for a replacement. Now, what would really be nice is if we were refunded points when one magic is being replaced by another. Apart from a reasonable way to do things, this will go a looong way in making the system less brutal on people new to the pet training system. So many people ruined good and sometimes irreplaceable pets because of this faulty mechanic.

I dont have any magery pets,but sounds like the expert advice is to go with 110 magery on pets since you cant add it later and it is cheap points and gold.  I like the G heals on my tamer.

Pawain said:

I dont have any magery pets,but sounds like the expert advice is to go with 110 magery on pets since you cant add it later and it is cheap points and gold.  I like the G heals on my tamer.

Yeah I don’t understand how pets can cast high skill required spells at low skill. But they definitely do.

I'm pretty sure pets don't have a fizzle % like players do.  When the PetAI decides to cast a spell, it has a 100% chance to cast.  Someone once told me that the PetAI takes the skill level into account when deciding what spells to cast.  So Flamestrike for example.  If your pet at 106 magery it will cast "maximum" flamestrikes.  Having 120 magery will not increase the number of flamestrikes it casts because its already at 100% on the AI's spell list.  However if your pet only has 90 Magery (a player would have a 60% success chance), it translates to casting 40% less Flamestrikes.   So the PetAI decides it is time to cast a spell it rolls off its spell table.   The weight of flamestrike is 60% in that table... meaning 40% of the time it would have cast flamestrike, it casts something else. 

I have no idea if that claim is true.   Just something some random person told me while we were training at shadow elementals.