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Update list of Items with Stealing skill on ?

Started by popps · 2025-10-24 · 38 posts · General Discussions
popps 2025-10-21 12:31 #0

I am trying to make a template for the Hidden Chests with the new Event but, with the various skills necessary I am tight with skill points so, I need to keep the stealing skill at the lowest so as, in those rare cases when a rare stealable will spawn, I will swap to a stealing suit so as to steal the item.

Therefore, I need to keep the stealing points the lowest possible and use as much items with stealing skill points on as possible.

But I am having a hard time to find an updated list of all the wearable items that I can possibly use so to limit as much as possible the amount of skill points to have to train up. Goal is to have 120 Stealing.

I also have a question about Stealthing... as long as I have 100.0 Hiding, if I cannot have 120.0 Stealth but less (how much less depends on how much Stealing I got to have trained), even below 100.0, the result will be that I will be able to walk less in between skill checks but, with 100.0 Hiding, the more numerous skill checks "should" be succesful ? Sure, I am taking into account that I will be revealed, but I am just trying to figure out whether having less then 120.0 Stealth will result in a nightmare dungeon stealthing becoming visible left and right or whether, with Stealth even below 100.0 (but having Hiding at 100.0) I can still have a decent hiding/stealthing walking.

Ideally I would love to have 50.0 Ninjitsu to use smoke bombs but, I do not think I can fit it with the template... not if I want to try to have as much Luck items as possible... I wished there were Luck items with Ninjitsu skill points on...

Thanks for the kind help !!
Mariah 2025-10-21 14:24 #1
Shadow Dancer's Leggings https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/items/artifact-collections/artifacts-doom-gauntlet/



popps 2025-10-21 15:08 #2
Mariah said:

Thank you.

The Talisman of the Fey says "requires Ninjitsu -40".

Does this mean that, if one does not have 40 Ninjitsu they cannot wear it for the +10 Stealing or, is that 40 Ninjitsu specified for the Ferret form but the +10 Stealing is always given even if one does not have 40 Ninjitsu ?

As in regards the other 4 items, I understand that the Stealing points they have are 

+20 Shadeweaver's embrace
+10 Mark of Travesty
+10 Burglar's Bandana
+20 Shadow Dancer's Leggings

That comes up a total of 60 Stealing points. Is that it ? There is no other item (aside from jewellery) that can have Stealing skill points on ?

Do you have an answer for my question about Stealthing with 100.0 Hiding but lower Stealthing (likely below 100.0) ?

Thank you for the help !
Urge 2025-10-21 15:50 #3
From a thief of over 20 years, you're overthinking whatever kind of temp you're contemplating. 

Mark of trav is over 20mil while a burglar bandana is under 5. Assuming you're trying to make a hpr suit i don't think the 3hpr is worth the extra gold.

I've never had more than 100 stealth WITH items except for a pvp deathstrike ninja. 
-shadowdancer +20
-Shadeweaver +20
-bandana +10
-Cloak of silence +10
= you only need 40 real stealth to have 100

Skip the luck and go with your temp. 


Urge 2025-10-21 15:55 #4
To answer your other question, you have to animal form into the ferret for the +10 stealing so yes you'll need ninja. 
popps 2025-10-21 16:18 #5
Urge said:
To answer your other question, you have to animal form into the ferret for the +10 stealing so yes you'll need ninja. 

Need 40 ninja just to turn into a Ferret or to actually be able to wear the Talisman in the first place even if I do not want to turn into a Ferret ?

All that I am interested is the +10 points of Stealing from the Talisman... do not care about turning into a Ferret
Urge 2025-10-21 17:25 #6
You only get 10 stealing once you form into a ferret. Has nothing to do with just wearing. 
popps 2025-10-21 17:27 #7
Mariah said:

not sure why I got it wrong but, when I double clicked an Heritage Token I got this screen



Which mentions the +10 Stealing skill yet, when I then claimed it, I got this


Which does not mention the +10 Stealing.

What gives ?

By the way, I do have Mondain's Legacy.

Upon reading here https://www.uoguide.com/Ninjitsu I read this
Ferret / 40 / Transforms you into a Ferret and gives +10 to Stealing skill.
As I understand it, a talisman would not be needed at all, just using the Ninjitsu skill to turn into a Ferret (if one has 40 Ninjitsu) should give the +10 stealing skill with the form...

Or am I reading it all wrong and I actually need to equip the Talisman in order to get the additional +10 Stealing skill points (assumed that I can get 40 Ninjitsu skill points on the "stealing 2nd suit " ?).

Additionally, can a Ferret Hide and Stealth ?

My idea is, when I find a stealable in a hidden chest, to swap suits, take off the Luck suit and get on the one with stealing +skill items, turning also into a ferret (for the additional +10 stealing skill points to reach 120.0 stealing), steal the stealable which would reveal me, use a smoke bomb and hide and stealth away. Should I fail the steal, I would still use a smoke bomb to hide and then try again.

Question is, would this be possible in a Ferret form ?
Urge 2025-10-21 18:04 #8
Ok maybe I'm not making sense or you're just not listening idk.


 Equipping the talisman does nothing but unlock ferret form in the animal form menu when it's only equipped. You then need to animal form into the ferret to get the +10 stealing. 

Yes you can hide/stealth and steal in ferret form. 

You can also use a cu talisman and heal yourself with zero healing while hidden. 
Pawain 2025-10-21 18:47 #9
He wants things to work the way he wants them to, it makes no difference in what game mechanics are to him.
KroDuK 2025-10-21 19:09 #10
85 stealth for most of the PvE content on a thief, I could loop shadow jump.. You just need to avoid a few select mobs (do not stand to close)

You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

Edit: re-reading the OP. 120 stealth for PvE content is only QoL (for noobs). with 85 stealth in leather you can stealth at 100%.. certain mobs will just reveal you easier, just stay away.. lower stealth keeps your reflex sharp and u can do a stronger PvE template.
Mariah 2025-10-21 19:45 #11
Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
  • Rabbit or Rat
  • Cat or Dog
  • Giant Serpent
  • Bullfrog
  • Ostard or Llama
  • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
  • Unicorn
  • Ki-Rin
Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

KroDuK 2025-10-21 19:46 #12
@Mariah How much stealth on that template of urs?  :*
Mariah 2025-10-21 19:54 #13
Real skill
Detect hidden 100/100
Hiding 100/100
Lockpicking 100/100
Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
Stealing 120/120
Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 
popps 2025-10-21 20:27 #14
KroDuK said:
85 stealth for most of the PvE content on a thief, I could loop shadow jump.. You just need to avoid a few select mobs (do not stand to close)

You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

Edit: re-reading the OP. 120 stealth for PvE content is only QoL (for noobs). with 85 stealth in leather you can stealth at 100%.. certain mobs will just reveal you easier, just stay away.. lower stealth keeps your reflex sharp and u can do a stronger PvE template.

You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

To my understanding, those 2 items (shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring) add each +10 Ninjitsu for a total of 20 Ninjitsu.

I don't understand when you mention them adding up to +45 Ninjitsu... can you please explain it a bit more ?

Also, my 1st Priority is gathering items with Stealing skill points as I need to reach 120.0 stealing but am short of skill points with a "skills tight" template so I need to use that Ferret Talisman that brings the +10 Stealing for the stealing suit to swap with the Luck suit.
KroDuK 2025-10-21 20:43 #15
Mariah said:
Real skill
Detect hidden 100/100
Hiding 100/100
Lockpicking 100/100
Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
Stealing 120/120
Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 
Not bad, Stealing do not depend on items.. I was expecting an elf imber build. gg ^^
Personally I love me some ninjitsu on a PvE thief, for QoL and enjoyment.


popps said:
Also, my 1st Priority is gathering items with Stealing skill points as I need to reach 120.0 stealing but am short of skill points with a "skills tight" template so I need to use that Ferret Talisman that brings the +10 Stealing for the stealing suit to swap with the Luck suit.
That tunnel vision of urs.. I won't even take the time to explain why focusing ONLY on getting more STEALING from items is dumb here.. Just think about it.


popps said:
To my understanding, those 2 items (shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring) add each +10 Ninjitsu for a total of 20 Ninjitsu.

I don't understand when you mention them adding up to +45 Ninjitsu... can you please explain it a bit more ?
Assuming you have 100 stealth.. these two items add +20 ninja and +10 stealth. (we don't want 110 stealth, so u can remove 10 points of stealth 90 "real" stealth for GM stealth)

Those 10 Stealth points can now be added to +10 ninjitsu for a total of 30.

NOW.. assuming u wanna optimise.. all u really want is 85 stealth for PvE (with leather items + a burglar cap) so u can remove 15 extra stealth to be 75 real stealth (85 with the talisman) and add those 15 points to ninja for a total of 45.
You have more items like that like a +10 stealth robe.. u could drop even more your real stealth for more skill like STEALING or 5 point in ninjitsu. (small hint here; to help u understand the previous tunnel vision point)


Edit: if u want a LUCK thief for this event.. take a look at Mariah build.. a solid start for you. She can wear all the luck she wants.
You just need to start training stealing asap.. took me ~2weeks leveling it from 50 to ~113.2. (with no pink nor blue scrolls)
KroDuK 2025-10-21 21:21 #16
@popps look at this video.. sorry for the poop video.. I hvn't touch UO in a while.. I want to show u with 85 stealth I'm always stealth.. let's just say u don't hang very long next to a greater dragon with 85 stealth tho.

PS: I have remove the shadow tali to be 85 stealth.. when I stopped I was still working on the thief and just gotten this tali from the heretic event, before I stop cuz of the horrible gaming condition during those events.
Also, I do not have any macro set up on this laptop for UO.



PS: I even use a metal gorget. (mage one tho)
Grimbeard 2025-10-21 22:11 #17
With my suit I have 
Real skill 
Hiding 95
Stealing 70
Stealth 35
Detect hidden 100
Lock picking 100
Remove Trap 100
Magery 100
Resisting spell 120

Modified skill
Hiding 100
Stealing 120
Stealth 120
Detect 100
Lp 100
Remove 100
Magery 100 
Resisting spell 120
100 lrc 
1205 luck without statue 
2155 with statue 
KroDuK 2025-10-21 22:39 #18
@Grimbeard last time you were giving bad info then you said u retired your thief years ago..
That he was now a fisher.  :/

I demand in game screenshot.  :*
Urge 2025-10-21 22:44 #19
Are the chests spawning in non active dungeons?
Grimbeard 2025-10-21 22:45 #20
My thief very different have you ever stolen a ps out of another players backpack?  Nothing beats that thrill but that was another time..
KroDuK 2025-10-21 23:01 #21
After giving a bad info, (you need to join the guild to steal from your own llama) you said the following, when I ask for proof of it's existence:



Now u pretty much doing the same thing.
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/16077/stealing

And yes.. I did stole PS back then.. as soon SamuraiEmpire launch and faction PvP was dying.. I did a ninja PvP with my PvP thief.
We talking about PvE thief here.
Grimbeard 2025-10-21 23:32 #22
KroDuK said:
After giving a bad info, (you need to join the guild to steal from your own llama) you said the following, when I ask for proof of it's existence:



Now u pretty much doing the same thing.
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/16077/stealing

And yes.. I did stole PS back then.. as soon SamuraiEmpire launch and faction PvP was dying.. I did a ninja PvP with my PvP thief.
We talking about PvE thief here.
What exactly am I supposed to prove to you?  
KroDuK 2025-10-21 23:51 #23
Realise this is a PvE thief topic, for the event..

On a sidenote..
I'm still demanding a proof of it's existence.. since your comment bring nothing to the table.. u came here just to flex a PvP thief template.. Base on the bad info u gave last April, I suspected even the PvE version did not exist. Wich u admitted neither exist anymore.. fisher now.
Grimbeard 2025-10-22 00:10 #24
More BS babble what is it I need to prove to you? 
KroDuK 2025-10-22 00:30 #25
Don't worry, just pull up your pants.   😂
popps 2025-10-22 06:04 #26
Mariah said:
Real skill
Detect hidden 100/100
Hiding 100/100
Lockpicking 100/100
Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
Stealing 120/120
Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 

Are you wearing any Luck with your Template and, if so, how much Luck (without the Statue...) ?
Also, did you find any advantage from wearing the Luck you have in getting better loot from the hidden chests as well as more chances to get stealable rares ? Like, for example, on average of course, how many hidden chests you need to get through in order to finally find a stealable ?

Thank you !!
Mariah 2025-10-22 10:18 #27
I'll let you know when I find one.
Luck 2275 without the statue
Lucky charm
Mark of Wildfire 
Elegant collar of fortune
Defiler's grasp
Bleue jewelry set
Armor of Fortune
Crafted sleeves - 190
Crafted legs 160
Crafted gloves 150

None of these items were bought from vendors, unless you count the jewels that I 'bought' with clean up points. 
popps 2025-10-23 18:51 #28
Mariah said:

I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?


Urge 2025-10-23 18:56 #29
Urge said:
Ok maybe I'm not making sense or you're just not listening idk.


 Equipping the talisman does nothing but unlock ferret form in the animal form menu when it's only equipped. You then need to animal form into the ferret to get the +10 stealing. 

Yes you can hide/stealth and steal in ferret form. 

You can also use a cu talisman and heal yourself with zero healing while hidden. 

^^^ already answered this days ago. 
Mariah 2025-10-23 19:40 #30

popps said:
@ Mariah

I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?



To repeat my earlier information:
Mariah said:
Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
  • Rabbit or Rat
  • Cat or Dog
  • Giant Serpent
  • Bullfrog
  • Ostard or Llama
  • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
  • Unicorn
  • Ki-Rin
Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

If you don't equip the talisman, ferret is not one of the choices when you cast the spell!

Pawain 2025-10-23 21:21 #31
He wants 10 from the tali and 10 from the form.  It does not matter what the mechanics are. He wants what he wants.
vortex 2025-10-23 21:33 #32
Mariah said:

popps said:
@ Mariah

I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?



To repeat my earlier information:
Mariah said:
Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
  • Rabbit or Rat
  • Cat or Dog
  • Giant Serpent
  • Bullfrog
  • Ostard or Llama
  • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
  • Unicorn
  • Ki-Rin
Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

If you don't equip the talisman, ferret is not one of the choices when you cast the spell!


popps 2025-10-23 22:08 #33
Mariah said:

popps said:
@ Mariah

I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?



To repeat my earlier information:
Mariah said:
Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
  • Rabbit or Rat
  • Cat or Dog
  • Giant Serpent
  • Bullfrog
  • Ostard or Llama
  • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
  • Unicorn
  • Ki-Rin
Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

If you don't equip the talisman, ferret is not one of the choices when you cast the spell!

If you don't equip the talisman, ferret is not one of the choices when you cast the spell!
Well, I had no idea of that !!

I thouht that equipping the Ferret Talisman of the Fey was "in alternative" to casting the Animal Form spell !!

That is, that merely equipping the Talisman would have turned the character into a Ferret skipping the necessity to cast the Animal Form Ninjitsu spell, altougether !!

Nowhere I read that equipping the Ferret Talisman of the Fey actually "added" the Ferret form option to the list of the available Animal Forms which, without wearing the Talisman, would not be present...

Yes, I had not checked that spell to see whether the Ferret Form was within the options or not while not wearing the Ferret Talisman of the Fey...

Pawain 2025-10-23 22:35 #34
There is no costume talisman...  the others are the same. You have to cast.


KroDuK 2025-10-23 22:56 #35
Why y'all ignoring my boy Urge?  *smirk*
Urge 2025-10-24 07:56 #36
KroDuK 2025-10-24 08:14 #37

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