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How do you organize your BOD books?

Started by Rock · 2018-06-19 · 44 posts · General Discussions
#0
I started working BODs about a week ago.  My scribe can make BOD books easily enough, but I am wondering how experienced BODders organize their books.  I'll tell you my strategy so that you can critique it and offer alternatives.

Thus far they are broken down by profession, then, in the majority of cases, I further break them down by quantity. Inscription, Alchemy, and Cooking do not need different sets of ingredients (such as colored ore or wood), and very few if any Inscription and Alchemy items can be made exceptionally.  Thus they currently have one book each.  Bowcraft includes alternative materials of both normal and exceptional quality but compared to other professions has a relatively low item count.  Thus I am currently only using one book for it too.  It won't surprise me if I eventually need multiple book classes for Bowcraft, though.

Blacksmithing, Carpentry, Tailoring, and Tinkering all have four books each.  One for Large BODs of any quantity, then separate books for 20-, 15-, and 10-count deeds.  My plan (which I am already behind on) is to make the BODs as I go, keeping track of which small BODs may eventually end up as part of a large BOD.  If not, it gets turned in and a new BOD takes its place.

Please critique my approach and offer your strategy if different than mine.  Thank you.
#1
Tailor and Smith BODs are all sorted by reward, type of iron/leather, group (plate/chain/etc, male/female/etc)  I sort them out as much as I can.  I also have Bribe up books.  All this is stored on 76 bod vendors LOL

The only thing I have to say is do what is easiest for you to keep track of your BODs.
#2
I bribe up all cooking, alchemy, and  inscription BODs that make larges.When I get a large I bride it up and make it.  

Smithing I keeps the ones that make armor larges and drop weapons.  Also bribe those up to make as I need.  I use shields for PoF.

Tailor I only keep the leather that make larges and bribe them up as I get the large.

I only need one book for each.  No need to collect BODS for eternity.
#3
As the books have filters for Large/small , skill material type and numbers, that work well.
 Its best for me to sort after other things. Smith after reward type . I use 1 vendor for pof bods and one book for each colour on it. 1 vendor for hammer rewards  but no armor bods that go into larges that i want to fill. ..The keepers for large armor bods are sorthed after armor type. One book for bods i want to bribe if i need them.  All others are easier.
Tailor larges  after rewards, and different material types for all small. All others i have after reward type, no matter if small or large. 
Filled bods not claimed yet ..saves space.. i dont keep on vendors as it happened I didnt get the security settings right and there are people checking bod storage vendors that gladly pick up such book..House being set private doesnt help there. 
I manage on 47 vendors . All  dress coded  in clothes with material colours or just the colour of the bod for newer skills.  
#4
I like to let them build up for a while and then fill them on a rainy day. For me, I am fine with using the BOD book's built in filters for size, quantity, and material. Most are going to get bribed up anyway. Instead, I separate them by the BOD itself. When I am ready to fill a large, I can pull out the BOD book that has that type of small and find it easier. Junk BODs are ones destined to be filled and traded in for, hopefully, better BODs.

Tailor for example has 1) cloth/shoes, 2) leather/female, and 3) bone/studded. There are no ''junk'' bods for tailor, as every single possible small BOD can be paired with a large.

Blacksmithing has 1) Weapons (strictly for Artisan Festival bank points, as any reward that can be claimed by these larges can be done easier and cheaper with a colored small), 2) Chain/Ring/Plate 3) Junk and smalls that I can bribe up for fort powder and low end runics.

Alchemy has 1) Lesser/Regular/Greater, 2) Explosion/Poison, and 3) Junk.

Tinker has 1) Jewelry, 2) Dining/Tools/Key, 3) Junk and certain colored smalls that can be bribed up for the fort keg.

Etc.

For me, I don't put unfilled larges in books. I set them next to the book with their matching smalls, and when a few larges have accumulated, then I start digging thru the BOD books to fill at least one or two of them. If larges start to pile up without enough smalls to fill them, then I spend an afternoon filling junk smalls to trade in. (In the case of tailor, this means cloth smalls that cannot reward CBD.) I also start filling non-junk small BODs like lesser heal that have way more smalls than I will ever have enough larges for.

For storage reasons, I keep filled large bods in a book rather than claiming the item. When I need a certain reward, I flip through the BODs that are ready for redemption first by using the book's filters for skill, then look in the unfilled books.

I am a casual crafter with just one char on Siege collecting BODs (when I remember), and I do not sell rewards. So, this is what works for me.
#5
Thanks, everyone.  All four of you have mentioned bribing, which I have yet to do.  I knew about it but didn't realize bribing was so normative.  Looks like I need to get on that.
#6
I never bribe...waste of gold in my opinion...I have tried a few times...mainly for the Artisan Festival and it was a complete waste of time and gold as I never got the BOD's bribed up to what I needed...they either went up to a higher count or a totally different material..like say I needed a 10 count exp something so I got a 10 count normal and it would jump to 15 normal...another 10 count normal would go 10 count but of the next higher material...very annoying.

Tailoring gets sorted by Large BODs, 10,15,20 count Cloth, leather, Spined, Horned, Barbed smalls...(yes that's a lot of BOD books) and then one for just footwear...I don't know HOW many larges I have that the only small I need is the footwear and I never get it :/

Smith is sorted only by Large and Small, 10,15 and 20 Normal and Exp as there are WAY too many different ores to sort them that way...ALL of my iron BOD's are separate, everything else gets thrown together and I use the books sort feature.

I don't do much of the others...I do have one book each for the other crafts though.
#7
Larisa said:
I never bribe...waste of gold in my opinion...I have tried a few times...mainly for the Artisan Festival and it was a complete waste of time and gold as I never got the BOD's bribed up to what I needed...they either went up to a higher count or a totally different material..like say I needed a 10 count exp something so I got a 10 count normal and it would jump to 15 normal...another 10 count normal would go 10 count but of the next higher material...very annoying.

Tailoring gets sorted by Large BODs, 10,15,20 count Cloth, leather, Spined, Horned, Barbed smalls...(yes that's a lot of BOD books) and then one for just footwear...I don't know HOW many larges I have that the only small I need is the footwear and I never get it :/

Smith is sorted only by Large and Small, 10,15 and 20 Normal and Exp as there are WAY too many different ores to sort them that way...ALL of my iron BOD's are separate, everything else gets thrown together and I use the books sort feature.

I don't do much of the others...I do have one book each for the other crafts though.
Thats why you bribe everything to max and get the highest reward for that large BOD.  Costs a lot but you can make more by selling the reward.

I have no idea why people save so many BODs for eternity.  
#8
Problem is I don't get very many large bods...and I won't waste time and material filling junk smalls to turn in for the small chance at getting a large...UO's RNG hates me :/
#9
Larisa said:
I never bribe...waste of gold in my opinion...I have tried a few times...mainly for the Artisan Festival and it was a complete waste of time and gold as I never got the BOD's bribed up to what I needed...they either went up to a higher count or a totally different material..like say I needed a 10 count exp something so I got a 10 count normal and it would jump to 15 normal...another 10 count normal would go 10 count but of the next higher material...very annoying.

Tailoring gets sorted by Large BODs, 10,15,20 count Cloth, leather, Spined, Horned, Barbed smalls...(yes that's a lot of BOD books) and then one for just footwear...I don't know HOW many larges I have that the only small I need is the footwear and I never get it :/

Smith is sorted only by Large and Small, 10,15 and 20 Normal and Exp as there are WAY too many different ores to sort them that way...ALL of my iron BOD's are separate, everything else gets thrown together and I use the books sort feature.

I don't do much of the others...I do have one book each for the other crafts though.
If you were trying to get a 10N to got to a 10X with the bribe system it only happens once in a blue moon.  You totally misunderstood what the bribe system is about.  Also if you are filling every LBOD without bribing them up to useful rewards then you are just wasting your time and resources.
#10
I put all of my BODs in skill specific books and then keep track of which BODs I have in Microsoft Excel. 
#11
I have a BOD reward vendor and use some rewards myself as well. Without bribing I doubt this would be possible even. And there are NPCs that charge very little most of the time so recall around and check other towns if you think its expensive,. 
#12
Without the bribe system, a huge stockpile of BODs needs to be horded so that different sizes of smalls can eventually match larges. This is how it was done for many years, people are used to it, and see bribing as a waste of gold since they never "needed" it before to get BOD rewards, and still do not.

That method, while effective, sacrifices efficiency. You are spending less gold because you are not bribing, but you are making less gold because you are selling a 110 PS claimed with a normal 10ct 6pt plain leather LBOD that could have been used to claim a barbed kit. The value of the BOD reward outweighs the overhead expense of bribing (if you do it right).

On Siege, bribing costs the same as other shards, but gold is much more valuable. The profit margin can be very slim, so the best method is a mixture of old school and bribing. As for trading in junk BODs for a roll of the RNG, that has to be done wisely as well.
#13
TimSt said:
I put all of my BODs in skill specific books and then keep track of which BODs I have in Microsoft Excel. 
And this is why I am giving all of my BOD's away....I play a game...games are supposed to be fun....if I need an excel spreadsheet to play a game, it's not fun anymore :/


#14
Larisa said:
TimSt said:
I put all of my BODs in skill specific books and then keep track of which BODs I have in Microsoft Excel. 
And this is why I am giving all of my BOD's away....I play a game...games are supposed to be fun....if I need an excel spreadsheet to play a game, it's not fun anymore :/



A spreadsheet would not be needed if they just made the BOD book sortable. My preferred sort order is item name, quality, material, and amount.
#15
Pawain said:

I have no idea why people save so many BODs for eternity.  
Next time on UO Hoarders  . . .


 😂 
#16
Larisa said:
TimSt said:
I put all of my BODs in skill specific books and then keep track of which BODs I have in Microsoft Excel. 
And this is why I am giving all of my BOD's away....I play a game...games are supposed to be fun....if I need an excel spreadsheet to play a game, it's not fun anymore :/



Naw, Bribing them up and getting the good rewards is fun. No spreadsheet required.   That's why all the rune libraries have Runes to all the Shops around the world.  You never wondered why players needed runes to all the shops?
#17
I would rather spend less gold buying the rewards then bribing up a million bods to get one of my own thanks 🙂
#18
psst  Cooking and alchemy BODs.  

dont tell anyone.  Cheap and the dyes sell fast.
#19
Cooking BOD's are horrid....there are certain things that I can do over and over and over...like Andro's...spawns...shadowguard...I can chain spawns all day long..if I have my guildies on we could chain shadowguard all day long....filling BOD's?? Not so much...I used to like filling BOD's...but with Bribing and all the changes I don't care for it so much anymore...I was so proud the day I made my first platemail gorget with my name on it...GM smithing OMG what an accomplishment that was! I had fun with it then...now? Meh....I'd rather spend my time doing things I enjoy.
#20
I've finally gotten around to some bribing, and all-in-all I think it is a useful addition to the game.  Bribes ranged from 0 gold (usually a simple quantity increase) to 3600 gold (changing 15 shadow iron helmets to copper - for that price I was expecting an upgrade to LBOD, but maybe Luna is an expensive place to do bribing).  Besides the 3600, the highest bribe asked was 400 gold.  100 to 400 seemed to be the normal range for bringing a BOD to exceptional, although I think a couple times it upgraded the material instead.  I really wanted one BOD to go exceptional, but after two material increases, I figured it might not happen.

My first bribes were kind of funny.  My carpenter/bowyer/lumberjack was in Skara Brae for Bowcraft BODs.  His first 3 BODs were for kindling and two shafts.  I raised all 3 of them to quantity 20, which I don't think cost any gold.  Then he went outside, armed his skinning knife and filled the kindling BOD.  Then he armed an axe and got some lumber to make shafts.  He filled and turned in all 3 BODs, and the next set included two more shaft BODs.  Upgraded them to 20 and went out and logged some more, and made the shafts. He turned in those and got two exceptional bow (of some sort) BODs.  I banked 5 full points from those BODs.  It doesn't sound like much, but I'm sure when a large BOD falls just short of the reward I needed, the banked points will be much appreciated.  Anyway, it was a very quick and positive experience, so as my other guys got their BODs, they bribed some also.
#21
The bribe prices are the same everywhere.  But you reach a point where they are much more expensive than 3600.  Bribe your highest level smith and tailor bods.  Taking a small 10 iron plate to 20 exc valorite is not cheap.
#22
Pawain said:
The bribe prices are the same everywhere.  But you reach a point where they are much more expensive than 3600.  Bribe your highest level smith and tailor bods.  Taking a small 10 iron plate to 20 exc valorite is not cheap.
Bribe prices are not the same everywhere.  Even in the same shop prices can be different depending on how many time they have been used.  Prices are also different between towns again depending on usage and they are defiantly different between Tram and Fel
#23
Are you sure.  They always start low or 0 on a fresh one.  Then go up as you do it.

How can you test this?

Also I have done diff ones on same guy.  The fresher one is low or zero after an expensive one.
#24
yes they all start at zero but it also depends on what you are bribing and how much that NPC was used.  If you have 3 NPCs in the same shop and use one the other two do not go up they are all separate.
#25
Sounds good.  Dont use my method.

I grab a large leather or metal and the smalls then go out and use an NPC until they quit bribing it up.  Then go to the next one and bribe the same one up until he stops.

I should split the BODs between NPCs to save gold. Corect?

#26
I have rune books (Tram/Fel) to all the shops and I rotate between them all.  I also set a limit on the amount I will spend on bribing depending on the BOD.  I have seen where people have used a NPC so much that just to bribe a 20X iron to a 20X dull for PoF is 60K, recall to another shop and it is 5K
#27
Bilbo said:
I have rune books (Tram/Fel) to all the shops and I rotate between them all.  I also set a limit on the amount I will spend on bribing depending on the BOD.  I have seen where people have used a NPC so much that just to bribe a 20X iron to a 20X dull for PoF is 60K, recall to another shop and it is 5K
Yep I always shop around when bribing. But then I am a cheap $&@“/%#
#28
Bilbo said:
I have rune books (Tram/Fel) to all the shops and I rotate between them all.  I also set a limit on the amount I will spend on bribing depending on the BOD.  I have seen where people have used a NPC so much that just to bribe a 20X iron to a 20X dull for PoF is 60K, recall to another shop and it is 5K
Yep I always shop around when bribing. But then I am a cheap $&@ “/%#
I call that smart.
#29
Larisa said:
and then one for just footwear...I don't know HOW many larges I have that the only small I need is the footwear and I never get it :/


if you have any chars that isn't maxed out on skill, have them get just .1 skill in tailoring & get BODs from New Haven, I always use the same tailor in the first room. You will get lot of boots, sandals, shoes, & thigh boots that way (depending on how many chars you can do this with)
#30
Well that was a surprise.  I was keeping my BOD books in a container, and the container got full.  I thought there were only about 25 items in the container.  It turns out that BOD books gain in item count as they are filled up.  Each 5 BODs add one to the item count for the book.  So if you have 20 of them (as I did) in a container, the container will get full.  Look like I will need to lock them down on the floor.
#31
Ya I made the mistake of putting 500 in a book.  I was dragging it around and it went under the house and poofed later.  Was Carpentry.  Those dont work anyway.

Most people put them on a vendor and hit escape.
#32
@Pawain, are you saying there is a danger if locking them to floor?  I'd like to just make a stack of them on floor, but not if they are going to fall thru and become inaccessible.

Also, what do you mean by Carpentry books "don't work anyway"?
#33
I like them better on a vendor. They use lockdowns on the floor.  Im sure mine was a fluke, I was dragging it to a vendor.

None of the furniture BODs bribe up.  The only high one that works is the weapons that require gems and stuff.
#34
@Pawain, thank you for the explanation.

An Inconvenient Inconvenience

Ah heck.  Managing BOD books is getting to be a hassle.  On Baja it is not too bad.  Except for Inscription, where I have two characters gathering deeds, only one character is gathering BODs for each profession.  Some characters have more than one profession, but there is no overlap with other characters except Inscription.  And I only have one Inscription BOD book.

Origin has become the messy shard.  I have 4 books each for the professions of Blacksmith, Carpenter, Tailor, and Tinker, and there are two characters on two different accounts gathering BODs for three of those.  The box that was holding all those books became full due to the number of BODs in a BOD book contributing to item count.  Sixteen BOD books in one container was untenable.  So I made a couple of tables and set this up:
I see this as an accident waiting to happen.  All I need is to forget to lock a book down, and it will be gone next time I log in.  Additional problems include:
  1. Books cannot be manipulated unless held.  That means they must be retrieved, added to or BODs removed, then replaced on table and locked down.
  2. If the home owner account is the one locking down a book, he must remember to set security to co-owner, or the other BOD gatherer for that profession won't be able to access it.
  3. It is awkward retrieving one or two books from a stack.  The stacks are Blacksmith, Carpenter, Tailor, and Tinker.
The house is already public, so storing the books on a vendor is possible.  However, would a character from each of my two accounts be able to manipulate the books on a vendor?  I guess I could gather all the daily BODs first, then manipulate the books afterward with the "right character".  Is there a more straight-forward way to do this than either stacks on tables or vendors?

Suggestion

Currently each 5 BODs in a book count as one item, plus the book itself is another item.  Thus a full book of 500 BODs counts as 101 items.  Secure containers (normally the most convenient storage) hold 125 items, basically meaning 1 full BOD book per secure container. If the ratio in a book were changed from 5:1 to 20:1, then a full BOD book would count as 26 items.  This would allow four full books per secure container.  I suggest doing that.

I know the item limit is barely a problem, if at all, when the BOD books are stored on vendors.  Also, storing them on vendors, but not actually offering them for sale, is specifically allowed.  However, this translates to frustration for players hunting for certain BODs.  They find what they seek, but it may not be for sale. I would prefer not to contribute to another player's frustration by putting not-for-sale items on a vendor.  Thus my preference is to store them in secure containers rather than vendors.
#35
I have vendors set up for bods.  100 Bods per book, each vendor can hold 5 books that way.  Plus the lower count means I don't have to worry about emptying my pack to get one off the vendor

#36
@Uriah_Heep, oh, so vendors only hold 125 items too?  Bummer.  For some reason I thought they could hold a lot more than that.  This just adds to the benefit of changing deed/item ratio from 5:1 to 20:1.
#37
@Rock yes thats all they hold.  Doing it this way also allows me to toss random for sale items on the vendors as well, so it works well for me.  My advice to anyone with bods, find the system that works for you, and do it.  Whatever you are comfortable with
#38
I would like to see them do away with the deed / item ratio and treat a BOD book as a single item no mater how many deeds are in it.  But that may encourage people to just horde deeds and never complete and turn them in.
#39
if you put BODs on a vendor & don't want to sell them, you can opt out of search (that way people can't find it, in case you accidently don't hit escape when you add it).

I believe it was stated that if you put them on a vendor for storage that you must put on them that they are not for sale ( I name the vendor Elf names cause I live at the North Pole & name the shop NOT FOR SALE) & that you can only do one or the other with a vendor. Either you have the vendor to sale the BODs or they are for storage.

I do put them on vendors cause I can put one full book (500) & another book (115) for storage. When these additional BODs first came out I went overboard collecting them & had them spread out amongst all my houses. I just recently found 7 of my vendors in the house moving crate (which I had been checking everyday cause I had a ship in the water). the home-owner had to get it out cause the one who put it there couldn't get it out. And the crazy thing is that the exact amount of vendors that were in there is the same number of stewards I had in the place.

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people keep asking if they would change the item count or change how you interact with them. As much as I think this is a priority for crafters, I am looking forward to the fall content that they are working on. wondering if they will have the bone containers this year. wish I could get one with a governor title but I'm thinking personal titles are off limits
#40
Rock said:
...
So I made a couple of tables and set this up:
I see this as an accident waiting to happen.  All I need is to forget to lock a book down, and it will be gone next time I log in.  ...
Well, it happened.  I've lost two BOD books. 🙁  They were for Alchemy and Cooking, each holding about 120 BODs.  Just in case, I did try to check the house's moving crate, but the option is ghosted. I think that must mean it is empty.

I may just stop collecting those.  The only BOD rewards I really need are the 120-skill scrolls for Blacksmith and Tailor. <sigh>
#41
@Cinderella I have 72 BOD Storage Vendors and none of my BODs are for sell and none of my vendors were renamed NOT FOR SALE.  These vendors have been up for at least 4 years now.
#42
@Bilbo I'm assuming that your BODs are for your own personal use and you don't sell them. If you do sell them, then they can't be on a vendor with ones you are storing. Its either one or the other. I put NOT FOR SALE on them, so someone can see right away that they are storage vendors. I guess I do it so they don't waste their time looing for ones to buy.
#43
@ Bilbo I'm assuming that your BODs are for your own personal use and you don't sell them. If you do sell them, then they can't be on a vendor with ones you are storing. Its either one or the other. I put NOT FOR SALE on them, so someone can see right away that they are storage vendors. I guess I do it so they don't waste their time looing for ones to buy.
Sorry to tell you but you are wrong because I have seen many, many ,many bod books that have some for sale with others not for sale.  Where are you getting all this info from, please provide a link or better yet place a mixed BOD Book on your vendor for yourself and see what happens.  And like I said before there is no requirement to have NOT FOR SALE on the vendor that is your choice to do so.  All my Castle vendors are in Fel and they are not for sale but my vendor in Luna has books with filled/unfilled for sale and not for sale all on 1 vendor or are you going to tell me my vendor is bugged.
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