Thank you! more rumors

A lot of dev bashing and im prob part of the problem but more rumors of accounts banned and the houses of said accounts being taken over by Mesanna. Thank you. I know many dont agree but the game WOULD be better off without the cheats. so if this is true, THANK you. and keep kicking ass guys

Sell the reclaimed house locations in the UO Store, ill buy 2 :-)

Good for her and the team if this is true.  I support this decision.

Maybe they were listening and are going down a list, manually. Time will tell.

Anyone who is mutlibotting afk farming should be perma banned. Too little too late. Damage has been done.

I wish they would fix the d/c keeps happening to much

Army said:

Anyone who is mutlibotting afk farming should be perma banned. Too little too late. Damage has been done.

I've suggested it, they need to turn on that Destard/Deceit afk timer. But even with that, yes, the damage already has been done and will continue to be done by the bot sampire army trains. 

I know the majority of the population is worn out with this repetitive ToT idea. If you are as well or have an idea for the next round,  throw your suggestions here

that afk timer had issues it would target active players but it was a good idea just didnt work correctly

Skett said:

that afk timer had issues it would target active players but it was a good idea just didnt work correctly

I agree.

I don’t disagree, those army’s of bots should be banned…that being said, no name people who don’t play the game shouldn’t be allowed input/opinions.

(That USERNAME) weirdo btw who I’m referring to. 

Playboy_1 said:

I don’t disagree, those army’s of bots should be banned…that being said, no name people who don’t play the game shouldn’t be allowed input/opinions.

Thank you for this wonderful advice, PLAYBOY_1, joined Dec 16 2024 with 25 posts, disregarding your input/opinions.

this is my first experience of the ToTs, all in all i think they are quite good but....:

1. Are too easily abused, as per the bot trains etc
2. Go on for too long - months of doing the same thing over and over isnt fun
3. Rewards are very easy to get, maybe too easy and i dont think there is the player base to actually sell all of these items?

username said:

Playboy_1 said:

I don’t disagree, those army’s of bots should be banned…that being said, no name people who don’t play the game shouldn’t be allowed input/opinions.

Thank you for this wonderful advice, PLAYBOY_1, joined Dec 16 2024 with 25 posts, disregarding your input/opinions.

Well if you can’t trust someone whose account is 4 days old who can you trust?

@Fenriswolf

Don't you worry. Once this one ends, we'll have another one in 3 months that will last 3 months. 
After that one? I got you, we'll have another one in 3 months that will last 3 months. 
Then after that one? No worry! We'll have another one in 3 months that will last 3 months. 
Welcome back to Ultima Online!

1&3 kind of go together. The reason people bot the hell out of these with 30 sampires running around like little ants is that the rewards are so good. The rewards should be account bound, non shard bound, in my opinion. Goodbye RMT bots! Plus why would I buy Potions of Glorious fortune? Far more cost effective to just buy the points to turn in than put $ into a potion from the store or off VS.

Any pics of this?  Those of you that complain so much should know more info about the targets of these constant complaints.

username said:

Playboy_1 said:

I don’t disagree, those army’s of bots should be banned…that being said, no name people who don’t play the game shouldn’t be allowed input/opinions.

Thank you for this wonderful advice, PLAYBOY_1, joined Dec 16 2024 with 25 posts, disregarding your input/opinions.

He admits he is a "former" cheater  his ideas should carry much more weight.  But I do like the idea of those with more posts being listened to at a higher level.

 😂 

I actually play the game. People who just whine and cry like babies in forums, but don’t play the game shouldn’t get opinions. 

Playboy_1 said:

I actually play the game. People who just whine and cry like babies in forums, but don’t play the game shouldn’t get opinions. 

I agree but there is another troll here that clearly does not play, he can only talk about what he can read from the Wiki, he didn't know the solen hives have the same spawn as the cities.

As far as more posts tbh…I forgot my old log in lol. I’ve been on here before but it looked dead to me, so I email/and discord. It’s the same 5 people talking about cheating in here all day every day; and some of them don’t even play the game. It classic UO changes a few more things there won’t really be a need for the “O” client… want a few more things are done. You won’t see so much complaining but the problem is they aren’t done yet and a lot of these people are on holiday

Ya they just sent out the Happy Holidays announcement.

https://uo.com/2024/12/20/happy-holidays-happy-new-year/

Have a happy and well deserved break!  @Kyronix @Bleak @Mesanna @Misk @Community Manager

Thanks for a very fun year of playing UO!

Enjoy that time out of the dungeon!

And maybe some of the choleric posters will come back happier.

Pawain said:

Any pics of this?  Those of you that complain so much should know more info about the targets of these constant complaints.

 😂 

You going to say those picture and videos are fake . . .

Even when u have all those infos nothing happen.. even when u kill their bots and they drop racist comment.. nothing happen other than the legit players quitting the game while bots proliferate.. cuz we ain't botting nor frame skipping all over the place.. what's the point.

Very bad comment.. 

@Fenriswolf Bring him what he's asking for.. and look what gonna happen..

I legit bring a video of 10 multi-bot on top of each others, farming oni for ~8 straight days.. 24/7 they were returning on the same spot.. Paiwan was saying.. these guy were.. brb..




Bring him what he's asking for.. he gonna change his narrative.. u just cannot win against non sense.
Just go read uo dot com holiday announcement.. for us by us, the bots lover and non sense.

Looking for 2 seconds, I can tell they are following each other, not multiboxing.  

They are stopping and going to the next target.  Is that in their program?  

That does not look like automated multiboxing.  Do you think they put periods of stopping in their program?

If a GM talks to them, I bet they can answer because someone is controlling them.

I stand by the highlighted statement I made back then, you cant accuse players of doing things when they are not.

Go to Atlantic to see multiboxers.  If they are still there.

You lost all credibility saying that Skett cheats.

 😂 

It's clearly automation.. someone is operating.. not playing. returning on the same pixel with attack for hours
Monitoring 10 bots full of automation (clearly a script) I can share with you the full videos.. I had the thief on the lap top.. recording them for 16 hours a day for 8 straight days while I was playing on the main account; gathering hide on the tamer..

I did all i could possibly do to stop that cheater, CLEARLY not playing.. only monitoring.. I've seen the same stack ~1 month later.. they were doing the same in ararat.

PS: that same cheater is doing the same on trammel side event.. but all those 10+ character botting on their own.. he just monitor them.. ain't playing a single one of them.. they not doing the train tho.. they cover the entire town..

When I saw that.. I was like f off.. i'm going on Felucca.. i've seen the same but on a smaller scale.. when i call them out.. they bring their red and turn grey.. after ~4 days.. I turn on the offensive to kill them.. at this point they wanted peace to bot freely on Felucca.. then they started to do the train like in this video (losing reward but protecting them in PvP cuz they unattended and it's hard to monitor that many accounts vs someone doing the guerilla strats.)

Yes you did all you could to stop players from killing 1 hit mobs with 5 guys, LOL

I'd report you for harassment and that would stick.

@Fenriswolf see what I meant.. crazy.

Paiwan: study them!! know your ennemy!
Also Paiwan: This is Harassment!

You cannot win against non sense.. he always adapt his narrative with non sense; even if it's to say the opposite (study them to stop harassing them in a few hours period).. just look how he's glazing the team for their holidays post..  

KroDuK said:

@ Fenriswolf Bring him what he's asking for.. and look what gonna happen..

Sorry no idea what this meant

Pawain said:

Any pics of this?  Those of you that complain so much should know more info about the targets of these constant complaints.

@Fenriswolf

He posted that here ~2 hours ago.. in response to you and username.
(it was in the quote u emptied without deleting) 

I prove him how wrong he is.. he's now saying it would be harassment.. when the last time he told me it could have been fake pics.

KroDuK said:

Pawain said:

Any pics of this?  Those of you that complain so much should know more info about the targets of these constant complaints.

@ Fenriswolf

He posted that here ~2 hours ago.. in response to you and username.
(it was in the quote u emptied without deleting) 

I prove him how wrong he is.. he's now saying it would be harassment.. when the last time he told me it could have been fake pics.

You showed a video of guys following a leader.  They were not multiboxing.   They all did not cast spells at the same time. They did not move in a clump.

Yes you posting a video of them and claiming they are cheating is harassment.   

The GM probably talked to them and they answered.

following = stacking on top 😂 .. for 16 hours straight no break for 8 straight days going back on the exact same pixel. Clearly someone that was monitoring 10 bots (and maybe more the world is big; multiple shards.. this dude could be monitoring 40 bots or even 200 bots for all I know.. i only seen this stack of 10 on Legends)

No, following is legal.  They do not all move at the same time.  They clump when the leader stops.

If they were multiboxing they would stay clumped.

If you think they are there and unattended drag something to them or put down hay bales.  You will find out if they are attended.  Grow a pair if you really want to stop them.

Posting videos here will not promote action. Wrong doing in game must be reported in game.

Mariah said:

Posting videos here will not promote action. Wrong doing in game must be reported in game.

As you well know.. I did report them multiple time in game, they still running in game.. when I could finally attack and kill those bots.. they were dropping racist comment.. as u well know.. reported that also.. they still in the game.

I came here to call out the in game corruption.. tagging mesanna.. nothing happen other than you misrepresenting the racist situation (to realise the mistake) and telling me to call a GM.. wich was the reason I came on forum in the first place.. nothing happen in game.. it's the wild west..

All it did was; i got ban from forum the first time for exposing them.. Mesanna never answer.. while y'all were deleting my pics and videos and closing my bots threads left and right.

Pawain said:

No, following is legal.  They do not all move at the same time.  They clump when the leader stops.

I could find a post where u telling me.. there is a delay between each clients.. if u'd do a too big of a train u'd lose the tail of it.. can u stop contradicting urself to fit your non sense narrative as u please?.. this is lame!

These guy are on top of each others with MINIMAL cheat engine delay and they all attack and loot to return on the same pixel for 16 hours straight 8 days in a row... clearly a script... attended bots or not.. they were clearly botting.. my assumption was he had a couple of those train on different dead server at that time.. wich explain why he's not ban. $-$

So this is fel and you can't kill them?  You can drag mobs to them in fel, you are a pvp hearder.

 😂 the ignorance is astounding.

Need me to bring my luck archer there to kill them?

Pawain said:

So this is fel and you can't kill them?  You can drag mobs to them in fel, you are a pvp hearder.

This is the fan dancer dojo.. I could kill them during the city invasion... but it was different bots.. cuz those 10 bots in the video.. were disperse on trammel during the invasion.. wich explain why i went on Felucca i'm not competing against bots for the spawn.. i could kill them on Fel.

PS: maybe u hvn'T realised yet.. the let's shame him cuz he's don't/can'T PvP ain't working with me.. try something else u dishonest manipulator. My balls are bigger than my ego

KroDuK said:

Pawain said:

No, following is legal.  They do not all move at the same time.  They clump when the leader stops.

I could find a post where u telling me.. there is a delay between each clients.. if u'd do a too big of a train u'd lose the tail of it.. can u stop contradicting urself to fit your non sense narrative as u please?.. this is lame!

These guy are on top of each others with MINIMAL cheat engine delay and they all attack and loot to return on the same pixel for 16 hours straight 8 days in a row... clearly a script... attended bots or not.. they were clearly botting.. my assumption was he had a couple of those train on different dead server at that time.. wich explain why he's not ban. $-$

They are not going full speed long enough for them to get out of range. They are at different spots when they move just like I said.

Kill them!

ok I give up.. THIS IS THE FAN DANCER DOJO!!!!

You said you killed them before.  Just going by what you said.  I told you a method to stop them if they are not attended.  If they are not attended, who would page on you for doing it?

You were just decorating the area with tribarel cactus for the holidays.

I prefer barrel cactus for the holidays 

 😂 

Pawain said:

Playboy_1 said:

I actually play the game. People who just whine and cry like babies in forums, but don’t play the game shouldn’t get opinions. 

I agree but there is another troll here that clearly does not play, he can only talk about what he can read from the Wiki, he didn't know the solen hives have the same spawn as the cities.

Lord_Nythrax said:

Pawain said:

Playboy_1 said:

I actually play the game. People who just whine and cry like babies in forums, but don’t play the game shouldn’t get opinions. 

I agree but there is another troll here that clearly does not play, he can only talk about what he can read from the Wiki, he didn't know the solen hives have the same spawn as the cities.

Go back like two weeks into my forum history and you'll find a couple of posts about how they left the ants down there with the skeletons.

For context, Pawain brags about taking his swordsman down to the solen hive for the event like that's supposed to be a mighty accomplishment unto itself. When you're not impressed he blows a gasket, seizes on some stupid shit like how you didn't make sure to mention the skeletons too, and starts ranting about it all over the forum.

You are talking gibberish.  The same mobs are there as in the city but lots more of them.

I do not control what Mobs are there.  If I had my way they would be Para Balrons with Tainted life leech.

You are the only one bragging about killing 1 hit mobs with your Sampire.

I am just telling you what is there and how many there are.  How is that bragging about anything,  Other than I have logged in and played, while you clearly do not.

Ya know what would stop all multiboxing….Fel. Oh wait…

im actually at a point now, sad to say that i dont actually care about the bots, its more down to event management. It would be quite simple to just design events that encourage players to play the game, instead of having the ability to just automate it.

The treasure map hunting and the hidden chest thing were really good ideas but just badly implemented. There is little to no real reward for the players doing this compared to just being a meathead and killing stuff over and over again

There are plenty of things that cannot be automated presumably? Just incorporate these into the MAIN REWARDS for the events. There  are also, presumably again plenty of ways of preventing items being abused within the game system for either selling or the like, by either making certain items account bound when equipped or the like. Limiting the amount of certain items a character/account can have etc etc. 

All of these would remove the incentive to use multiple bots in the first place, or maybe not? Maybe they just like endlessly gathering stuff.

The issue i see now is removing that advantage to using multiple accounts, so im going with bad game design...

Im also assuming that the introduction of Paragons was someone meant to kerb this? But all it really did was kill off the weaker players, those using just one account to try and farm the sanctum drops and moved the advantage to players who could create bots trains etc.

Fenriswolf said:

There are plenty of things that cannot be automated presumably? 

You are likely coming at this from a perspective of the standard clients. Unfortunately, this is the wrong presumption. Anything I can think of that's been added to the game to prevent automation has always ended up only hurting legitimate players and gets automated anyways, all while making it more of a grind or more annoying to legitimate players (in one way or another) that even try the activity. Guess who doesn't care if things are annoying or a grind? A program running 24/7. 


- The devs thought they were clever, releasing a rare Hiryu as a reward for the Eodon quest. Only ended up as a botting payday.

- The devs thought they were clever, releasing the Yukio earrings as a rare quest reward. Only ended up as a botting payday.

- The devs thought they were clever, mixing it up this year with 5 minutes to get to a random coordinate to kill the manifestation. Until the ToT was released 90% of the people at the manifestation on Atlantic were bots.

- The devs maybe thought they were clever, mixing up the ToT in random towns because they didn't realize the power of these clients. Yea, ToTs have always been a bot payday, as often gloated about in the discords.

Without getting in to details, the cheat clients have built in features that allow you to do every and anything. For example, look at these ToT sampire bots:

• Fully automated, running 24/7
• Auto relog/login
• Auto run back and forth at a town crier, awaiting a new town
• Auto travel using vet teleporters at Nabin's ATL house
• Auto repair gear using public and private repair benches
• Auto turn in point items
• Auto claim rewards
• Auto stash rewards at a loot house
• Auto res if dead
• Wouldn't be surprised if auto put point items/reward items on vendor
• etc etc.

These bots are so complex they are able to press play and not even be looked at until the event is over, ~90 days from start to finish. One click will farm likely 100k items easily per character over the course of the event. That's why these clients are so dangerous to the game. Tools that existed in the past were not this powerful.

Fenriswolf said:

There  are also, presumably again plenty of ways of preventing items being abused within the game system for either selling or the like, by either making certain items account bound when equipped or the like.

The only idea I've ever seen suggested that would actually work to completely curb RMT botting without massively punishing legitimate players, an idea that other MMOs have implemented to solve such problems, is 'account bound' items. And honestly, these items are so powerful they shouldn't be handed out like candy that they are, my opinion of course. That would include everything from points to all rewards - anything gained from the event. If you have another suggestion I'd like to hear it!

Fenriswolf said:

There are plenty of things that cannot be automated presumably? 

No.

username said:

...For example, look at these ToT sampire bots:

• Fully automated, running 24/7
• Auto relog/login
• Auto run back and forth at a town crier, awaiting a new town
• Auto travel using vet teleporters at Nabin's ATL house
• Auto repair gear using public and private repair benches
• Auto turn in point items
• Auto claim rewards
• Auto stash rewards at a loot house
• Auto res if dead
• Wouldn't be surprised if auto put point items/reward items on vendor
• etc etc.

These bots are so complex they are able to press play and not even be looked at until the event is over, ...

username, even you, with your jaded and negative attitude, are dramatically underestimating what is actually happening with these types of software and what Broadsword / EA are up against. Yes, I would say EA at this point. I suspect EA is presently, or will be shortly, involved due to the way these clients are affecting, or have the potential to effect, EA's account management system.

I have never bothered with these clients before, but I spent a couple of hours going through discords and websites the other day. It is perversely impressive how much effort is being put into cheating in a 30 yr. old game. I could not understand what exactly I was looking at, or why anyone would bother with UO at all in this manner, until I saw the exchange rate between the US Dollar and the Russian Ruble.

This is, at the end, on Broadsword. They turned a blind eye to the broader implications of what was going on for years, preferring to keep revenue intact, and thereby implicitly approving this type of behavior.  

Now, these clients have put Broadsword into a position where botting in UO is the least of their worries.

If this mess draws the Great Eye of Sauron (EA Legal), there are going to be some serious changes to the Ultima Online service. An EA account management breach, which seems increasingly likely due to the motivations and behaviors behind these clients, completed through repeated attacks on UO's client, would probably be the final straw for EA.

UO doesn't make enough money for EA to bother with, but by goodness, if UO gets EA into a multi-million dollar class action lawsuit, EA won't bat an eye at cutting what would be a minor loss.

The UO team is in a real pickle. 

oh dear, is all i can say then really.

The exchange rate part kindof explains lots of things though..

Surely they cant automate treasure hunting and the detecting hidden chests bit?

Who told you that all these accounts were being banned and taking over whose houses and where they at. And how did you find this information out

Arroth_Thaiel said:

UO doesn't make enough money for EA to bother with, but by goodness, if UO gets EA into a multi-million dollar class action lawsuit, EA won't bat an eye at cutting what would be a minor loss.

Care to elaborate?

Fenriswolf said:

Surely they cant automate treasure hunting and the detecting hidden chests bit?

Yes. EVERYTHING is able to be automated with these clients.

There's a site I can't give it out but it pings the server and tells you how many are live for the lake Euro server and world of Warcraft and all that and that Mmnos hate it you just have to Google MMO server pings. Average day for uo is not even 5,000 players online that is bad. I'm telling you they have less than 10,000 real players and like a lot of them have three to five accounts so that's why you have between 60000 to 80,000 accounts cuz some people have 20 or 30. But you don't have less than 10,000 real life players. When you're this low that is bad that is so bad. The customer support is gone. And the boters and  the scriptures are run running rampant as like the wild wild west out there. They do whatever they want.

steven said:

There's a site I can't give it out but it pings the server and tells you how many are live for the lake Euro server and world of Warcraft and all that and that Mmnos hate it you just have to Google MMO server pings. Average day for uo is not even 5,000 players online that is bad. I'm telling you they have less than 10,000 real players and like a lot of them have three to five accounts so that's why you have between 60000 to 80,000 accounts cuz some people have 20 or 30. But you don't have less than 10,000 real life 

What a weirdo…there is probably 1000-2000 players across all shards. The site even says the numbers don’t mean anything

that is idocguy @Army . Gus is well known bc of that, no proper sentences, always scamming people. nothing that comes from this guy make any sense.

Don't mind King he has a gold sight that sells houses EM items regular items and game he can't make any money if the game gets shut down. Or if we get what we want a ban all the scripters and boters. The population is so low or I was trying to tell people they were asking why it doesn't matter when you only have a few thousand players you can't ban 50% of the population when it's even this low. It is so freaking low we have keeps castles Luna plots houses in tucumo falling on Atlantic houses in Luna The population is either dying or leaving in mass waves. And it is not good for the game at all. They would do so much better if they made the game affair fair game. This is a EA game that is owned by EA. But it's being managed by mythic. And they're not falling EA rules and they're not doing their job. And we need to let them know what is going on by contacting EA and let him know that this management company is not doing their job and needs to be replaced.

Yall need to answer this guys question, he is legit wondering why UO is not making enough money because he has lived in his Moms basement for his whole adult life and UO is his only income.  He has yet to run out of pizza money and weighs 600lbs.  How can UO not be racking in the dough while he is.

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