A mid term solution for automation

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Skett said:

once again we are stuck using incomplete and or out dated clients

I like web cuo but its missing a lot stil. l im sure someday it will have most the basic features the cc has and maybe even ec as well when thought ?

 if you used the web cuo you would know this

 its not just fps or larger windows and container grids, we at least would like a fair and level playing field = all clients = not some faster some better macros some ect. 

What basic features from the cc do you see the web CUO lacking?

Jepeth said:

What basic features from the cc do you see the web CUO lacking?

From my observations, the ability to easily intercept and inject specific packets from the client to the server 

I'm assuming most people who used **** have no idea what actual CC was capable of by this point

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Well that is straight to the point.

Let's see, they said 5% dared to use Fel for the event.  Id say most of that 5% were tram players brave enough to go.  Or Tram players who felt the Bots were a problem in Tram. So they went to check it out and found few there bothering them.

PvP used to be skill based, I hear more players wanting that back.  The OP is mad because of apples and other items that dilute PvP?  Come on. That is part of the skill.  He wants automation to return, That is not skill.  They should also change trapped boxes so they do not remove para.

More PvPers want skill based PvP not automation!

A trammy knows that but the Elete player who puts in more hours that others do comes to tell us what the game should be.  I can guarantee he has not played more hours than a 73 yr old Fisher, T Hunter, and every thing else tram player I know. 

Skett said:

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

we do have that now at a cost ,

once again we are stuck using incomplete and or out dated clients

I like web cuo but its missing a lot stil. l im sure someday it will have most the basic features the cc has and maybe even ec as well when thought ?

 if you used the web cuo you would know this

 its not just fps or larger windows and container grids, we at least would like a fair and level playing field = all clients = not some faster some better macros some ect. 

You’re not supposed to use your hands when you play soccer. You’ve been allowed to use your hands for too long.

If you think the EC has a better feature set than web CUO, you should use the EC. The playing field is level when all players are permitted to use the same clients.

The main Bugs I find with CUO are:

• The sound will mess up after a few hours and you have to close the client.
• You do not get the time out notification.  When you do time out, your screen is there but not moving, you cant log out, you have to close the client.
• Macros do mess up when you log chars on and off to collect rewards.  I learned to save the state when you have things like you want them and reload that state and the macros return. Many times you can get them to return by restoring the state. 
• When you type in the wrong password, you have to close the client and start again.
• The masteries are under spells in CC.  You can set a macro to choose nearest target, attack that target with a mastery such as Stagger or Onslaught.  I cant do that with 1 press in CUO.
• I think it uses more resources than CC, I cant have 4 accounts on and watch TV,  It starts to lag my stream. My computer is old and I have 30+ things like lights and other things automated thru WiFi in my house, The Spectrum guy says I'm trying to put too much stuff through the pipeline.  I have the max speed and it works great when those 30 things are not on.  But using 4 CCs works fine.

Moral of the story. Yall are going to have to adapt like the legit clients users had to adapt to compete against the BOT trains.

And real PvPers had to against automation.  

Maybe more PvPers will return if the playing field stays equal like it must be now, because the cheaters are the only ones complaining about this!

Dont let the door hit u in the arse!

Skett said:

@ loop

i treid using the ec makes me feel sick i dont like it

Oh wow. This is pretty serious, and I'm not a professional, but have you ever consulted a medical professional about this? Is it just Ultima Online Enhanced Client? Or other games as well? 

I'm the same way,  Just looking at a screenshot of EC can make me queezy.  Any video of it or me trying to play it will make me queezy and ruin my vision for a while.  I am nearsighted and wear glasses.

I have not seen any other game that does that.

The standard line would be:

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Pvmers, me included we asked for a modern version with FPS, but pvp is another story. I dont want anything Im saying a negotiation is not a threat, you play your cards, you dont get what you want you pick up your stuff and leave. Why would you stay if they dont reach your minimum. Simple as that. 

Yes, thats an excellent idea! Lets deconstruct pvp (completely) and start playing it wil commands like Linus would do it!

Semi automation is an unsatisfied need. And needs that are not taken into account sometimes dont get to a deal.

Skett said:

@ Jepeth

same speed turning and running as cc/ec all to be equal

remember desktop - have paper doll open and in same spot

on login screen remember and show highlighted last char logged in

bugs

items not showing in containers, in game and on char

macros stop working randomly 

when leaving from some vendor house client freezes up

cant use nova and conflag (PB)

im sure more....

ive only used the client maybe 10 hours Like i said I like it so far im not knocking it I realize it is still in beta that's why im pointing this all out as well as correcting anyone saying everyone got what they asked for,

I also don't like having to use chrome and discord to use it but if that's the compromise so be it.

Aide from automation or in this case we are talking about a mid range solution theres bugs and that should be treated in the right path 

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first  it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down. 

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught  + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 8ish, but most ran with 0, or 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@Kyronix

Cookie said:

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first  it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down. 

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught  + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

Look that solution you just mention might as well work , its not even semi automation but it does go a bit beyond what we got now, and it would still simplify pvp and not have to stress to much looking for every specific item you want to use while a bok mage is trying to kill you in 4 htis (4-5 seconds). As long as with 1 key we can bandage self, apple, throw conflag (last target), also nova (last target), or explo, or use draught, use seed, use healing stone, trap box (generic), etc, i dont see trains comming back for that specific improvement. And it would make the experience much more friendly and intuitive. 

Jack_UO said:

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

Look that solution you just mention might as well work , its not even semi automation but it does go a bit beyond what we got now, and it would still simplify pvp and not have to stress to much looking for every specific item you want to use while a bok mage is trying to kill you in 4 htis (4-5 seconds). As long as with 1 key we can bandage self, apple, throw conflag (last target), also nova (last target), or explo, or use draught, use seed, use healing stone, trap box (generic), etc, i dont see trains comming back for that specific improvement. And it would make the experience much more friendly and intuitive. 

The thing is, we feel we have been asking this stuff for 15 years, and been ignored.
And anOther client has it.

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others,  the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past.  I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

Pawain said:

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others,  the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past.  I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Skett said:

@ loop

i treid using the ec makes me feel sick i dont like it

I Had the same issue but i was able to change the settings and then power through the remaining. It caused a headache for a few months but I'm a stubborn arse and wanted the features of the EC without resorting to the cheat clients. I can cope with the fugly graphics and actually prefer them now. 

Skett said:

@ loop

ive never use any 3rd party client or add-ons other than uo assist years ago so not sure what your soccer reference is about.

I only use cc plain nothing else and it isnt nearly as good as ec when it comes to features and speed

would be nice if we could all have the same features in each client 

if that bothers you im sorry

I'm with you. they need to find a way to put the EC GUI stuff in CC or CC graphics in EC CUO is close, but not enough fro me to swap over yet. 

Cookie said:

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.

 😂 

Believe him, only one was automated.. wich explain why he needs a consumable bar and a cheat engine.

Like i was saying in the post u were telling me only mid tier PvP players uses automated action.. cuz it gets in your way..
The automated action cheater was legion around ~2008.. Killing the PvP even more after their factions changes (u would be dumb to not be faction member even if u were a trammel only user); when EA then Mythic started add more n more consumable.. on top of encouraging cheaters it would demoralise casual trammel players..

EX: my first 3 months when i came back in june was for gathering while crafting ~20k each potion, 10k each food, 2.5k bolas and more.. (like 10k petals)


And no, mage wouldn't put their reagent in a small bags.. they would do stack of ~20 and pile them on top of each others in their backpack.. cuz back then very few cheater were running around with auto loot.. that would get them banned!!

You forgot what even playing feel/looks like; 1 out of 16, so funny  😂

Can we revoke this guy access to the forum, once and for all? After christmas he's done playing while still admitting to do automated bot action in game on official forum..
I thought he was a professional cheater.. but he's a professional liar and only an amateur cheater.. can't even make it work without his little automated wheels. Get out of here.


@JackFlashUk The speech about mages died around ~2008

Weirdly enough Cookie, agrees with you.. then his first sentence totally demolish what u just said. Saying he needs a consumable bar on his thrower cuz he has ~16 consumables wich only one was botted!! (bet)
My necro archer or paladin dexer had ~20 macro each when my mage had ~30.. These cheater do not want better macro.. they want automation.. or they would play on UOA.

PS: on those 16 consumable 50% only can be macroed on CC.
In this 50%; those like potions doesn't even worth it without UOA.. u gonna get pounded for more dmg than what u healed the time u unequip drink and re-equip. (when UOA it's almost instant)


All we need is better soft and hardcap. #balance.. not tools to get around the problem.. we need to fix it once and for all. Stop encouraging automated action in PvP.
Dumb example.. potion/consumable like in diablo.. 3-5.. make choices.. like we should make choice for BIS heresy instead of equipping them all.

Shatter potion shouldn't be a thing; all those potion could break themselves in your backpack after x time, when receiving dmg or just when moving.. I'd prefer the dmg once.. we could hide a backpack full of pot on a spawn region or on a thief mule for example.. to go grab it when we need to PvP and those consumable/potion wouldn't be a thing after the first few bouts.

We have a tons of solution for a sandbox.. keep those options up.. just limited those option/hardcap.. or the opposite softcap it and make some of them work automaticly (worse solution imo.. not everyone gonna waste 3 months crafting tons of PvP stock or stealing from mobs)

Even in early 2k.. the legit mage macro was not the norm to duel.. we need to address those consumables with soft and hardcap while doing something for the mage (not only the mage but he's the worse) macro for legit users..

PS: if everyone is legit.. I see no problem other than the actual players APM and muscle memory.. but I guess we past that point.. UO ain't e-sport with a lot of older community member..

Personally as a legit user since day 1.. my only problem with macro, (other than learning my character/game/how to play) mage PvP included.. was to streamline those macro on different characters; like on main account I was playing; a paladin, a necro archer, a mage, a sappire, a pure samurai, a mage tamer and a PvP thief.. u cannot use a cure pot on different keys type of stuff and to stop attacking people while chatting (replace the tab by caps lock; when i'm caps lock i cast stuff instead of typing letters)

KroDuK said:

Cookie said:

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.

 😂 

Believe him, only one was automated.. wich explain why he needs a consumable bar and a cheat engine.

Like i was saying in the post u were telling me only mid tier PvP players uses automated action.. cuz it gets in your way..
The automated action cheater was legion around ~2008.. Killing the PvP even more after their factions changes (u would be dumb to not be faction member even if u were a trammel only user); when EA then Mythic started add more n more consumable.. on top of encouraging cheaters it would demoralise casual trammel players..

EX: my first 3 months when i came back in june was for gathering while crafting ~20k each potion, 10k each food, 2.5k bolas and more.. (like 10k petals)


And no, mage wouldn't put their reagent in a small bags.. they would do stack of ~20 and pile them on top of each others in their backpack.. cuz back then very few cheater were running around with auto loot.. that would get them banned!!

You forgot what even playing feel/looks like; 1 out of 16, so funny  😂

Can we revoke this guy access to the forum, once and for all? After christmas he's done playing while still admitting to do automated bot action in game on official forum..
I thought he was a professional cheater.. but he's a professional liar and only an amateur cheater.. can't even make it work without his little automated wheels. Get out of here.


@ JackFlashUk The speech about mages died around ~2008

Weirdly enough Cookie, agrees with you.. then his first sentence totally demolish what u just said. Saying he needs a consumable bar on his thrower cuz he has ~16 consumables wich only one was botted!! (bet)
My necro archer or paladin dexer had ~20 macro each when my mage had ~30.. These cheater do not want better macro.. they want automation.. or they would play on UOA.

PS: on those 16 consumable 50% only can be macroed on CC.
In this 50%; those like potions doesn't even worth it without UOA.. u gonna get pounded for more dmg than what u healed the time u unequip drink and re-equip. (when UOA it's almost instant)


All we need is better soft and hardcap. #balance.. not tools to get around the problem.. we need to fix it once and for all. Stop encouraging automated action in PvP.
Dumb example.. potion/consumable like in diablo.. 3-5.. make choices.. like we should make choice for BIS heresy instead of equipping them all.

Shatter potion shouldn't be a thing; all those potion could break themselves in your backpack after x time, when receiving dmg or just when moving.. I'd prefer the dmg once.. we could hide a backpack full of pot on a spawn region or on a thief mule for example.. to go grab it when we need to PvP and those consumable/potion wouldn't be a thing after the first few bouts.

We have a tons of solution for a sandbox.. keep those options up.. just limited those option/hardcap.. or the opposite softcap it and make some of them work automaticly (worse solution imo.. not everyone gonna waste 3 months crafting tons of PvP stock or stealing from mobs)

Even in early 2k.. the legit mage macro was not the norm to duel.. we need to address those consumables with soft and hardcap while doing something for the mage (not only the mage but he's the worse) macro for legit users..

PS: if everyone is legit.. I see no problem other than the actual players APM and muscle memory.. but I guess we past that point.. UO ain't e-sport with a lot of older community member..

Personally as a legit user since day 1.. my only problem with macro, (other than learning my character/game/how to play) mage PvP included.. was to streamline those macro on different characters; like on main account I was playing; a paladin, a necro archer, a mage, a sappire, a pure samurai, a mage tamer and a PvP thief.. u cannot use a cure pot on different keys type of stuff and to stop attacking people while chatting (replace the tab by caps lock; when i'm caps lock i cast stuff instead of typing letters)

wtf... are you talking about... ?

You tell him.. good post.. on 16 consumables i was only automating script trap box.. totally agree with u the experience is much less friendly and enjoyable!!

If your problem was ONLY trap box.. I mean bra.. get out of here.. u want a consumable bar to make EASY macro.. that wouldn't required that level of knowledge to code automation like it used to.

Get out of here.. your solution is a solution for cheaters.. the problem would still remain.. even if u lied saying u were only botting one out of 16 actions.

Learn to PvP not how to script PvP... then your solution would be acceptable... till then, the dev need to understand you and the moderator need to sanction you for admitting to bot/automated script box.


You've seen my scrub PvP video.. on CC i was using GR. strength/dex, petal, trap box + bandaid.. the rest not worth or can't be use on CC legit without UOA..


You come here and tell us you were ONLY botting trap box on what shall not be named.. meanwhile I was rdy to use all the good stuff.. but wouldn't worth to install UOA vs those frame skipper with superman ability.
PS: all that was craft legit on CC.. no automation; other than craft all legit option.

IMHO.. most of those consumable shouldn't be usable on Felucca when most of them were design to be use on Felucca (for PvP) encouraging the automated action.. around ~2005-08.. knowing mythic added more with high sea.
But the problem with this idea is.. PvE is soo damn easy now a day.. most would become useless if they would do that.. the best would be to hardcap.. for us to make choices.. if i bring nova pot.. i lose something like refresh.. cuz i'm LIMITED (like a diablo belt).. u make offensive and defensive build to complete your team.. good for theorycrafting and teamplay.

Edit: or once again softcap it.. like those seed of life and potions.. give u the bot option.. at x% life u auto consume one... like u used to do even if u deny it. (worse option imo; u'd just load your backpack full of good stuff and it plays alone.. depressing for casual that needs to craft for HOURSSS to get PvP rdy cuz of tryhards.. or buy from bots)

Cookie said:

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

Imagine, running an illegal third party ONLY to script trapped box and macro the 15 other consumable and press the key urself..

Now asking for a consumable bar because of trapped box?? the same trapped box that can be macro on CC and activated at the single struck of a key when u being paralyse??


Am I eating crazy pills or he's lying and we should read:" I am managing 16 accounts in PvP - only 1 of wich was not entirely scripted."

You are a crazy man.
They are building UO for crazy people.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum. 🙂

Edit: Actually, let me edit my signature.. your a problem from the past.. for now.

one last time for the road, let me quote you for the lulz:"So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?"

Go play Everquest bra.. u can't PvP without your little automated wheels nor PvE without your multibox.

Cookie said:

Pawain said:

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others,  the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past.  I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC. 

Rhel said:

Cookie said:

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC. 

If it were worth me responding properly, I would.
But you have zero reading comprehension - I have already explained in multiple posts what WebCUO needs, and you have ignored them, brushed over them, as always, just so you can keep going with the above line.
Honestly, I do not want to respond to the retards on these forums anymore.
I closed all my accounts last night, and that was a good feeling, I do not have to put up with this bullshit anymore.

Cookie said:

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first  it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down. 

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught  + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 8ish, but most ran with 0, or 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

pretty sure if you want to use something you are supposed to have to click it or a hot key? The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not? Someone does something to you, you are supposed to react? Not have that reaction done for you. Even something as simple as the "scripted" pvp box, someone fighting you doesnt know its automated so they waste time and button presses to paralyze you, therefore giving you the advantage. You are supposed to pick and choose what you need to do for a given situation not have it automated to always be at max buff because you hit play on something.

PaladinBob said:

pretty sure if you want to use something you are supposed to have to click it or a hot key? The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not? Someone does something to you, you are supposed to react? Not have that reaction done for you. Even something as simple as the "scripted" pvp box, someone fighting you doesnt know its automated so they waste time and button presses to paralyze you, therefore giving you the advantage. You are supposed to pick and choose what you need to do for a given situation not have it automated to always be at max buff because you hit play on something.

As I have explained. Everything was equal, because everyone was using the same, or equal client, everyone knew how it worked. There was an equal opportunity for everyone, the players had to find and make these fixes themselves to give themselves a level playing field - because it did not exist between Classic and Enhanced.
These scenarios of brand new players coming up, and not having a clue what was going on, did not happen.
If they were serious, they were drafted into a pvp guild, who showed them the ropes.
If they were solo players, who would never have a hope, and could not fit into a team because they were such mentally disturbed individuals, and just wanted to complain about everything, they'd come to these forums - but they are not serious players, they have no intention of staying, or pvping properly. They are just destroying the game.

"The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not?"
There is a limit to what a player can handle?
You forget the actual part of pvping.
That is 16 consumables, on top of XX spells and abilities, on top of moving, strategic thinking, and teamplay.
I personally, was easily using 80 Hotkeys.
By this stage - some actions actually HAVE to be sub-routined out.
It is only logical, this is what humans do in real life.
We don't stick ourselves back in the 1920's.

Cookie said:

Rhel said:

Cookie said:

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC. 

If it were worth me responding properly, I would.
But you have zero reading comprehension - I have already explained in multiple posts what WebCUO needs, and you have ignored them, brushed over them, as always, just so you can keep going with the above line.
Honestly, I do not want to respond to the retards on these forums anymore.
I closed all my accounts last night, and that was a good feeling, I do not have to put up with this bullshit anymore.

I only asked a simple question, which from my recollection has actually never been clearly answered by you or King. 

No need to get toxic. If you're not happy with the game, by all means leave but don't stay around the forums and be toxic, condescending and rude to others when they ask simple questions. 

Surely it would have taken you half the time to copy a link to a previous reply you'd made regarding why you don't use the WebCUO client vs the toxic and condescending reply you made.

Rhel said:

I only asked a simple question, which from my recollection has actually never been clearly answered by you or King. 

No need to get toxic. If you're not happy with the game, by all means leave but don't stay around the forums and be toxic, condescending and rude to others when they ask simple questions. 

Surely it would have taken you half the time to copy a link to a previous reply you'd made regarding why you don't use the WebCUO client vs the toxic and condescending reply you made.

It has not been clearly answered, because you have a fixed biased viewpoint and cannot see it.
You can only see in one direction, and anything that differs to your fixed opinion, you can't see it.
Your ignorance is toxic, as is your fixed viewpoint, I am only responding in kind, you may be able to tell, I am tired of it, I can only handle so many stupid people.

I have read all your posts, and your responses, I know what you are like, a bit like Loop, you feign interest and congeniality when you have nothing of the sort in mind - you are purely fixed no matter what. Loop is interesting - only interested in Enhanced Client, and what he can gain on that - and no way was I going to tell him. But that is the point, Enhanced Client users, thinking everything is ok, non-pvpers thinking everything is ok, cannot see anything else.
Therefore, there is just no point, I may as well call a spade, a spade in your case.
I'll admit, you are not all out insane like 3 others on these forums, you are in a lower category.

One previous response, directly to yourself;

You even responded, and just brushed it aside.
And here you are asking again.

The amount of times I have to use the words, "Again", "I repeat myself". etc.
Because none of you are sincerely listening or able to take it on board.

*waves Bye Bye to Cookie*

just allow it all in Felucca...easy solution
Only run the main events in Trammel so it doesnt affect everyone, run Pvp events in Felucca

People that want to pvp or use other clients can, and it doesnt affect anyone as everyone can do it as well

The main issue with all of this is when it affects gameplay for everyone or gives someone an advantage over everyone else

Fenriswolf said:

People that want to pvp or use other clients can, and it doesnt affect anyone as everyone can do it as well

The main issue with all of this is when it affects gameplay for everyone or gives someone an advantage over everyone else

This is the thing.. a lot of those people didn't even wanted to use it.. they were force to use it to enjoy PvP.. then a lot of those realised this was not fun to cheat and have the game play for yourself and quit the game.


Just take you for example, in another post u were saying you back on the casual level, still hvn't finish to set up your macro.

This is not true all PvPers were using this clients, it's true tho all serious "PvPers" were FORCED to use it cuz of the studio inaction against those cheaters with superman abilities.. like to frame skip (could be consider a speed hack)


You wanted the possibility to do champ spawn.. Today u have the possibility to defend your ground vs REAL PvPers (way easier to kill without their bot action).. cuz they lost their superman ability/monopole on some content.

It's just them being mad they cannot easily do bot action anymore..
Keep in mind, a lot of PvPers hates PvEing.. now they have to PvE instead of just botting their champ spawn or events, while PvPing with superman ability to protect their bots at work.. this is what makes them mad.
They are not real PvPers they are BvBotters..

Someone suggested an official shard to ship all those cheaters.. an Official "free clients shard"

I mean why not.. not sure how it would work on the back end/dev side.. but if it's possible.. why not.. Just transfer all their shard bound items and infinite account on that fresh start shard, if they want; give them a specific shedule to open housing, let them cheat as they want on this shard "wild west" style.

Let's see how things goes.. Should be a real funny shit show but If what Cookie is saying is true.. this shard should be more crowded than ATL.. just with very little real human.

Just make sure to label this shard as a "ban world/wild west" shard.
It seems like a good compromise.

Edit: i don't need to state the obvious stuff like no transfer shield on this shard.. and the name should be something like Pit of Hell/ Ban world/ Wild West. 


Adapt to the legit players or go play in the cesspool.. seems to be a good solution for everyone.

PS: the idea is similar to Fenris, but just better imo.

Edit2: I'm saying cheaters, we should replace this word by superior being.. this is offensive in 2024.

Ill be working on a Chat Bot that knows all the mommy jokes and taunts, sell it to them, so it seems like players are there. NiCe DiE NoOb!

Back in the day we didn't have scripts in pvp we had some things hot keyed like pots and bandaids. Pvp back then was 100% skill based before Aos sure we had some meta builds

Like the mage killer lumber/macer and the Pkatana build and the archer/dexer and one of my favorite the poison fencer build.

Some builds just didn't match well with others and we lived with that. Once Aos came out and the game gear based all it became was Champ spawn patrol find someone doing on kill them wash rinse repeat.

What this game needs is pvp content like what we had on a private shard.

6 forts in fel each hour one was active had to get to the flag and raise your banner there was a chest it was locked it would fill up with goodies power scrolls, pinks, resources in commodity deed form gold checks and pvp based gear.

Everyone would fight at the fort to raise thier banner and be the one once the hour was up to get the fort key to open the chest. Man it was crazy seeing 50+ people fighting it out.

We added to it on high seas a mother ship would spawn everyone would get into ships head out and have to attack each other's boats once your boat was disabled you could board and fight. The goal was to bring the mother ship down board it and get the gold chest in its cargo hold and bring it to your boat and get to the port safely with the chest all the while everyone gunning for you. Disable your ship could board and steal the chest.

That's pvp content that's fun that's skill based that's not ganking a trammy 30 on 1 at a champ spawn and acting like it was some great thing we just did.. That's not pvp to me at all so I quit pvp a very long time ago. This game needs some fun pvp driven content. 

All those idea could be good @Minion552 first we need to make sure Trammel user feel free to come enjoy Felucca since they can win now..

Then some PR move to let know the mmorpg world UO is cleaner.. if legiter PvP can shine once more.. we can do all that stuff, since it won't be aim at the 5% superior being only.


Back then every single Trammel user would come from time to time to enjoy a good champ spawn.. today everyone seems to despice Felucca and for GOOD reasons.. wich were mainly address by BS recently.. give it the time and see how thing goes.

KroDuK said:

Someone suggested an official shard to ship all those cheaters.. an Official "free clients shard"

Edit: i don't need to state the obvious stuff like no transfer shield on this shard.. and the name should be something like Pit of Hell/ Ban world/ Wild West. 


Adapt to the legit players or go play in the cesspool.. seems to be a good solution for everyone.

PS: the idea is similar to Fenris, but just better imo.

Edit2: I'm saying cheaters, we should replace this word by superior being.. this is offensive in 2024.

yea something like this if they want to use other clients. I dont really care, if Pvp needs a revamp, if they need it just in Felucca, new server whatever it just cant affect/have a detrimental affect on everyone by doing it, which is why it was banned

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

Everyone needs to stop with the derogatory baiting that people who dont go to Felucca are somehow inferior or "chicken" etc etc which is what this implies. It isnt that, we just dont care about Pvp at all..

The whole original point of UO was that you could be whatever you wanted to be. There are roleplayers, crafters, miners, treasure hunters, tamers, mages, fighters, archers, fisherman, people who just like decorating houses....everyone needs to be accepted as a viable option within the game, but this is just turning into people who like to pvp vs those that dont...which isnt the point

But this also kindof hints at pvp being the problem that needs addressing

RecordDress saves all items the player has currently equipped except items in the left and right hand. Players can save up to four different suits of equipment.

Dress equips all items stored within the corresponding Record Dress macro. For example, Dress -> Dress1 equips items saved in Record Dress -> Record Dress1. Swaps out equipment in-use with the equipment specified.

Undress removes all items currently equipped and places those items within the players backpack.

RecordArm saves items currently equipped in the left and right hands. Players can save up to four different sets.

Disarm removes items in the left and right hand and places them within the players backpack.

Arm equips all items stored within the corresponding Record Arm macro. For example, Arm -> Arm1 equips items saved in Record Arm -> Record Arm1. Item slots which are already occupied will have their gear replaced.

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The addition (don't know how long ago -- maybe years) of blocking dismount in combat in the classic client was great. 

As another poster said, I do think peaking at what the private shards do that is popular is a good idea. I can't imagine the dev team is large and they have a ton of very different things to handle: cheating, multiple clients, new content, bugs, game balance, different play styles, and some toxic players. 

Lets not pretend that there are not some players whose playstyle revolves around trying to infuriate other players. Additionally, having players, like Cookie, rationalize cheating because they falsely report everyone was doing it or that people who pvp consented because they know how common cheating is does not match reality. The use agreement explicitly bars cheating and the applications he mentioned. I certainly wasn't running any scripts when I tried to do a Fel Champ. 

Also, this forum represents a tiny fraction of the players judging by the amount of houses versus unique active poster names here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but for players and metrics for paid accounts, it seems the best guesstimate is to run around shards and check the housing situation. If this blocking the illegal client(s) is a massive issue leading to an exodus, we should see a wave of IDOCs coming. 

Fenriswolf said:

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

To me it sounds like a you problem.. Already had this discussion on PoE with a softcore player.

Quote when I talk about trammies.. was I disrespectful or did u felt less, with no rationell, cuz I use the word trammies?

KroDuK said:

Fenriswolf said:

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

To me it sounds like a you problem.. Already had this discussion on PoE with a softcore player.

Quote when I talk about trammies.. was I disrespectful or did u felt less, with no rationell, cuz I use the word trammies?

apologies shouldnt have quoted you when i said that bit, was referring to someone else who i think is now banned

I mean don't waste your time with this dude.. he's clearly not all here. Full of himself but nothing to show off without his third client.

PS: fun fact.. the other person from PoE was telling me.. u are a hardcore player.. i'm a player.. there is not such thing as softcore player... I was like uh... sure!