Christmas Early, thank you Devs! HUGE

Seems like there was a MAJOR unannounced update pushed live to servers overnight. Discords are already fired up, people complaining, coping and seething. It's hilarious, people outing themselves all over the place. Funny, it was never about the resizable window or 60+fps LMAO, called it.

I checked an invasion town and holy cow the density is fantastic and no perceived lag. If this unannounced fix sticks we don't even need the Solen Hive.

If ya know ya know, and if you don't,  you won't be affected but just be excited and know this update is HUGE. Be prepared for great times. Unless you are affected then here's my message to you: I have no sympathy and you can f**k off to a different game; you are unwanted.

See, I give credit where credit's due.  @Kyronix or whoever had a hand in this, bravo.

Don’t b so cryptic & just spill da beans. I haven’t logged on to play in yrs bc of cheating... I’m not gonna be loggin in to figure out what ur hinting(prob wouldn’t even know what to look for) at so come clean for all of us that scan the forums but haven’t really played in close to a decade (bc any game where you have to cheat isn’t worth playing imho).

Hats going on!,,,, this I must know 

Acid_Rain said:

Don’t b so cryptic & just spill da beans. I haven’t logged on to play in yrs bc of cheating...

I'm being cryptic because I am not affected and no one really knows what's going on. I don't want to make more claims and then be completely wrong. Also, I'm following what a few discords and people in gen chat Atl are saying. It's possible it's a big bamboozle. However, if they're right, I'll say if you aren't playing because of cheaters... well, today might be your day to log in. And if it sticks, welcome back 🙂

JackFlashUk said:

Hats going on!,,,, this I must know 

Any bots on Legends? Atlantic? Go check. It's almost as if they've completely vanished over night and 99% of the problems with the ToTs on Atlantic have been solved. Note, it's only NA shards, European and Asian probably get this later today.

The cynic in me refuse to believe it.. I still refuse to launch this poo poo show; build up expectation.

At best it's gonna take couple hours to those illegal third party to update their stuff and back to normal.. I'll wait a couple days, to come back and see.

Cuz in my book.. what ever the dev does.. the hacker can undo real easy, real fast.. If the GM ain't banning them.. nothing going to change long term.. would be awesome if they go back into hidding.. u can't 100% eliminate it.. but at least limit it would be already great.. only ONE dude i fought was not frame skipping all over the place to protect his bots on Felucca. 


Knowing the patch day no play comes from cheaters.. cuz they have to wait for their own update.. You know.. see you in a couple of days.

The latest patch was a battle In the war on 3 party clients 

Grimbeard said:

The latest patch was a battle In the war on 3 party clients 

I haven’t logged in, in 2-3 days but I hope this is true.

It’s good to see them move address scripting / bottling players.

Wow. Just amazing 

I logged in, went to a city to listen to where the town cryer was telling me to go

It was in Brit. Went to Brit, hardly anyone bank sitting. Walked over to the spawn with no lag, proceeded to kill tons of mobs with no lag. A decent amount of people there, but no lag, plenty of mobs for everyone.


Bravo. Well done. This is the first this event has actually been playable for me


Thanks guys!!!

Bark_At_The_Moon said:

ChumboWumbo is 100% correct. it's just a matter of time until bots are back in full force. Better to ban them now to make them think twice before logging a illegal client into Broadswords UO in the future.

Even if I agree with you.. how BS manage UO for the past decade.. they can't start perma ban them like u said in your first sentence.

How many players didn't wanted to use bots or use illegal client but were push toward it by BS inaction..  try to PvP in 2024.. u cannot stay on top of the ennemy cuz these scums teleporting all over the place/frame skipping.. how many legit players did not go to war cuz of mesanna july post and just decided to use the same tools to start enjoying certain aspect of the game.. like highsea or PvP!

They not all lazy cheaters botting all their PvE and frame skipping their PvP.. even if they still cheats.
Like just go in heartwood.. same 4 bots 16/7 since june on Legends.. reported em at least 20 times.. Meanwhile look how legit user can get those heartwood runic dovetail saw.. this is a shame!! (bots owner selling them 9m.. personally only in mats it cost me 12-15m per.)
Wich mean i'm better buying them from botters than actually doing the content myself while selling the mats, plus those high end BODS are totally useless...

For example.. one of those frame skipper protecting his bots during the event was legit riding a 25 yrs old vet reward dragon mount. (this was their best mage.. he could never finish me 1v1.. cuz he's a bad cheater plus he died to me 1v1 getting stuck into mobs and pretended he lost connections)
This guy need to go back in hidding.. scripting on high sea, in his house.. but if i bust his ass multiboxing ararat or frame skipping in PvP and report him.. he should 100% be temp ban (at first) by a GM...

Like those videos I posted recently.. guildmates couldn't bot peacefully with me around so, instead of botting 3-4 account each while guarding the zone on their red.. they just decided to do an unattended train using CC auto follow heresy. (collecting reward only from necro boss while helping the attended train conductor PvPing vs AoE skills/spells/weapons.)
Without GMs taking action.. everything else is just temporary fireworks.

We still need to talk with mesanna. Cuz to me it's only PR.. temporary non solution. waiting for them to updates their cheat engine.

The word on the street (various discords) Is the 3rd party clients development team is working on fixing so we shall see

Bark_At_The_Moon said:

So at the moment I'm am all for banning any illegal client upon logon to broadswords UO.

This is the way!

It is the only way. Good post username.

@Bark_At_The_Moon Ignore me then.. you're on ATL.. i'm losing my mind on legends when I got ~10 bots on felucca + 3 human control character AT BEST..

I totally ignore the trammel city.. cuz it's WAY WORSE.. I pick my battle.. I wouldn't let them get more artifacts botting on Fel.. I was like if u wanna bot the event.. go on trammel!! (hypocritical but yeah.. pick your battle)

I can't even imagine how i'd felt on ATL... pretty sure my screen would already been broken.

I gotta say, the silence from the people that have clearly supported or used bots is absolutely deafening 



I will add that as a result, this definitely creates a real us vs them feeling. And, what incentive does a person have to pay for 19 accounts if they can now only control one at a time?


I am over the moon about being able to play, and feel like I'm finally playing in a fair environment. But the long term ramifications and implications this has will shake out eventually. Allowing this problem to fester for decades only makes it worse, and makes the actions taken today that much more difficult

firec said:

I will add that as a result, this definitely creates a real us vs them feeling.

Make some shard Legit.. give us a 2-3 semi zealous GM on a dead shard like Legends as prototype..
Make it a clear announcement; no more multibox, frame skipping, 16/7 grind like in the heartwood, etc.. If u do SUS stuff, make it so it's in your house/boat / to not be seen;reported.

Just acting on unattended like i've seen; someone on LS was botting sand in a dungeon while sleeping.. the GM just kick him out of the shard telling him; we do not do that here (he shared a screenshot on discord)... and yet not ALL of them.. like i prove recently; abusing the follow mechanic with unattended followers to help PvP while collecting free necro boss artifact.

Now we could say US vs THEM.. cuz right now.. let's be honest.. we are dumb (vs wise/stronger) for not using them.. like WTF am I doing, I got that alt accounts.. I could use it for more than storage and BODS.. in fact i should sub 2-3 more and "play"
With no GM intervention or ban waves.. I should be doing like them.. botting couple alts and frame skipping my PvP.

Grimbeard said:

The word on the street (various discords) Is the 3rd party clients development team is working on fixing so we shall see

Don't celebrate too soon, Jr.
They're already working on a fix. The rumor is spreading around those Discord channels—do you honestly think you can stop it? Three developers against an entire community? Seriously?

I agree, the bot is crazy; they definitely pushed the limits, if you can say that. But to ignore the fact that in 2024 the "O" is a not a better client than what we have now—or the laggy, bug-filled web version—I don't know what world you're living in.  I am all for they make a special version of the "O" without the script part

I think @Kyronix idea was to make UO with no PVP.  Great Job and well done. I hope you keep the tab, because UO is about to loose a huge amount of paid customers that will probably just go to a better designed free shard. If that was the intention, great job

@king just a question but if nobody is using scripts why can’t you still PvP like we used to way back. I’m not trying to be confrontational
seems now it’s who has the best script wins from what I understand 

King said:

Three developers against an entire community? Seriously?

What a cope.

King said:

I think @ Kyronix idea was to make UO with no PVP.  Great Job and well done. I hope you keep the tab, because UO is about to loose a huge amount of paid customers that will probably just go to a better designed free shard. If that was the intention, great job

ahhh make sense when u read his second post. Do not let the door hit you on your way out.. you're welcome to come back PvP without the little automated wheels on and frame skipping off.. nab!

Something happened last night.  Lost connection and logon stuck when I tried to get back in.  Got out of UO after awhile so I could restart the program.  Could not restart it for at least a half hour.  Kept getting a UO related error message.  Since I was battling a para at the time thought I lost my drops since it would have killed my toon and i was not able to get back on.  When the system finally came backup, found my toon back home with an intact backpack including the drops.  Have to thank UO for taking care of that.  But for sure something major happened.

It's a bandaid for a gun shot wound. AI Bots like SIMA and GMB making thier way into the mainstream it's a matter of time.

The only fix is to permanently ban accounts caught cheating if they keep losing accounts they will either stop and play normally cause they like UO or they will go to the next game they can bot in either way problem solved.

Devs can not spend all thier time trying to find ways to stop them and a few days later have to do it again and again and again. Take all their time and everyone will lose.

Minion552 said:

Devs can not spend all thier time trying to find ways to stop them and a few days later have to do it again and again and again. Take all their time and everyone will lose.

It's a mmorpg.. way easier to punish people that if it was a free FPS or RTS.. u can hit them where it hurt (their gold and items)

Perma ban not always the best solution.. specially in this case.. Unlike FPS and RTS we have a chance for a cleaner game.. your dooms talk about AI.. u forgot to mention it's a blade that can cut both side.. dev studio could also train their own AI (like NCSoft or activision been doing) to detect them cheaters.

PS: fun fact NCSoft AI is soo good at detecting.. they morph it into an aviation system to detect other plane trajectory and all then sold it to their own governement.

https://kr.ncsoft.com/en/pr/newsDetail/5445.do

TL;DR: 

• NCSOFT signs with the Korea Aviation Meteorological Office to support the weather forecast text generation powered by AI technology.
• It is the first case that NCSOFT’s generative AI and language models are directly applied in the public sector.
  

KroDuK said:

Minion552 said:

Devs can not spend all thier time trying to find ways to stop them and a few days later have to do it again and again and again. Take all their time and everyone will lose.

It's a mmorpg.. way easier to punish people that if it was a free FPS or RTS.. u can hit them where it hurt (their gold and items)

Perma ban not always the best solution.. specially in this case.. Unlike FPS and RTS we have a chance for a cleaner game.. your dooms talk about AI.. u forgot to mention it's a blade that can cut both side.. dev studio could also train their own AI (like NCSoft or activision been doing) to detect them cheaters.

Maybe if UO was turning a better size profit they could invest in AI detection but we can't even stop script botting so not gonna hold my breath they will detect advanced AI botting.

Perma ban sends a strong message that they won't tolerate it any longer it's not a long term fix but it will get quick results and that to me is the lesser of 2 evils right now. 

I play on shard where really only have a few (luckily) but we started seeing it more and more recently as people begin to leave the pop shards in search of smaller shards that have no competition it's spilling over and that concerns me greatly.

Minion552 said:

Maybe if UO was turning a better size profit they could invest in AI detection but we can't...

Do you think arena net ain't getting NCSoft tech?

BS = EA.. right EA ain't microsoft/activision but compare to NCSoft.. they pretty much playing in the same league.


PS: for perma ban.. I think it's dumb specially after decade of non enforcing.. u want perma ban.. cuz your a cheater and you hope it create a mass exodus.. punish cheater.. they addicted.. they gonna stick around and the game gonna get better and more fun.. so more players gonna come back.. IF those cheater are kept in check.. make the game worth playing.. instead of just botting it... people gonna stick around.. not only old cheaters killing the game for others.

Realised also CC ain't adapted to 2024.. and EC.. well this is a better KR.. but yeah.. and I skip on the discord client.. not worth talking imo.

I've seen a couple dude multiboxing and clearly botting.. like a dude taming CU sidh.. he had a bard on the auto heals a sampire on the auto fight while he was playing the tamer.. the dude was legit sharing the spot with me (if i'm there he won't come take the zone.. cuz he could off.. easy!)

Realising the state of the CC client on an older game.. pretty sure this dude is 60+ yes he's cheating but meanwhile he's helping noob (at one point he was helping me trying to get what i needed)

The problems is that dude hunting oni with 10 multibox account on top of each others.. clearly not attended.. if he was he was clearly botting returning on the exact same pixel after every kills for hourss.. the frame skipper in PvP and the legions of bot during the events..

For YEARS there was a navigation line well known to train your characters (afk with a loop) those person ain't the problem imo.. they never were.


Without cheater.. no one would sell simple thing like potions 

Ban em all! Good job devs! 

Y'all clearly under estimate the extend of the problem.. maybe it's because i play mostly on Fel.. but i'm not lying only 1 dude on the 15+ characters i fought since june, was not frame skipping.. 1/15 from my own experience was legit.


To me I take it the same as the Free Player Killer problem.. we need them.. but if they are more than ~5% of your community it's a problem.. same for those cheaters.. we need them to a certain extend (EX: to sell potion to non crafter) or the dude helping the noob not hurting anyone nor selling for profit.. he just got his own little army (like y'all must be doing on high sea.. no way y'all playing legit on CC on high sea)

Plus we all know u cannot entirely eliminate them.. just draw an unofficial line.. if it's not for profit, your not ruining anyone else experience nor PvP.. do as u want u know, just don't be too obvious with it... like that tamer on CU sidh.. u could think it's 3 different dude playing.. but when u start looking u realised only one was controlled.. if that dude was not sharing nor helping with his 10 accounts multiboxing on the same pixel.. it look ridiculous for the game and sending the wrong message.

King said:

I think @ Kyronix idea was to make UO with no PVP.  Great Job and well done. I hope you keep the tab, because UO is about to loose a huge amount of paid customers that will probably just go to a better designed free shard. If that was the intention, great job

Pfft get out of here with that.

if you needed scripts to PVP you sucked anyways.

I did not get a patch on Either Classic client, that I noticed.

I guess we shall see who is using what programs if this lasts more than a day.  We have some very homemade trains.

I don't understand how 5 players hitting 1 to 2 hit mobs gets more drops than 1 or 2 players in a group.

Pawain said:

I don't understand how 5 players hitting 1 to 2 hit mobs gets more drops than 1 or 2 players in a group.

It's a dumb mechanic to encourage grouping.. (in my opinion the best way to encourage grouping is harder PvE)

But everytime i've seen it implemented.. other than the WoW raid zone models.. wich I hate.. forcing 24-40 losers together for the best reward.. I can do 12 max if they have mechanic within the dungeon forcing us to split.

The worst i've seen was on tESO.. on one hand u had the lead game designer asking us to disperse in cyrodiil to help with the lag.. on the other hands  a group of 24 people was getting 10% faction point bonus per action.


Here it only make sense.. cuz the PvE is sooooo easy (sampire and tamer are steam rolling)
If they try to give a boost to friends playing together.. not cuz they have to.. just to enjoy more lucks and having a good time together.

If I can solo something.. you're on the zone.. I need to share my loot.. if there is down time.. u better just waiting to solo.. here u better grouping o boost your luck.
Pretty sure this was the idea.

but yeah.. this is without considering.. or 100% intended; all those third party users.

Minion552 said:

The only fix is to permanently ban accounts caught cheating if they keep losing accounts they will either stop and play normally cause they like UO or they will go to the next game they can bot in either way problem solved.

Bark_At_The_Moon said:

I think one of the driving reasons for the rise of bots and why people want to bot with multiple accounts was the change to party loot.

Not sure abt any change to party loot since I haven’t played UO in seriously like 10yrs (I refuse to play when cheating is so rampant)... but the situation you were explaining was in the game +15yrs ago. Back in the day we would farm Lady Mel in a party, keep party up the entire time & do what we called ‘rotating corpse loots’.

Everyone in our group would get one entire corpse loot to themselves & we’d cycle 3 or more times. We’d all wear max luck suits, stay partied, & when she dropped ONLY the person designated that rotation would approach her corpse. Everyone else... back the F off, don’t even go near it so there was no possibility for shenanigans. My bros all followed the plan & we got some of the best loot ingame at the time. The volume & quality of loot was CrAzY better then anything anyone would ever get not partied.

Not to say there hasn’t been some loot update but that mechanic you were talking abt has been around for a looooong time.

Also, thanks everyone (OP !) for adding more detail as to whats going on... much appreciated. Super glad to see Dev team doing something legit w impact, even if short lived... guess we’ll see.

THANK YOU UO TEAM FOR YOUR ACTION !! 

Ps., I wouldn’t be opposed to reading cheaters complaining abt bans, just a thought

Keep in mind they did the same thing in ~july.. the difference is in july u had A LOT of complaint from those third party users on the forum.. telling them they killing the game and a lot of cheater had quit the game already.. refusing to play on the inferior CC.

This time it's the opposite, very few complaint and tons of cheers.. I suspect those cheers is because of the event actually going on and I feel like people do not complaint cuz they don't want to lose their tons of heretic items they been grinding for free past ~2weeks.. they just waiting like good little boy for the update to restart the machine.

KroDuK said:
This time it's the opposite, very few complaint and tons of cheers.. I suspect those cheers is because

It's because they've allowed us to use a client that isn't a semi-abandoned piece of crap. I was pretty much the loudest person in the world about this before, but now that I have a decent client to use I hope they ban every botter and then go to their houses and slap them in the mouths.

Pawain said:

I did not get a patch on Either Classic client, that I noticed.

I guess we shall see who is using what programs if this lasts more than a day.  We have some very homemade trains.

I don't understand how 5 players hitting 1 to 2 hit mobs gets more drops than 1 or 2 players in a group.

Depending on the mob, like a paragon, each of the 5 has a chance at a drop vs 1-2.

clearly the one hit mobs don’t apply but in most cases here 5 characters would still come out ahead of 1-2.  However if there’s enough spawn density, each can target their own smaller mob.

Either way, hope this lasts.  It was a nice move and I applaud it.

After checking around a dozen times cities I can't believe the difference this has made at the ToTs:

• ALL bot sampires that were there 24/7 are GONE.
• 98% of archers/throwers standing still in large groups are GONE, still a few people standing still and few people running auto follow
• NO lag
• Large groups of monsters just sitting there, ripe for the pick-ins, although towns that sucked before still suck
• People saying in gen chat they've gathered more artifacts just today than during the rest of the event so far (!!)

ATL ToT is almost a ghost town, whereas just last night monsters were dying before they spawned. Amazing how many people used these clients as crutches for RMT. Please, I hope this change sticks!

Lord_Nythrax said:

It's because they've allowed us to use a client that isn't a semi-abandoned piece of crap.

Good point.

Lord_Nythrax said:

go to their houses and slap t...

 😂 

username said:

Please, I hope this change sticks!

I envy your optimism. 

I just can't log in to play enjoy myself.. the reality train gonna hit way harder after getting a good BS sample.. hopefully it does.

LilyGrace said:

Minion552 said:

The only fix is to permanently ban accounts caught cheating if they keep losing accounts they will either stop and play normally cause they like UO or they will go to the next game they can bot in either way problem solved.

I was thinking about this point before I read your post. I can only guess, based on how I see many players running those trains behaving, they've no room in their heads for anything else other than running and killing as much and as fast as possible ALL. THE. TIME. Like, there's NOTHING else. Maybe they're different when ToT events aren't running. But what I see is they've no regard for the spirit of playing a multiplayer game. They never stop. They never talk. They never help. They have appalling manners and offer no courtesies to anyone. 

I want to stress I'm not talking about all players who run characters with other characters on follow. I've seen plenty of folks doing that who are still engaged with the bigger picture and the players around them. Those I described know who they are. They can't be oblivious to how they're behaving and being perceived. Am I glad to see them forced to take a break? For sure.

Where you say, they'll either keep playing because they love UO, or they'll bail if they can't satisfy whatever it is that motivates them to play a multiplayer game in such an egocentric way, is what I was most specifically thinking about. I'm sad to think there would be nothing of interest to keep them if they can't continue to play like they have been. The last thing anyone wants is a smaller UO population.

I've enjoyed UO throughout its many iterations. If there ever is a forever fix to botting I hope the players who've lost the capacity will stick around and find a way to enjoy themselves again. Maybe even in a way that's connected to the human thread woven into the game.

I did go on to say in a reply a lesser of 2 evils and it stinks that it is that way. But the ethical question is of moral standing "If botting is against TOS then it should be I'm all forms punished for the infraction" 

They put them on a time out at best we will see 48 hours of peace from the Bots, they will find a way around it and be back in full swing. 

I rather have wished they would have done this on Friday giving us the weekend with no Bots. I am with you that lower population is a unwanted side effect to this but same time so many players quit the game cause of it and would return if it was enforced.

That and the Devs have been given a blueprint to get more people to engage and play the game. Most MMOs see a huge spike in subs with weekend events the math is there the data shows it but I feel deep down they gatekeep this game for the small % of people who either spend big money or the silent loudest voice in the room. 

I played this game for 26 years now I seen it at its best and worst and right now seeing how little effort is put into the overall direction it's sad. 

Minion552 said:

I played this game for 26 years now I seen it at its best and worst and right now seeing how little effort is put into the overall direction it's sad. 

I mean with NL launching, the multi part event they been cooking, on top of the rest i hvn't seen (artisan and krampus) cuz i'm gross out by the bot, frame skipper and the management..

I kinda disagree.. they been cooking.. but the pub was infested of cockroaches.. they could cook the best food.. we wouldn't know.

Say what u want.. the effort is there.. is it place on the good element? I would argue it's not.. but they clearly trying/cooking, but yeah..

Minion552 said:

I did go on to say in a reply a lesser of 2 evils and it stinks that it is that way. But the ethical question is of moral standing "If botting is against TOS then it should be I'm all forms punished for the infraction" 

Once more.. i would compare third party with FPK.. not all Player Killer is a toxic griefer.

god damn 100+

WTG pimp! Hopefully it stays like that!!

I wouldn't mind dying a few time down there ^^

PS: i was averaging 13-19 on the paladin and 24-30 on the samp personally per city invasion.. vanilla with minimal luck

PlayerSkillFTW said:

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It's crazy. Night and day difference between last night and tonight on Atlantic. Once again showing how massive and widespread these cheater clients were. I've been calling it for years; they disallow these cheater clients from connecting and you're going to fix 99% of the cheating in your game overnight, and that's what we're seeing.

The cheaters hate this one simple trick.

although, I'm not sure I agree with your final sentence, but that's not a discussion for here  :P

ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL!!!!!  

Going from something horrible to just amazing 

WELL DONE

please I hope this blocks them  as Username said above this change shows just how widespread this cheating was

We all knew it, but we can SEE 

username said:

After checking around a dozen times cities I can't believe the difference this has made at the ToTs:

• ALL bot sampires that were there 24/7 are GONE.
• 98% of archers/throwers standing still in large groups are GONE, still a few people standing still and few people running auto follow
• NO lag
• Large groups of monsters just sitting there, ripe for the pick-ins, although towns that sucked before still suck
• People saying in gen chat they've gathered more artifacts just today than during the rest of the event so far (!!)

ATL ToT is almost a ghost town, whereas just last night monsters were dying before they spawned. Amazing how many people used these clients as crutches for RMT. Please, I hope this change sticks!

People saying in gen chat they've gathered more artifacts just today than during the rest of the event so far (!!)

popps said:

username said:

After checking around a dozen times cities I can't believe the difference this has made at the ToTs:

• ALL bot sampires that were there 24/7 are GONE.
• 98% of archers/throwers standing still in large groups are GONE, still a few people standing still and few people running auto follow
• NO lag
• Large groups of monsters just sitting there, ripe for the pick-ins, although towns that sucked before still suck
• People saying in gen chat they've gathered more artifacts just today than during the rest of the event so far (!!)

ATL ToT is almost a ghost town, whereas just last night monsters were dying before they spawned. Amazing how many people used these clients as crutches for RMT. Please, I hope this change sticks!

People saying in gen chat they've gathered more artifacts just today than during the rest of the event so far (!!)

If this is the case, would that mean that the Town Invasion Event has a "pool" of the number of Artifact drops that can drop to players throughout each single invasion (like a CAPPED amount of drops) and that, with BOTs active, they take away from the other players most of the drops from this CAPPED amount of drops leaving only a few for the other players to share with while, with BOTs gone, the entire "pool" of Artifacts drops remains at full disposal to the remaining (non-BOTs) players who, consequentially, can enjoy a highered rate of their Artifacts drops ?

Does anyone know ?

no idea

just play the game and stop thinking up questions

you might not have long before the illegal program updates, so grab as much as you can


I can't imagine Skara and Trinsic will have the same amount of mobs, so I would assume it's random. 

just go kill stuff, a lot of stuff

popps said:

If this is the case, would that mean that the Town Invasion Event has a "pool" of the number of Artifact drops that can drop to players throughout each single invasion (like a CAPPED amount of drops) and that, with BOTs active, they take away from the other players most of the drops from this CAPPED amount of drops leaving only a few for the other players to share with while, with BOTs gone, the entire "pool" of Artifacts drops remains at full disposal to the remaining (non-BOTs) players who, consequentially, can enjoy a highered rate of their Artifacts drops ?

Does anyone know ?

Bro, what? No, that's not the logical conclusion at all. Where would you get that from? Occam's razor, I read this as:

"I haven't been able to get anything done while there were bots or felt like competing against the bots. Now that they are no more I was able to find monster that weren't dying instantly, giving me a chance to kill stuff and collect items."

@popps
In my opinion you and username saying the same thing.

username said:

"I haven't been able to get anything done while there were bots or felt like competing against the bots. Now that they are no more I was able to find monster that weren't dying instantly, giving me a chance to kill stuff and collect items."

popps said:

with BOTs active, they take away from the other players most of the drops from this CAPPED amount of drops leaving only a few for the other players to share with while, with BOTs gone, the entire "pool" of Artifacts drops remains at full disposal to the remaining (non-BOTs) players who, consequentially, can enjoy a highered rate of their Artifacts drops?

When popps mention the "pool" it's not a real numerous hard cap per say.. but the more person on the zone the more spawn there is.. knowing y'all on ATL was capping that pool with the legion of bots.. assuming u both playing on ATL.. both of your text got the same conclusion.

Personally on Legends with ~12 toon on zone (80% were botted most of the time) I could get 11-13 artifacts per invasion.. alone it was like 16-19 and with 3-4 real person (like day 1; before the bots took over Fel city) i could get 22+ on the paladin. cuz we would work together on necro boss and not messing other real human spawn.. If u see one toon turning left.. u'd turn right; except if there was a big beast like a skeletal drake or an undead garg paragon... personally i would stop and help.. We were even calling necro boss location; for trammel users to join us (more artifact for everyone)


But yeah when Popps saying there was a "hardcap" on artifact he's not 100% wrong.. just consider the luck/ RNG.. that hardcap was not a specific numerous value of artifacts.. but a numbers of mobs per persona, yes. and that cap vary depending on the city.

This is why u could tell off the bat ants tunnel would be the best zone to do the tchou tchou train for those cheater, on top of being 24/7 and legit couldn't compete with them.. they couldn't even annoy them cuz it's only on trammel.

King said:

I think @ Kyronix idea was to make UO with no PVP.  Great Job and well done. I hope you keep the tab, because UO is about to loose a huge amount of paid customers that will probably just go to a better designed free shard. If that was the intention, great job

Kyronix already mentioned in another post that less than 5% of players are doing this event in Fel. If 95% of players are preferring to do events in Tram, there must be a very niche PvP following in this game. The later is more likely based on how dead Fel tends to be.

If the game can't survive 5% of the accounts closing, there is something bigger at play. There are probably people who prefer PvE/Tram that spend ~10 monthly account payments worth of money on chromatic totems alone in a single month.

Also, just so I'm clear, are you claiming that if PvPers can't cheat/use scripting/unapproved clients, then they'll leave the game?

Rhel said:

King said:

I think @ Kyronix idea was to make UO with no PVP.  Great Job and well done. I hope you keep the tab, because UO is about to loose a huge amount of paid customers that will probably just go to a better designed free shard. If that was the intention, great job

Kyronix already mentioned in another post that less than 5% of players are doing this event in Fel. If 95% of players are preferring to do events in Tram, there must be a very niche PvP following in this game. The later is more likely based on how dead Fel tends to be.

If the game can't survive 5% of the accounts closing, there is something bigger at play. There are probably people who prefer PvE/Tram that spend ~10 monthly account payments worth of money on chromatic totems alone in a single month.

Also, just so I'm clear, are you claiming that if PvPers can't cheat/use scripting/unapproved clients, then they'll leave the game?

If so...



PEACE!

The irony in all that.. we gonna have way more than 5% if people can come on Felucca and have a chance to zerg the legit toxic PvPers.. since they can't frame skip all over the map with a tons of automated actions.

Long term we gonna have way more than 5% cuz people won't be force to cheats to survive.

And once more.. most of them are addicted and got a way too big of E-EGO to stop cuz they cannot cheat anymore.. this is their life in most case; couple of these gonna reinstall stuff like UOA.

Empty threat from an insecure, unskill toxic folk; it's easy to say u will stop playing when your cheat engine still ain't patch. (knowing it's gonna come back.. u only taking a force vacation cuz u cannot PvP without your little automated wheels and frame skipping.
All u have to do is hide it.. u can keep cheating.. but don't be like cookie.. When I hear someone flexing on general.. I mean dude.. u don't even control your character plus flying all over the place with a heal bot pocket.. grats u killed me.. but i still win.. cuz you're a loser.

KroDuK said:

Empty threat from an insecure, unskill toxic folk; it's easy to say u will stop playing when your cheat engine still ain't patch. (knowing it's gonna come back.. u only taking a force vacation cuz u cannot PvP without your little automated wheels and frame skipping.
All u have to do is hide it.. u can keep cheating.. but don't be like cookie.. When I hear someone flexing on general.. I mean dude.. u don't even control your character plus flying all over the place with a heal bot pocket.. grats u killed me.. but i still win.. cuz you're a loser.

Did this actually happen?

Do you play Europa, did I kill you like this, or are you again pinning all the previous negative experiences in your life on me?

If it happened, I find it quite amusing, and at least understand your forum posts.
If it didn't happen, I am as confused about your posts as ever. 🙂

Cookie said:

Did this actually happen?

Do you play Europa, did I kill you like this, or are you again pinning all the previous negative experiences in your life on me?

If it happened, I find it quite amusing, and at least understand your forum posts.
If it didn't happen, I am as confused about your posts as ever. 🙂

To be fair.. I had your last taunt on nythrax in mind.. the same one u edited 10+ time in 60min to end up deleting entirely (cuz of my sharp response)

You were telling him.. who wins.. your easy push to win sampire or me with my fleet of throwers.. flexing to him u had gathered a tons of artifacts and him almost nothing... without even considering all the rest u've said or got exposed to.

PS: u were legit FLEXING on him cuz u were using bots/ illegal third party to collect artifact (on OFFICIAL FORUM) when he couldn't get any on ATL cuz of those said bots with his legit "easy to win" sampire.. I was like.. what a big L.

PS2: the cheaters on Legends.. had no will to fight me after day 5 (after chassing me for 4 days non stop; i wouldn't back down while upgrading my suit and getting back my timings).. they wanted to be able to farm peacefully fel city on their bots at this point (wich they could have done with the ants tunnel/new best zone for this event).. cuz i had turn on the offensive.. I was still winning against them considering i'm legit (same number of death and kill; alone vs many).. then they started doing unattended train to protect themselves and dropping racist comment when i would flex on them for killing and robbing their bots guerilla style.


Edit: flash news.. when u compete at the highest tier possible and u've dealt with cheaters.. it mean u've seen them all. You can keep denying it.. but i can read you like an open book. 


Meanwhile u can't even be sure if u really killed me using a bot pocket healer

Cookie said:

If it happened, I find it quite amusing, and at least understand your forum posts.

U legit doing it (flexing cheater vs legit) while denying it.. total madness

Man.


I decided to login to the discord server for these scripters... It's such an interesting environment. A mix of desperation, fear, anger, denial. Them trying to find ways to pay some random dude in Russia to support their cheating efforts is absolutely insane to me. These poor people have lost touch with reality, and are literally addicted to cheating, and the amounts of money being discussed to support it are unreal.

Could you imagine playing other games with these people? "I don't want to play monopoly with you unless I start with owning all the property and 10000 dollars in my bank". 



There's a whole lot of folks saying, if I can't cheat I don't want to play.  That's such an, I'm going to take my ball and go home attitude

Well good, I didn't want to play with you anyway

firec said:

Could you imagine playing other games with these people? "I don't want to play monopoly with you unless I start with owning all the property and 10000 dollars in my bank". 

I'm ashame to admit it.. but as a kid.. I wouldn't play monopoly with my big sister if i was not the banker.. DO NOT ASK ME WHY! 

firec said:

Man.


I decided to login to the discord server for these scripters... It's such an interesting environment. A mix of desperation, fear, anger, denial. Them trying to find ways to pay some random dude in Russia to support their cheating efforts is absolutely insane to me. These poor people have lost touch with reality, and are literally addicted to cheating, and the amounts of money being discussed to support it are unreal.

KroDuK said:

firec said:

Could you imagine playing other games with these people? "I don't want to play monopoly with you unless I start with owning all the property and 10000 dollars in my bank". 

I'm ashame to admit it.. but as a kid.. I wouldn't play monopoly with my big sister if i was not the banker.. DO NOT ASK ME WHY! 

That $500 dollar bill that “accidentally got pushed up under their side of the board.” Same as the rest of our older siblings did if we let them be the banker. 

I am stoked about how proactive the dev team has suddenly become. It almost feels like someone above Bonnie said you have to let someone else try a hand here and then gave Kyronix a chance to call the shots the last few months. Whatever it is it is awesome and keep it up. I just bought my 4th purchase of sovereigns for the month because voting with dollars seems to be the most effective way nowadays.

1.5 plat worth the votes lost …
wasn’t very effective just saying. 
And there is a lot of talk about people quitting over the changes I hope they just adapt instead tho 

Why wasn't this done earlier? Years ago?

Did we just finally learn how much complaining it takes before the devs are convinced to act?

Not complaining at all, just planning ahead for the next thing that comes around.

I thought Broadsword did try to contact the owner of that program but were told he was not supporting it anymore, so they went with ClassicUO.  

That's funny, players want to pay him to upgrade at each patch.  Keep doing whatever messes them up Devs!  We are fine with having to patch for 10 seconds before we begin the day!

Also it seems that this game that is declared dead regularly has enough interest to support multiple peoples income.  Dead? hmmm.

firec said:

Man.


I decided to login to the discord server for these scripters... It's such an interesting environment. A mix of desperation, fear, anger, denial. Them trying to find ways to pay some random dude in Russia to support their cheating efforts is absolutely insane to me. These poor people have lost touch with reality, and are literally addicted to cheating, and the amounts of money being discussed to support it are unreal.

Could you imagine playing other games with these people? "I don't want to play monopoly with you unless I start with owning all the property and 10000 dollars in my bank". 



There's a whole lot of folks saying, if I can't cheat I don't want to play.  That's such an, I'm going to take my ball and go home attitude

Well good, I didn't want to play with you anyway

That’s crazy, I want to bask in this also.
 

Vecna said:

I am stoked about how proactive the dev team has suddenly become. It almost feels like someone above Bonnie said you have to let someone else try a hand here and then gave Kyronix a chance to call the shots the last few months. Whatever it is it is awesome and keep it up. I just bought my 4th purchase of sovereigns for the month because voting with dollars seems to be the most effective way nowadays.

Oreogl said:

Vecna said:

I am stoked about how proactive the dev team has suddenly become. It almost feels like someone above Bonnie said you have to let someone else try a hand here and then gave Kyronix a chance to call the shots the last few months. Whatever it is it is awesome and keep it up. I just bought my 4th purchase of sovereigns for the month because voting with dollars seems to be the most effective way nowadays.

Yes it’s definitely been a quality adjustment.

Bought sovereigns earlier, bonus that they had a slight discount.  Will probably buy more tomorrow.

What discount?  They are 49.99 for 5000 for me.

Pawain said:

Oreogl said:

Vecna said:

I am stoked about how proactive the dev team has suddenly become. It almost feels like someone above Bonnie said you have to let someone else try a hand here and then gave Kyronix a chance to call the shots the last few months. Whatever it is it is awesome and keep it up. I just bought my 4th purchase of sovereigns for the month because voting with dollars seems to be the most effective way nowadays.

Yes it’s definitely been a quality adjustment.

Bought sovereigns earlier, bonus that they had a slight discount.  Will probably buy more tomorrow.

What discount?  They are 49.99 for 5000 for me.

You have to checkout to get the 10% discount.

No discount for me...  I purchased and no discount after.  Guess I need that backpack!

Pawain said:

No discount for me...  I purchased and no discount after.  Guess I need that backpack!

Pawain said:

I thought Broadsword did try to contact the owner of that program but were told he was not supporting it anymore, so they went with ClassicUO.  

That's funny, players want to pay him to upgrade at each patch.  Keep doing whatever messes them up Devs!  We are fine with having to patch for 10 seconds before we begin the day!

Also it seems that this game that is declared dead regularly has enough interest to support multiple peoples income.  Dead? hmmm.

I get the same as @Pawain no discount ???

Oreogl said:

Pawain said:

No discount for me...  I purchased and no discount after.  Guess I need that backpack!

Weird this was mine.

Are you an EA Play subscriber?

Skett said:

no

My question was directed at Oreogl. EA Play subscribers get 10% discounts on EA digital purchases, including games, points packs, and DLCs. I was never sure if it counts toward UO items, but it could be why Oreogl is getting a 10% discount:

https://www.ea.com/ea-play/member-benefits

I thought the EA play only worked for games that are not UO.  But ya, we need to know if @Oreogl has it.  Then they will take UO off it. Lol

Pawain said:

I thought the EA play only worked for games that are not UO.  But ya, we need to know if @ Oreogl has it.  Then they will take UO off it. Lol

I also thought it didn't work for UO, but maybe its Christmas time? Not sure the $5-15 extra a month would justify the 10% discount for me personally though.

If they had some discounted Holiday Sovereign packages, I'd definitely stock up though! lol

EA Play works for UO stuff, 100%.

Well that is good news because UO is always left out of sales that go on thru the year.

And there probably will be quite a few that subscribe to it for that.  Thanks

King said:

Pawain said:

I thought Broadsword did try to contact the owner of that program but were told he was not supporting it anymore, so they went with ClassicUO.  

That's funny, players want to pay him to upgrade at each patch.  Keep doing whatever messes them up Devs!  We are fine with having to patch for 10 seconds before we begin the day!

Also it seems that this game that is declared dead regularly has enough interest to support multiple peoples income.  Dead? hmmm.

this is BS

Bonnie NEVER contacted him, at all

The idea of a paid version/subscription of the program without any scripting involved was also suggested and as usual no one , no one, no one answered

Because no one can find the Russian.

username said:

EA Play works for UO stuff. 100%.

Thanks for the confirmation! So, I guess if you play other EA games and/or spend more than $60 a month on sovereigns it might be worth it.

Do you know if the discount count toward the subscription? 

Pawain said:

I thought the EA play only worked for games that are not UO.  But ya, we need to know if @ Oreogl has it.  Then they will take UO off it. Lol

No not that I’m aware of 



edit: looked at the shop again it does say EA Play.  

Rhel said:

username said:

EA Play works for UO stuff. 100%.

Thanks for the confirmation! So, I guess if you play other EA games and/or spend more than $60 a month on sovereigns it might be worth it.

Do you know if the discount count toward the subscription? 

As far as I'm aware yes, it works for everything on the store including game time.

username said:

Rhel said:

username said:

EA Play works for UO stuff. 100%.

Thanks for the confirmation! So, I guess if you play other EA games and/or spend more than $60 a month on sovereigns it might be worth it.

Do you know if the discount count toward the subscription? 

As far as I'm aware yes, it works for everything on the store including game time.

It must but now I have to figure out why I have it.

i didn’t actively subscribe to it

Oreogl said:

It must but now I have to figure out why I have it.

i didn’t actively subscribe to it

EA Play coming to Microsoft Game Pass members ?

Arroth_Thaiel said:

Oreogl said:

It must but now I have to figure out why I have it.

i didn’t actively subscribe to it

EA Play coming to Microsoft Game Pass members ?

That’s interesting, it could be?  I don’t play any other games but the kids might have this.

Thanks for the link!

Clearly worth it if u plan on restocking sovereign. 1 buck for 10% on UO store (next 14 days)

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Yep, just did Solen Hive on Atlantic during prime time, and got 100+ drops in an hour with a Sampire with 2,900 Luck and a Potion of Glorious Fortune, 100% legit Classic Client. I was so enthusiastic about the lack of bots, that i bought Sovereigns and Potions of Glorious Fortune to take full advantage of the lack of bots. I encountered only one bot train down there, and that was the only time i lagged down there. The bots were 100% responsible for the lag on Atlantic, and for crowding out legit players from the event. On Atlantic, there used to be a bot on every street corner and a bot behind every blade of grass. Not anymore, at least not for now.

Fel is quiet on Atlantic too. The usual shit talkers have completely disappeared from the PvP scene until their cheating clients get updated.

I mean 100+ drop per hour.. soon enough @PlayerSkillFTW gonna replace the bots to make ~90m per hour (900k per artifact)

but the huge difference is u can now PLAY the damn thing.

Well then give us back our corpses no one person has paid thus far

+1 for me
+1 for @LilyGrace
+1000 for those too afraid to say they loot corpses because that is vocally hated around here.
  

No. Atlantic has only now finally become sort of playable, but it's still teetering on the edge. The lag is only tolerable by event standards. Go farm pennies somewhere else.

You're such a ****

LilyGrace said:

You're such a ****

Forums need a Like button. You'd win.

@Kyronix - why are you listening to that player?

I kinda agree with Cookie on this one but i'd thumbs up this one:

Lord_Nythrax said:

Go farm pennies somewhere else.

 😂 


Lily was that weirdo selling vegetables at brit bank for hours to earn litteral pennies.. the best kind of weirdo (RP)

I thought u were both friendly bantering.. I respect the grind of stopping and taking the time to loot when u actively losing good money/artifact.. it's all about immersion and fun.

Personally I decided to use the paladin instead of the sampire to feel the invasion; losing profit.

When i was buying those vegetable from that lady with her vedgies stand at brit bank.. she was like give me 500 gold (some were "rare" drop from titan)

To each their own immersion/fun.

LilyGrace said:

You're such a ****

Kudos to those of you in the discord that are self aware:

Pawain said:

King said:

Pawain said:

I thought Broadsword did try to contact the owner of that program but were told he was not supporting it anymore, so they went with ClassicUO.  

That's funny, players want to pay him to upgrade at each patch.  Keep doing whatever messes them up Devs!  We are fine with having to patch for 10 seconds before we begin the day!

Also it seems that this game that is declared dead regularly has enough interest to support multiple peoples income.  Dead? hmmm.

this is BS

Bonnie NEVER contacted him, at all

The idea of a paid version/subscription of the program without any scripting involved was also suggested and as usual no one , no one, no one answered

Because no one can find the Russian.

He probably got conscripted and died in Ukraine. Either that, or EA finally issued him a "Cease & Desist" and threatened to sue him.

username said:

Kudos to those of you in the discord that are self aware:

username said:

Kudos to those of you in the discord that are self aware:

Why does he call them PvPers?
BvBotters ain't no PvPers!

Where they at right now? no bots; no PvP? 

Cookie said:

LilyGrace said:

You're such a dick

Forums need a Like button. You'd win.

@ Kyronix - why are you listening to that player?

@Lord_Nythrax
Because I'm brilliant and great, and everything I say is smart and true. Also I'm one of maybe like three people on this forum who isn't some kind of barely-concealed botter and/or incompetent perma-newbie.

You forgot insufferably vainglorious (over a computer game of all things) smarty-pants.

A few posts were edited to conform to forum rules.

LilyGrace said:

@ Lord_Nythrax
Because I'm brilliant and great, and everything I say is smart and true. Also I'm one of maybe like three people on this forum who isn't some kind of barely-concealed botter and/or incompetent perma-newbie.

You forgot insufferably vainglorious (over a computer game of all things) smarty-pants.

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Truly everyone will regret not letting you bot. You sure showed us. Great post.

Lord_Nythrax said:

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Truly everyone will regret not letting you bot. You sure showed us. Great post.

Yall sure like to accuse posters of being Bots, just because they have an opinion.  *looks at that posters name*  eh, you may be right in this case.  😂

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Surely with your fancy computer, you would know you can turn it into an App.  But, you will not get the cheating add ons.  Does cheating matter to you having an account or not?

oh man. no more gen chat in that clients discord to see the crying. where else can i see it? share share! we dont get many wins like this

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

quit or not be able to so easily and oviously cheat doesnt mattter to us either way. Sad for the 1 or 2 people that used that client just for the higher fps and not the other stuff though

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Oh no another slippery slope, surely we must let you bot else the game will die!
 
QUIT. THE. GAME.

PaladinBob said:

oh man. no more gen chat in that clients discord to see the crying. where else can i see it? share share! we dont get many wins like this

Oh wow yea just saw that now, they've nuked it. Looks like they've gotten the message and are abandoning it. We can only hope!

The funniest was seeing all these people complain and asking every 1 hour if there's an update. Then you look in a few of the big community discords and see the same username666 spam selling gold for the last few months. ROFL. 

Time for these people to get looking!

Lord_Nythrax said:

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Truly everyone will regret not letting you bot. You sure showed us. Great post.

Says the genius..bottling wasn’t fixed. Good post! Uninformed or naive..which is it?

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts? 

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts? 

Something happened.  Not one post about lag or not having enough to kill on Atlantic. Before there was a new one every day.

Do you believe the fantasy world you live in?  I understand you have probably only been around other cheaters in the past.  Must be quite the shock to find so many of us do not cheat, we play for fun.

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts? 

No 


Not yet …….

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts? 

Nope. I'd say it stopped 95% of the blatant 27/4 ones though. 

Did it stop a scripting IDE for a client that gave HUGE advantages, things that the standard client can't do? Did it stop people from running scripts that came from a client that was all gas no breaks and was lagging UO servers due to poor optimization? YEP

It's funny because you could always tell these people were using these clients at events. Spamming consecrate arms 1000 times in 1 second when dead. Entire journal filled in .1 second. No official client allows spells to be cast that fast. The official clients, although dated, actually were optimized in this manner and have built in limitations on this. When you have 100's of bots using these garbage clients on Atlantic, spamming 'target next' "attack target' 'move to target' (or whatever) 1000's of times every second, yea if I was a game developer I'd block your poorly optimized POS client too. You're essentially mini ddosing the server flooding it with literal trash.

#worth

Army said:

Lord_Nythrax said:

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Truly everyone will regret not letting you bot. You sure showed us. Great post.

Says the genius..bottling wasn’t fixed. Good post! Uninformed or naive..which is it?

k, we're all enjoying a nicer playing environment, and I've seen claims that the developer of the program that shall not be named is not interested in 'fixing' the problem. Possibly because it still works just fine on the shards he designed it for. But. With so many threatening to quit, we need to replace them. Many have posted about friends who quit because of the cheating. Now is the time to reach out to those players with the good news and invite them to return.

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts? 

There's like 40 (bit of an overstatement, but not entirely inaccurate) different clients or programs you can use to script/bot OSI. With the size of the dev team, its far more important first and foremost to take out the one doing the most harm. "The Forbidden One" was for script kiddies and the fact it had an AI Script Generator is proof of this. 99.9% of the people using TFO can't write code themselves, nor understand a singular line of it. You are not entitled to cheat, especially when you're not the one putting in the time or effort to learn and develop these things.

You are a script kiddie, you cannot cheat unless someone else does all the work of getting it running for you. No skills, no talent, a leech. Your temper tantrums only prove this.

In fact you should be GREATFUL the devs didn't just blanket ban all you botters and your accounts. They're giving you all an opportunity to stop being obnoxious clowns ruining the game for everyone else, and you would rather piss and moan like an entitled child.

Look ma! I'm popular. 

These people in the Discord are actually mentally insane. A few are asking every few hours if it's working or not (they're serious). Some are even suggesting taking up coding specifically to learn how to get their cheat crutches programs working. My dude, you aren't going to do it, give up and get help now. You are that desperate to get 170hz, that surely must be it! As explained so eloquently by this user:

ChumboWumbo said:

You are a script kiddie, you cannot cheat unless someone else does all the work of getting it running for you. No skills, no talent, a leech.

The 'leech' part is so relevant and funny because a day or two ago they were all asking about who's actually donated to the developer and, surprise surprise, *crickets* Some of these baboons are RMTing the crap out of the gaming using this tool and they've never given a penny to the person that enabled it? Yeah, if I was the developer, I would be in absolutely no hurry to get something working for these ungrateful leeches people.

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change 

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change 

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change 

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

The houses on every shard but Atlantic belong to players maybe second or third account but players only on Atlantic where there is RMT is there script placing 

they script place castles on more shards than atl

Grimbeard said:

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change 

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

The houses on every shard but Atlantic belong to players maybe second or third account but players only on Atlantic where there is RMT is there script placing 

I've been to enough idocs to know it isn't just Atlantic. You don't even get a moment of opportunity the second everything cleared.

Petra_Fyde said:

Many have posted about friends who quit because of the cheating. Now is the time to reach out to those players with the good news and invite them to return.

After posting this, I'll log for the first time in the past ~2weeks.. we'll see how it feel in game and for how long. If in ~3months we still have a faily sane and clean PvP environment.. i'm gonna invite them cuz things gonna change..

Meanwhile BS could have done some sexy PR move to make the MMOrpg scene talk about UO.. like stripping naked a cheater to redistribute his riches.. something that send a strong message to these people.. cuz here it's me talking with 2 old school players I met on Lake Superior back then:



PS: they both quit cuz of the management.. Gwar consider the game as a P2W.. cuz he had turn to the dark side (wich explain why he played till ~2017)
But he felt that 3 accounts/bots was still not enough to compete in PvP under BS management.

And hatingU is your typical trammel user.. was just playing with friends and supporting/healing them. not using cheat engine.

In both case they were gross out and quit. Hating trying to convince me to join an illegal server and Gwar would be happy to stop playing league of trolls to comeback if the playing field was level up.

I also have a small bro and a cousin that would comeback, if the game was not cheater friendly..
Personally i'll wait ~3months to invite them but meanwhile BS could do a solid PR move.. starting with people like cookie.. admitting to automate "only" his trap box on official forum.

Even better, we could start streaming PvP and PvE on twitch.. this could be a HUGE promotion for the game.

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private?  I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question.   Is this going to change house placement?   Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change 

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

I feel this too. As a returning player, I feel like getting storage space to stash all the stuff I collect is critical to the longevity of my subscription. I really wish BS would create housing "instances" where people could just "buy" an instance for a sized house they want, and the do whatever. If you want vendors, just make the maps you get from VS recall you to the "instance." I don't really care if people see my house, I just want to have a keep/castle to make my own and get the storage.

The instance stuff on UO, i'd buy it if it's orientated community.. like a rabbit hole to acces your instance in wich u can have 3-20 houses (decent size zone) or a floating island on malas type of stuff.. a mix of Shroud of the Avatar community village with albion black zone and city guild/housing instance.

IF u do storage to do storage just use the cash shop for instancied housing à la tESO.. but this ain't housing imo.. kinda like New World.. this is just playing house interior decorator (kinda like their new castle/keep system.. but at least those were built originally by a member of the community.. this is sandboxy house decorator interior)

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty 

Skett said:

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty 

Could be great.. in ~2007 on Legends this is where most of my friends and I had built our trammel vendor house.. we had our own little valley.


Today i'm not even considering cuz i can own a castle on tram/fel.

But yeah u should look SotA community village.. similar size to that valley.. but players community/guild could legit decorate the valley itself.. if there is no room on the openworld map.. just do instanced rabbit hole à la albion online (static entry point for each unique one own by guild and their friends; it's a good gold sink mechanic to maintain one)
You could make your rabbit hole or malas guild island open to public or private.

I just despice the single instance "house" to each their own.. no one can visit if your not inviting them.. it make a sucky sacky open world.. people live on their island and do their stuff in solo.

PS: the fractured online sandbox village own by a guild is also a very good PvP design that remind me of mortal online.. a design that UO could re-use some aspect for a new malas sanboxy guild housing system.. like that valley could be for sale; the entire valley and the owner pick who can build what and where.

KroDuK said:

Skett said:

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty 

Could be great.. in ~2007 on Legends this is where most of my friends and I had built our trammel vendor house.. we had our own little valley.


Today i'm not even considering cuz i can own a castle on tram/fel.

But yeah u should look SotA community village.. similar size to that valley.. but players community/guild could legit decorate the valley itself.. if there is no room on the openworld map.. just do instanced rabbit hole à la albion online (static entry point for each unique one own by guild and their friends; it's a good gold sink mechanic to maintain one)
You could make your rabbit hole or malas guild island open to public or private.

I just despice the single instance "house" to each their own.. no one can visit if your not inviting them.. it make a sucky sacky open world.. people live on their island and do their stuff in solo.

PS: the fractured online sandbox village own by a guild is also a very good PvP design that remind me of mortal online.. a design that UO could re-use some aspect for a new malas sanboxy guild housing system.. like that valley could be for sale; the entire valley and the owner pick who can build what and where.

I could invite my friends to my single instanced house. I don't see how that is any different from a guild only inviting/allowing their guild into the instanced guild housing area? 

Seems weird that you'd support guilds being insular but are opposed to individuals being insular.

They could also just make a register that you could browse via the town cryer, similar to how FFXIV does their "neighborhoods" only, the town cryer would give you as list of houses sorted by player name.

The idea is to allow players who want a keep/castle to get one, without having to get lucky, and pay someone squatting on a location a ridiculous amount of gold. Of course, if you want a keep/castle that is out in the open world, you can still pay the squatters the money.

If we're talking about gold sinks, the instanced housing should be free and the open world housing should have land taxes based on the size of the house imo. Make the people sitting on empty keeps/castles have to pay an upkeep cost for them. Or implement something similar to the NL housing, where they have to log into each server and do <x> amount of quests each month to "refresh" the lease.

Rhel said:

I could invite my friends to my single instanced house. I don't see how that is any different from a guild only inviting/allowing their guild into the instanced guild housing area? 

Seems weird that you'd support guilds being insular but are opposed to individuals being insular.

Answer is simple, open world and community.

Example on Albion Online.. everyone can own a private island and or a guild island at the bank of every city (very not friendly for MMO)
You have thousands of different instance of the same private island in every city.. we have a long list of friend with their islands (most own multiple of them in every city).. very not friendly. (what's the name of your island again? I got hundred in my list..)

The black zone.. u have little rabbit hole (like a mine) entry point to a guild spot. every hole is unique (instanced guild housing) friendly for MMOrpg.. u can make them public or private. .similar as shroud of the avatar village.. u can go on cash shop buy your own village/city/metropolis.. make it public or private and control who build what where.

The idea for a place like malas, would be to make this valley for example owned by a guild.. u need to pay a fee to keep your valley (gold sink)

You could build other different "village" like one orc style, another in brick etc etc across malas and sell them to guild/players to make those HQ.. private or not.. u load the housing inside only when u enter that village, should help on server.

In your case u only want more storage.. they could clearly sell u more cash stuff option for your problem.. personally I did sub an alt account for storage and made a lot of smith/tail for bods on that account.


But yeah the SotA community village is great for open world ROLEPLAY
While something like Fractured Online is great for community PvP actions.

The rabbit hole on albion in the black zone is the lesser worse model.

While the albion city, tESO and NW housing.. is real bad imo for a openworld sandbox niche community game.

Rhel said:

They could also just make a register that you could browse via the town cryer, similar to how FFXIV does their "neighborhoods" only, the town cryer would give you as list of houses sorted by player name.

aah, it make sense now.. u coming from a PvE theme park model.

Rhel said:

The idea is to allow players who want a keep/castle to get one, without having to get lucky, and pay someone squatting on a location a ridiculous amount of gold. Of course, if you want a keep/castle that is out in the open world, you can still pay the squatters the money.

You still can make that.. example they could add hundreds of entry point example on Malas.. to those instanced zone.. i just don't want them to be unlimited solo castle on the same spot.. find you a couple of people in game if u don't have a guild to buy one of those zone and build something solid together.. u could even decorate the island itself.. pass it in private lock down some items and re-open to public.

Or go big and buy one alone and go private. same result u wanted just better.. just not as cheap and easy.. since we don't want that on a solid sandbox open world MMO.

PS: such system could compete with Pax Dei also. (community housing)

 


@Kyronix might be the next thing to investigate. Few players are bragging how it's super easy to get around the EJ limitations. VPN/proxy they suggest, so it's a IP limitation, but they suggest even easier methods that may not involve VPN/proxy/IP spoofing/changing.

EJ accounts get account bound drops and rewards in events.  Great!

My opinion on EJ.

Let the bank hold more items. 

They should get no pack drops.  They would instead get a message telling them they would have got a drop if paid.  If wanted, save those drops in memory, if the account pays, they get them.

Otherwise I am ignorant to other atrocities committed by EJ accounts to add any more restrictions.

New User, isnt this you in the Orion Discord, handing out the exact scripts you rail about in here?

username said:

 


@ Kyronix might be the next thing to investigate. Few players are bragging how it's super easy to get around the EJ limitations. VPN/proxy they suggest, so it's a IP limitation, but they suggest even easier methods that may not involve VPN/proxy/IP spoofing/changing.

I’m guessing if it were easy or worth doing, they’d already be doing it.

Screwball said:

New User, isnt this you in the Orion Discord, handing out the exact scripts you rail about in here?

I'm assuming you mean "username"? Lmao.
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Joined today
And you're convieniently trying to make one of the most vocal anti-botters look like a hypocrite as your one and only post.

Really activates my almonds.

ChumboWumbo said:

I'm assuming you mean "username"? Lmao.
1 post
Joined today
And you're convieniently trying to make one of the most vocal anti-botters look like a hypocrite as your one and only post.

No, I am new user.  I love to show off my programming skillz.

Well that screen shot is pretty lame. Those posts were made before the changes to UO were made.

Put some of my more relevant posts up.

It's clearly not him he has 2 thumbs up.

 😂 

I seriously think some of these guys have serious issues...

My discord username is Damien. Hope this helps @discord mods.  😂

While that may be true it's response is correct.

I believe this has gone far enough. Please do not post any further private conversations from other platforms. Thank you.