Recovering Power Scrolls from pets

How do you feel about this idea? If you have a pet that is "screwed up" (maybe from a pet revert, a change that makes the pet no longer viable, or even "operator error") you have the option of releasing the pet, and killing it. At death, THE POWER SCROLLS USED ON THE PET ARE ON THE CORPSE, and recoverable. Because let's face it, the scrolls aren't cheap. I am leery of using my 120's simply because there is no telling what may change (i.e. the consume damage "nerf", the changes to some of the specials on the pets, etc...) At this time I probably have 15 +/- (IMO) useless pets with 120's on them (through "changes" after the fact) I would LOVE to have a way to recover those scrolls. How about it?

Any thoughts Devs? @Mesanna @Bleak @Kyronix

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

and congrats on that decision. I for one didn't like that idea, because now you're have players buying the "bad" pet just to kill them and selling the PS off at higher prices.. I always played a tamer and I care for my pets. Lets not just kill them for their hides and Tusks.  hehe..

Kyronix said:

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

Thanks for the reply!!! 🙂 Not the answer I was hoping for of course LOL, and I'm not exactly sure what "major purchasing drivers" has to do with scrolls (already purchased/farmed)on no longer viable pets. But it was nice to see an extremely prompt response. Thanks again. 

KHAN said:

 I'm not exactly sure what "major purchasing drivers" has to do with scrolls (already purchased/farmed)on no longer viable pets.

The UO economy suffers from not having [consumable] items. Once a power scroll is used it is gone. If you need another you have to get it yourself or buy it. Armor and weapons used to be [consumable] items until insurance came around. 

* I know consumable is not the right word. The correct word is eluding me right now. 

Good comments from everybody! Thanks. *looks around for the "like" button*

KHAN said:

Good comments from everybody! Thanks. *looks around for the "like" button*

No you can't it, I got it now :P 

Kyronix said:

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

  The bigger problem is why the economy is suffering.

Kyronix said:

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

Completely agree.

Powerscrolls are a consumable, and one of the most effective consumables in the game and should stay that way.

Yes, we have to keep that economy on Atlantic flowing.....

Yeah.

(On refurbished PS) No.

Slayvite said:

Yes, we have to keep that economy on Atlantic flowing.....

The needs of the few elite where all that gold cycles to outweighs the needs of the many.

JCtheBuilder said:

KHAN said:

 I'm not exactly sure what "major purchasing drivers" has to do with scrolls (already purchased/farmed)on no longer viable pets.

The UO economy suffers from not having [consumable] items. Once a power scroll is used it is gone. If you need another you have to get it yourself or buy it. Armor and weapons used to be [consumable] items until insurance came around. 

* I know consumable is not the right word. The correct word is eluding me right now. 

The right word you are searching for is, I believe,"commodified".

And, again IMO, commodification it is one of the MAJOR problems today BITRW of the crony oligarchical world-wide liberistic late stage "capitalism" (a word that I believe even a doped-to-the-gills Ayn Rand herself would have had "some" difficulties in using to descirbe today hyper-financializated planetary joke of a global "economy"!), making us to live in a world where such "secondary" things as human time and, frequently, life (human and animal) itself are every day that pass more reduced at the same level of things, and on a massive scale never seen before in human history.

But maybe, just maybe, this is a little out of context speaking of UO.

Or, again, maybe not, considered the actual UO economical oligarchy of "big" inter-shard scripter-cheaters-specul... ehm, I beg your pardon, I mean ***ILLUMINATE TRADERS*** that has made a million UO gold have the concrete value of argent de poche...

Tyrath said:

Slayvite said:

Yes, we have to keep that economy on Atlantic flowing.....

The needs of the few elite where all that gold cycles to outweighs the needs of the many.

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 🙂

I know what would drive the economy up, having more content to for more useful items.  Not only would it raise the economy it would also raise the playerbase.  There is tons of content in game already that just needs upgraded a little bit with new drops(i.e. ML Bosses).  Id also like to see them remove the old drops to doom except for the more useful items like the orny and put them on a NPC vendor like blackthorns.  That way if you go down there you have a chance of getting a newer drop versus wasting time to get like a tunic of fire which is useless. 

Ivenor and Co - you are completely correct in your comments of course regarding the economy.

1% owning 99% of the worlds wealth, points to a massive unfairness and broken down economy in both the real world and UO.

UO is of course, just a hyper speeded up version of the real world economy, and the issue is, when something is valued more than another, yet both really have equal importance to a community, and take equal time to complete, the people performing the most efficient path come out on top, even though a less efficient path may have more importance to the community - cleaning out the public toilets for example. Wealth does always flow in one direction, and this is wrong.

But - you cannot expect UO game developers, to solve real world economic issues that have plagued the world for 3,000 years - our best people still don't have a system, or even understand economics yet, all current models mostly developed around world war 2 are falling apart, and nothing new has been presented.

And this entire conversation, is taking the issue of powerscrolls, to it's complete limit. Solve the world, to solve powerscroll economy, it cannot happen.

Cookie said:

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UO is of course, just a hyper speeded up version of the real world economy, and the issue is, when something is valued more than another, yet both really have equal importance to a community, and take equal time to complete, ***the people performing the most efficient path*** come out on top, even though a less efficient path may have more importance to the community - cleaning out the public toilets for example. Wealth does always flow in one direction, and this is wrong.

>>> IVENOR: When "efficency" , as in the case of some of the today UO "trade oligarchy", means systematic SCRIPT-CHEATING, e.g., at IDOC, IMO, this people deserve only total confiscation and permanent ban.

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But - you cannot expect UO game developers, to solve real world economic issues that have plagued the world for 3,000 years - our best people still don't have a system, or even understand economics yet, all current models mostly developed around world war 2 are falling apart, and nothing new has been presented.

>>> IVENOR: My rant was NOT directed toward UO devs or EM, that, I'm sure, make MOSTLY of the time (*COFF* clops *COFF*) the BEST they can do, when they can do it, and needing to keep maybe an eye on rents & bills ITMT, as many others of us mere mortals, but to the people that exploit a system. E.g., BITRW, when the Koch Bros. ("nomen omen", as the Romans said...) (in)famously said "I want my fair share, and it is ALL.", they should have been dragged screaming and kicking in fron of a military firing squad, darn!  😂

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And this entire conversation, is taking the issue of powerscrolls, to it's complete limit. Solve the world, to solve powerscroll economy, it cannot happen.

>>>IVENOR. Totally agree, I'm not *so* naive... 🙂

But to hopelessly rant is half the fun of a forum...

Cheers

Ivenor

BTW: apologyes fot the mess in the above formatting, but the forum editor is a little threadebare in functions, and my HTML a little rusty... 🙂

Fair comments Ivenor, I like them.

I'm the same when it comes to ranting. ❤️

KHAN said:

Good comments from everybody! Thanks. *looks around for the "like" button*

Did you ever find it?

Kyronix said:

Is there a LIKE button

Bilbo said:

KHAN said:

Good comments from everybody! Thanks. *looks around for the "like" button*

Did you ever find it?

Kyronix said:

Is there a LIKE button

nope! LOL

KHAN said:

Bilbo said:

KHAN said:

Good comments from everybody! Thanks. *looks around for the "like" button*

Did you ever find it?

Kyronix said:

Is there a LIKE button

nope! LOL

I lost mine too!

Kyronix said:

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

🙁

The economy suffers because there has been an unlimited, 24/7 gold spigot turned to full blast for the last 20+ years. Gold "cycles" very, very little - mainly through the same hands. The gold is hoarded, as evidenced by the need for platinum currency to allow the uber rich to continue hoarding past "physical" lockdown and vendor limits.

Gold from power scrolls goes from buyer to another select few hands on each shard, or straight to Atlantic. This means people on smaller shards go to Atl to find the scrolls that are unavailable on there shard - simply further consolidating the wealth. 

Since there are no real, viable gold sinks in UO, there is no way for that money to actually leave the system (barring direct dev intervention) so the amounts build, inflation occurs, causing new players look at prices and facepalm. Most player ideas for gold sinks have been completely ignored.

Dot_Warner said:

Kyronix said:

It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable.  Our economy suffers already, and powerscrolls are one of the few major purchasing drivers that we have to keep the gold cycling.  Thanks for the feedback though!

🙁

The economy suffers because there has been an unlimited, 24/7 gold spigot turned to full blast for the last 20+ years. Gold "cycles" very, very little - mainly through the same hands. The gold is hoarded, as evidenced by the need for platinum currency to allow the uber rich to continue hoarding past "physical" lockdown and vendor limits.

Gold from power scrolls goes from buyer to another select few hands on each shard, or straight to Atlantic. This means people on smaller shards go to Atl to find the scrolls that are unavailable on there shard - simply further consolidating the wealth. 

Since there are no real, viable gold sinks in UO, there is no way for that money to actually leave the system (barring direct dev intervention) so the amounts build, inflation occurs, causing new players look at prices and facepalm. Most player ideas for gold sinks have been completely ignored.

  SO it is officially working as intended 🙂

@Kyronix how about putting 'pet only' power scrolls in the Illshenar, Malas & Tokuno spawns? Makes them more accessible for players who don't PVP, keeps a 'consumable' item in the game, would increase game content for non pvp templates, and frankly the majority of tamers are NOT into pvp.  Would give players a reason to actually do these spawns and team up. Would not harm the powerscroll market for the pvp'ers who frankly have a monopoly on all scrolls so right now the minority has a huge monopoly over the majority.  

I loved that tokuno sleeping dragon spawn but the only time that spawn rocks is when treasures of tokuno runs as otherwise it is not worth doing.  Ditto for the labyrinth, weald and bedlam spawns.

Or is the dev team just interested in keeping the gold generated from these scrolls in the hands of  the few.  Pet ONLY scrolls in the above would solve your reasoning re not letting the pets have recoverable scrolls.

The other problem with the current system is  you can 'stop' the training gump from forever coming up.  You can only click on the stop training button once you have finished training the pet, the problem still exists as the majority of us can't get the scrolls to finish a pet off so instead of making it so that you could turn that gump of and on until such time as you finish scrolling the damn thing continues to be a huge pain in the butt, it wasn't just a problem with a few unused points it is aproblem of taking like a year or more til you get the scrolls you need per PET.  I still have not got ONE pet that is finished scrolling.  Put a button on that gump that keeps it still active but so you can turn it off til needed.

Since there are no real, viable gold sinks in UO, there is no way for that money to actually leave the system (barring direct dev intervention) so the amounts build, inflation occurs, causing new players look at prices and facepalm. Most player ideas for gold sinks have been completely ignored.

vendors remove a vast amount of gold every day.  I dont run vendors like some of the big idocers and "merchant" types, but still have 10mil a day fees.  thats 300m a month 3.6 bil a year.  from just a few vendors.

I really think gold is leaving the system at a much higher rate than its being created, but the population is much smaller too.  so we still have "inflation" becuase theres less players to spread that gold around.

would gold - sinks hurt?  no.  ive always thought there could be more, but it also has little to do with prices.  with less gold, stuff just costs more. 

High prices is a good thing.  it shows a demand and that people are still playing.  If the price is too high, a player has the option to get just about any item in the game himself.  thats the beauty of UO. you dont have to buy anything.  but the option is there if you choose.

In regards to pets specifically, alot of these complaints are from pvm players who just want to look at numbers.  realistically 110 are not even that expensive, and is all you need for pvm. 

I havent done a spawn in a few years (used to every morning on atlantic and rarely got raided), but even nowadays me being mostly a "trammy" i wouldnt want to take one of the few draws of fellucca away from that core group of players.  they are essential to the economy, and its one of the few ways for someone not interested in pvm to make some gold.  Theres plenty of pvm ways to make gold to buy said scrolls if the player doesnt want to take the time to find an empty spawn and get them himself. 

In short, i see no change needed. 

MissE said:

@ Kyronix how about putting 'pet only' power scrolls in the Illshenar, Malas & Tokuno

theres already 105 scrolls that drop.  with scroll binders you can eventually get enough to to make a 110, which is all most pets really need.

I have never ever gotten a 105 scroll from those spawns only tiny up to .5 pinks, since when did they add 105 white ones?  Plus I am saying put in 105, 110, 115 and 120 PET ONLY scrolls, totally different to the normal powerscrolls. It would create a whole new market and give a valuable reason to do those spawns.  Increase the drop rate in fel on scrolls so 12 normal power scrolls and 5 pet scrolls per boss if necessary to keep the pk's happy.

MissE said:

I have never ever gotten a 105 scroll from those spawns only tiny up to .5 pinks, since when did they add 105 white ones?  Plus I am saying put in 105, 110, 115 and 120 PET ONLY scrolls, totally different to the normal powerscrolls. It would create a whole new market and give a valuable reason to do those spawns.  Increase the drop rate in fel on scrolls so 12 normal power scrolls and 5 pet scrolls per boss if necessary to keep the pk's happy.

105's have dropped since the system was introduced.

Well they must be rare as hen's teeth then. I do the Ish spawns a LOT to train pets and have NEVER had a white scroll drop. EVER.

The UO wiki must also be incorrect as it states: Scrolls of Power: These scrolls can only be found on Champions of Evil that spawn in the Dungeons and Lost Lands areas on the Felucca facet.

UO Guide states: Power Scrolls are an in-game consumable that raise individual skill caps. Most are earned through the Champion Spawn system, and only on facet Felucca.

If anyone out there has EVER got a 105 white power scroll at the ilshenar, tokuno or malas spawns please advise.

@MissE

After reading through the thread again, I see that you are talking specifically about 105's in Ilsh. When I first read your question I thought you meant when were 105's added to the game. That was the question I was answering.

I've never seen 105 power scrolls drop at non-Fel champ spawns.

MissE said:

@ Kyronix how about putting 'pet only' power scrolls in the Illshenar, Malas & Tokuno spawns? Makes them more accessible for players who don't PVP, keeps a 'consumable' item in the game, would increase game content for non pvp templates, and frankly the majority of tamers are NOT into pvp.  Would give players a reason to actually do these spawns and team up. Would not harm the powerscroll market for the pvp'ers who frankly have a monopoly on all scrolls so right now the minority has a huge monopoly over the majority.  

I loved that tokuno sleeping dragon spawn but the only time that spawn rocks is when treasures of tokuno runs as otherwise it is not worth doing.  Ditto for the labyrinth, weald and bedlam spawns.

Or is the dev team just interested in keeping the gold generated from these scrolls in the hands of  the few.  Pet ONLY scrolls in the above would solve your reasoning re not letting the pets have recoverable scrolls.

I agree and would add shard linked to the above or in place of pet only. 
This would make scrolls available on low population shards without raising the howls of protest from pvp crowd. 
Last time I checked vendor search on Pac there were only 5 power scrolls of any type for sale.
If they could be shard limit the pet/player after use (with proper warnings) even better.

I really hate being "forced" to play pvp

In reference to my original post, after seeing some of the comments, and discussing it with guild mates, this idea came up. How about making the scrolls available on the corpse, BUT, making the ones "recovered" "for pets only", or something to that effect. That would seem to be a way to keep the "regular" ones hold most of their value, AND allow tamers to use scrolls on pets without having to worry, as much, about any possible "nerfs" or "changes" that happen AFTER using scrolls on them that might render the pets unusable. One example is that I, and others, have pets that we tamed, trained, and used 110/115/120 power scrolls on before the consume damage "nerf" that in retrospect we would have put more hit points on, and used less points in other places, had we of known of the change. Those pets aren't viable now, and are stuck in the stables, just eating and getting fat. Just a thought. Any thoughts @Kyronix

No my solution to the OP's original request was to add PET ONLY  power scrolls (all levels) to those spawns in Ilsh, Malas and Tokuno to make them worth doing and not affect the power scrolls for players.  Smoot was the one that said 105's were available in them already, I disagree, never seen one.  

The argument that allowing players to reclaim  pet scrolls would destroy the consumable nature of them by @Kyronix "It's something we've talked about in the past, in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable."  would be satisfied, although it probably should of said "we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable in the hands of a few".

The majority of tamers do NOT pvp are not interested in doing fel spawns and just want powerscrolls for their pets for pvm.  Adding Pet ONLY Scrolls  to the other spawns would satisfy tamers and does not affect the Character power scroll market.  You could add Pet ONLY Scrolls to the fel spawns as well so that pvp'ers could still get if they didn't want to do the non fel spawns. There are so many pets in game that need scrolls that the majority of players do NOT have any hope in hell of getting what they need at the current drop rate and the fact that those that are in game are controlled by the few. 

There was really no reason to make it that power scrolls used for players had to be the same ones for pets, it would have made much more sense to include the majority by adding pet scrolls into all spawns on all facets and useable only by pets.  It would of greatly improved player content to have a reason to do those spawns and added a fantastic dimension to the game as a whole. 

However it seems that the devs persistent attempts to drive players to fel seems to dominate again and again for the minority. 

Perhaps a rethink could be done and the system changed. Perhaps the devs didn't think of how hard it was gonna be to scroll pets under this current system.  I have about 20 pets that need scrolls, only TWO of em have 120 wrestle/tactics, none are fully scrolled.  That bloody training gump will be popping up on my screen for the next 20 years at this rate as yet another thing that was 'fixed' didn't actually get fixed as you can't get rid of it unless  you have finished training your pet which you can't do until you get the scrolls.

I seriously hope and pray that the idea of pet scrolls can be looked at. The current system is a total fail.

@MissE

Wow, great ideas and thoughts thinks I. 


Side note: I pretty much only use my dragon turtle as my combat pet. It is, or at least I guess used to be considered, a good one, so I never did really look into the whole pet training thing. 

Soooo.... let me get this straight.... pets need power scrolls now????!??!!???
What????!!!!?!???!!!!! 
LOL
(yeah wow, I guess just another way to get the money into the hands of the few hehe)
I guess I really need to do some good research on this!

p.s.
Could you point me in the right direction to get good information on this??

Thanks!

Zapp said:

p.s.
Could you point me in the right direction to get good information on this??

Thanks!

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/animal-taming/animal-training/

Adding my two cents here:

I see nothing wrong with leaving power scroll just as they are (used for players and pets and exclusively in Fel).

I think the OP comments really speak to the desire to be able to reset pets.  One school of thought would be to just tame a new pet and start over.

The other school of thought would say that many tamers have sentimental attachment to pets and would like to be able to re-do the training.

@Kyronix

Maybe there is some room here to compromise and allow a respec based on the current pet level points less the power scrolls already used?  Basically you would re-roll the pets base stats/resists/regens/special moves and leave skills and scrolls alone then multiply the current pet level by 1501 points and subtract the points already consumed by existing power scrolls.

Seems like this would be super similar to the process used to reset the exploited pets so not to hard to make it a single use token and drop it in the store?

Like it was pointed out so well on the that other place we spend time 

a mod said have pet power scrolls be different from player scrolls 

I would add have them in both facets tram and fel 

Dot_Warner said:

The gold is hoarded, as evidenced by the need for platinum currency to allow the uber rich to continue hoarding past "physical" lockdown and vendor limits.

Uh...that's hardly the reason why Platinum was needed (The currency system is what resolved any issues of "lockdown" or limits, not platinum). The currency system made trades safe and instead of relying on a broker/pure trust, now it can all be handled safely directly from your account. Platinum simply makes the numbers smaller so you don't have to constantly deal with large numbers.

Promathia said:

Dot_Warner said:

The gold is hoarded, as evidenced by the need for platinum currency to allow the uber rich to continue hoarding past "physical" lockdown and vendor limits.

Uh...that's hardly the reason why Platinum was needed (The currency system is what resolved any issues of "lockdown" or limits, not platinum). The currency system made trades safe and instead of relying on a broker/pure trust, now it can all be handled safely directly from your account. Platinum simply makes the numbers smaller so you don't have to constantly deal with large numbers.

Read recently that trades are not safe in EC due to a bug that lets you change your trade amount in currency before clicking submit.

So, are you talking past tense as far as safe, or was that fixed?  (Last I read, Devs said it’s working as intended.  But please update me.)

Smoot 

In short, i see no change needed. 

^^^^

I am with Smoot.

No changes are needed. 

  Just let the pet get reworked and the scrolls are not recovered but stay on the pet they were used on.  The problem is things were fixed that broke pets, mistakes were made building the pets and we end up with stables full of really expensive and useless pets.   So make a retrain option that takes the pet down to a base set of stats, deducts the points the scrolls on it cost from the retraining points and everyone is happy.  No scrolls are getting recovered and otherwise useless pets get to be viable.  

Tyrath said:

  Just let the pet get reworked and the scrolls are not recovered but stay on the pet they were used on.  The problem is things were fixed that broke pets, mistakes were made building the pets and we end up with stables full of really expensive and useless pets.   So make a retrain option that takes the pet down to a base set of stats, deducts the points the scrolls on it cost from the retraining points and everyone is happy.  No scrolls are getting recovered and otherwise useless pets get to be viable.  

This, in my opinion, is a VERY viable solution. What about it @Kyronix @Bleak ;

KHAN said:

Tyrath said:

  Just let the pet get reworked and the scrolls are not recovered but stay on the pet they were used on.  The problem is things were fixed that broke pets, mistakes were made building the pets and we end up with stables full of really expensive and useless pets.   So make a retrain option that takes the pet down to a base set of stats, deducts the points the scrolls on it cost from the retraining points and everyone is happy.  No scrolls are getting recovered and otherwise useless pets get to be viable.  

This, in my opinion, is a VERY viable solution. What about it @ Kyronix @ Bleak 

i agree this at is at the very least needs happen 

@Kyronix ???

KHAN said:

Tyrath said:

  Just let the pet get reworked and the scrolls are not recovered but stay on the pet they were used on.  The problem is things were fixed that broke pets, mistakes were made building the pets and we end up with stables full of really expensive and useless pets.   So make a retrain option that takes the pet down to a base set of stats, deducts the points the scrolls on it cost from the retraining points and everyone is happy.  No scrolls are getting recovered and otherwise useless pets get to be viable.  

This, in my opinion, is a VERY viable solution. What about it @ Kyronix @ Bleak 

How so? Kyronix already replied with "in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable"... being able to retrain your pet using the same scrolls is no different than getting the scrolls back to retrain your pet. Only difference is that you can't resell the scrolls or use on a different pet, but it would still affect demand and they'd be less of a consumable in the end as most would just retrain instead of buying new scrolls for a new pet

Personally I don't see why most aren't training pets using 115 scrolls, they're so much cheaper and still make a killer pet. The extra 5 points on most of those scrolls barely offer an advantage if you factor in the cost difference, agreed it looks good having all 120's but 115's are still very decent in the end   

Keith???

Archnight said:

KHAN said:

Tyrath said:

  Just let the pet get reworked and the scrolls are not recovered but stay on the pet they were used on.  The problem is things were fixed that broke pets, mistakes were made building the pets and we end up with stables full of really expensive and useless pets.   So make a retrain option that takes the pet down to a base set of stats, deducts the points the scrolls on it cost from the retraining points and everyone is happy.  No scrolls are getting recovered and otherwise useless pets get to be viable.  

This, in my opinion, is a VERY viable solution. What about it @ Kyronix @ Bleak 

How so? Kyronix already replied with "in the end we would rather keep the demand for powerscrolls high and keep them consumable"... being able to retrain your pet using the same scrolls is no different than getting the scrolls back to retrain your pet. Only difference is that you can't resell the scrolls or use on a different pet, but it would still affect demand and they'd be less of a consumable in the end as most would just retrain instead of buying new scrolls for a new pet

Personally I don't see why most aren't training pets using 115 scrolls, they're so much cheaper and still make a killer pet. The extra 5 points on most of those scrolls barely offer an advantage if you factor in the cost difference, agreed it looks good having all 120's but 115's are still very decent in the end   

Keith???

Obviously you missed the fact that it is a COMPLETELY different option than the one @Kyronix responded to. 🙂

Just make scrolls shard bound. It's not the people farming the scrolls causing the prices to sky rocket. It's the resellers buying everything up on the small shards and moving them to Atlantic. Scrolls are heavily farmed on small shards but because everyone moves them to atl to sell the small shards have no scroll stocks. People would shop small shards to eat needed scrolls on characters and pets. I know a volume 3 taming primer can be had much cheaper on a small shard because it can't be moved to atl.

Dukarlo said:

Just make scrolls shard bound. It's not the people farming the scrolls causing the prices to sky rocket. It's the resellers buying everything up on the small shards and moving them to Atlantic. Scrolls are heavily farmed on small shards but because everyone moves them to atl to sell the small shards have no scroll stocks. People would shop small shards to eat needed scrolls on characters and pets. I know a volume 3 taming primer can be had much cheaper on a small shard because it can't be moved to atl.

If Atlantic is sucking in the entire supply from all the shards, and the prices on Atlantic are still sky high, then I would say the problem is caused by way too little supply to meet demand, and trying to fix the problem by making scrolls shard bound in no way addresses the lack of supply. EJ is coming, too, and those characters can use scrolls but don't generate them either. I think we need a supply fix to keep up with demand. 

I feel the system is fine how it is.

Part of the adventure and mystique of an open sandbox is obtaining what you desire.

You don't have to do everything yourself and many times you need a guild or community to help you out. If you need more power scrolls then get your guild or other community members together and go make it happen. It is all part of the grand adventure in Sosaria. 

When did it ever come to pass that you had to have every part of your character or beast maxed out in order to be successful or have a good time while adventuring. 

Even the lowest of the low, broken, penniless and weak can become an Avatar.... 

AQHF said:

Dukarlo said:

Just make scrolls shard bound. It's not the people farming the scrolls causing the prices to sky rocket. It's the resellers buying everything up on the small shards and moving them to Atlantic. Scrolls are heavily farmed on small shards but because everyone moves them to atl to sell the small shards have no scroll stocks. People would shop small shards to eat needed scrolls on characters and pets. I know a volume 3 taming primer can be had much cheaper on a small shard because it can't be moved to atl.

If Atlantic is sucking in the entire supply from all the shards, and the prices on Atlantic are still sky high, then I would say the problem is caused by way too little supply to meet demand, and trying to fix the problem by making scrolls shard bound in no way addresses the lack of supply. EJ is coming, too, and those characters can use scrolls but don't generate them either. I think we need a supply fix to keep up with demand. 

You will never fix the supply flow.  There are an X amount of players that do the Spawns on a regular basis and they will control the amount of PSs that hit the open market.  With EJ coming in I can see those accounts being used as fodder to beat down the PvMers that attempt to do spawns while the paid PvPers swoop in and kill everything left.

If they add power scrolls to tram or make "pet only" scrolls drop in trammel I can imagine a few days after launch there will be threads popping up with people complaining about players camping the boss. Why would anyone need to do a spawn? People would just wait until the boss is up and then bring in a sampire or whatever to kill the champ.

With EJ just around the corner you would be able to have an EJ character at the spawn to watch the progress and then just bring in a main character near the end when the champ is almost up. It will be no different from events. People will complain about multi boxers etc etc. but rather than getting EM drops they will be getting the scrolls.

Whether tram or fel
Wouldn't be such a bad idea to implement a modified doom "like" system. 
To be eligible to receive power scrolls, one must gain enough points by killing pre-spawn before the champ pops.
It's logical and would force raiders to raid early on, giving a fighting chance to the individual/group who started the spawn.

They should be shard bound. People should just travel to a small shard and eat the scroll and go back home. The way it is now only benefits the wealthy vendor owners on Atl. Let them actually fight for their own scrolls the way small shards have to, but it won't happen, and we all know why.

Or the Power Scrolls can be made to be obtainable ONLY with Skill-related quests (as is today for Imbuing), and only ONE of each level (105, 110, 115, 120) can be had by a single Char (not repeatable Quests). Let the players choose after if use the PS on a Char, on a Pet, or sell it on the market, and limit Monsters Drops to SoT, maybe buffing up their number.
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Or You can go into general chat on any given shard and let people know what you are looking for instead of just looking for it on a vendor. Having built out characters on many shards over the last year. I honestly never had a hard time getting what I needed through general chat when I didn't see it on a vendor. Sure you might have to wait a week but, I was usually working on another skill or something in the meantime. This really all seems like a lot of drama about nothing. 

I think we are getting a little "off course". The topic is "RECOVERING Power scrolls from PETS. The whole discussion on power scrolls in general could fill this forum. LOL 🙂

DJAd said:

If they add power scrolls to tram or make "pet only" scrolls drop in trammel I can imagine a few days after launch there will be threads popping up with people complaining about players camping the boss. Why would anyone need to do a spawn? People would just wait until the boss is up and then bring in a sampire or whatever to kill the champ.

With EJ just around the corner you would be able to have an EJ character at the spawn to watch the progress and then just bring in a main character near the end when the champ is almost up. It will be no different from events. People will complain about multi boxers etc etc. but rather than getting EM drops they will be getting the scrolls.

@Kyronix No one has said put regular power scrolls in the non fel spawns, just create 'pet scrolls' that drop there and there is no reason that those spawns can't be coded to only drop scrolls to those players who are killing the spawn.  Make it that the boss only drops 2-3 scrolls and the rest all drop all during the spawn, so you could get a 120 doing level 2 or 3 of the spawn.  And if you haven't killed a good proportion of the level 1/2 spawn then you are not entitled to a drop from the boss at all. 

Pet only scrolls are NEEDED.  The current system is totally out of kilter and benefits only a few.  Pet scrolls should NEVER have been the same as power scrolls for players, it was a seriously poor design choice and a wasted opportunity to make the non fel spawns relevant and actually worth doing. 

Given that tamers can have 30 odd pets that may need scrolling and and at least 4-8 scrolls per pet, most of us still have that bloody annoying training gump popping up and will do so for the next 20 yrs unless something is done to improve pet scrolling rates.  The fix is simple, pet scrolls in non fel spawns. The fix for that training gump was NEVER a fix, not while the scrolling problem persists.

Lord_Nabin said:

"This really all seems like a lot of drama about nothing." 

Thank you for caring enough about "nothing" to respond, not once, but twice. 🙂

Lord_Nabin said:

Or You can go into general chat on any given shard and let people know what you are looking for instead of just looking for it on a vendor. Having built out characters on many shards over the last year. I honestly never had a hard time getting what I needed through general chat when I didn't see it on a vendor. Sure you might have to wait a week but, I was usually working on another skill or something in the meantime. This really all seems like a lot of drama about nothing. 

How many pets you built recently?  Ive done at least 80.  

Something has changed the power scroll market.

Pawain said:

Lord_Nabin said:

Or You can go into general chat on any given shard and let people know what you are looking for instead of just looking for it on a vendor. Having built out characters on many shards over the last year. I honestly never had a hard time getting what I needed through general chat when I didn't see it on a vendor. Sure you might have to wait a week but, I was usually working on another skill or something in the meantime. This really all seems like a lot of drama about nothing. 

How many pets you built recently?  Ive done at least 80.  

Something has changed the power scroll market.

I bet that was a lot of fun.

In Ultima Online if you use up all your ingredients, regents, resources, or other consumables you have a few choices. 

Ask a friend if they have some, Buy what you need off a vendor, Make a request in general chat, or  maybe the best answer......Figure out how to get it your self. (it's part of the adventure)

There is plenty of content to go get Power Scrolls. Build a team and go make it happen. Not your style? Well that's fine be patient, work on another project while you wait for it to pop up. 

Part of the challenge is to equip your build out of your character or pet the way you want. The other part of the challenge is that there is not a store with everything on the shell just waiting for you to pick up and walk out with what you need.

Someone has to either create it or earn it in order for you to have access to, acquire,  and use it. 

If you are just doing research then perform that on TC. When it comes to building out the character or pet for you to use then build it on your shard. Everything else still above applies. 

Just create a powerscroll extraction item that will also have its own supply and demand. Find a sweet spot for where it's not trivial to get, but is expensive enough for it not to mess up the system. I think creating special pet powerscrolls complicates matters too much.

InLor said:

Just create a powerscroll extraction item that will also have its own supply and demand. Find a sweet spot for where it's not trivial to get, but is expensive enough for it not to mess up the system. I think creating special pet powerscrolls complicates matters too much.

A power scroll extraction item. Put it In the UO store. I would pay for that!