Good luck to all those enjoying the Beta

My question is as the title

What next @Mesanna ?

Last global event over, so whats the plan?

And please, no more ToT type Dungeon kop outs,  what's the next huge global story line event arc?

Starts August maybe?

Obviously you are not neglecting the production shards whilst NL is being tested right?  this does not count as an event right?  

Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?

Cant wait for the news update for those of us that are not interested in NL...........

Plus one

ok,

The ML armour sets are woefully undergunned compared to modern legendary drops.
So, for deco purposes for collectors, could we have a fresh new collection of armour set drops?

With amazing stats when combined, like when they first came out many moons ago, make the new sets relevant and compete with legendary armour pieces 

Looking at peerless, doom artifact drops, and Tokuno majors they are really bad news. Apart from the odd good drop, the rest are not fit for purpose,  so I was thinking about new artifact drops, or a drop selection system?    grafting in doom to get a Glenda, or the roof to get a totem of the tribe, kinda sucks

  turn in 5/10 roof, peerless, champ, doom rewards to pick the one you really want? get people back into these places now you are looking to crack down on illegal clients and multi box cheating..........  so its not a kick in the goolies when you get yet another spell book from the Sygian dragon, save them up and trade them in 🙂

but make the tinker legs in the abyss etc worth 10-20 trade in points,  the current market can show which rewards are worth more..........

This will encourage players to go for it, and combat the hordes drops that previous cheats stockpiled,  I would much rather go get drops if it was a viable option to trade in drops I don't need for ones I do......

collectors like me would love to have a full set of Stygian Abyss artifacts so trading in spares to get them all would be amazing

Don't get me wrong, I love ToT reward system, just not another dungeon 🙁. What about in the solen hive?  defend the hive from invading solen armies? (diff hued solens war parties with new hue dyes on corpses and rewards etc?

we love dyes!

Town invasions with the ToT system instead of dungeons, or as well as? both running at same time so we can mix it up a bit,  get fed up with dungeon, defend a town, vice versa, just like forsaken sails

Please also keep including beacons and t chests etc with new rewards every now and again, this gave many players an alternative way to get rewards.

Like the Black gate event, or ilshenar mini champs you created,  more more more!!!!!

T maps and fishing chests,  great to get the hats in them, but what about a mega rare chance of getting an insane artifact, artifact rarity 13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20 paintings, deco items or ethy mounts?  gold chargers, green beetles statuettes........ but super rare, so you dont get a bag full in 20 mins like current fishing chest artifacts 

not the same rate as the blaze cu 🙂, but if you have 500 sos to do, you get a chance of a few belter rewards!!!!

Stuff like this 🙂

Kyronix said:

We'll have a more detailed announcement of the fall plans as we get closer to the season, but you can expect anniversary rewards, a Halloween event (in the context of a ToT), updates to the Huntmaster's challenge, and moving into winter our holiday themed events. 

Before you tee off and bemoan the fact that we are doing another ToT, we do them for a reason.  They are very popular.  Players really enjoy them.  

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

As for the suggestions, "Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?"  Please be more specific as to what you are looking for.  These generalities don't give us much in the way of actionable feedback, so you'll have to be a bit more precise to deliver what you are asking for. 

Thanks for the feedback!

@Kyronix since hats still dropping could we bring the turn in guy back on?

Grimbeard said:

Kyronix said:

We'll have a more detailed announcement of the fall plans as we get closer to the season, but you can expect anniversary rewards, a Halloween event (in the context of a ToT), updates to the Huntmaster's challenge, and moving into winter our holiday themed events. 

Before you tee off and bemoan the fact that we are doing another ToT, we do them for a reason.  They are very popular.  Players really enjoy them.  

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

As for the suggestions, "Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?"  Please be more specific as to what you are looking for.  These generalities don't give us much in the way of actionable feedback, so you'll have to be a bit more precise to deliver what you are asking for. 

Thanks for the feedback!

@ Kyronix since hats still dropping could we bring the turn in guy back on?

No, there was ample time to collect rewards for the event.  Hats will be disabled during the next WW publish and added to cleanup Britannia.

Kyronix said:

We'll have a more detailed announcement of the fall plans as we get closer to the season, but you can expect anniversary rewards, a Halloween event (in the context of a ToT), updates to the Huntmaster's challenge, and moving into winter our holiday themed events. 

Before you tee off and bemoan the fact that we are doing another ToT, we do them for a reason.  They are very popular.  Players really enjoy them.  

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

As for the suggestions, "Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?"  Please be more specific as to what you are looking for.  These generalities don't give us much in the way of actionable feedback, so you'll have to be a bit more precise to deliver what you are asking for. 

Thanks for the feedback!

Kyronix said:

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

Account bound rewards. Stops the 24/7 botting for profit. Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players. Items able to be transferred and used as intended like a true sandbox.

Lowers the grind, gets people playing -> increases subs, stops bots farming for profit, potions of glorious potion sales through the roof -> increase broadsword profit. 

Win/win/win/win for everyone.

Do it.

username said:

Kyronix said:

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

Account bound rewards. Stops the 24/7 botting for profit. Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players. Items able to be transferred and used as intended like a true sandbox.

Lowers the grind, gets people playing -> increases subs, stops bots farming for profit, potions of glorious potion sales through the roof -> increase broadsword profit. 

Win/win/win/win for everyone.

Do it.

Please for the love of everything do NOT do this. Some people have multiple accounts and multiple characters they use on those accounts on multiple shards. The ability to buy items I do not have time to get or the desire to grind out is nice.Yes, the bots that are farming things 24/7 to get items is annoying and lowers the value of the items I work towards but it also allows me to get the items I need in some cases. If EA wants to make all the rewards available for purchase on a vendor in game as a gold sink, sure make them account bound. Until them leave them alone. Shard bound is bad enough.

Jha_dur said:

username said:

Kyronix said:

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

Account bound rewards. Stops the 24/7 botting for profit. Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players. Items able to be transferred and used as intended like a true sandbox.

Lowers the grind, gets people playing -> increases subs, stops bots farming for profit, potions of glorious potion sales through the roof -> increase broadsword profit. 

Win/win/win/win for everyone.

Do it.

Please for the love of everything do NOT do this. Some people have multiple accounts and multiple characters they use on those accounts on multiple shards. The ability to buy items I do not have time to get or the desire to grind out is nice.Yes, the bots that are farming things 24/7 to get items is annoying and lowers the value of the items I work towards but it also allows me to get the items I need in some cases. If EA wants to make all the rewards available for purchase on a vendor in game as a gold sink, sure make them account bound. Until them leave them alone. Shard bound is bad enough.

Shard bound until equipped then account bound 

Jha_dur said:

username said:

Kyronix said:

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

Account bound rewards. Stops the 24/7 botting for profit. Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players. Items able to be transferred and used as intended like a true sandbox.

Lowers the grind, gets people playing -> increases subs, stops bots farming for profit, potions of glorious potion sales through the roof -> increase broadsword profit. 

Win/win/win/win for everyone.

Do it.

Please for the love of everything do NOT do this. Some people have multiple accounts and multiple characters they use on those accounts on multiple shards. The ability to buy items I do not have time to get or the desire to grind out is nice.Yes, the bots that are farming things 24/7 to get items is annoying and lowers the value of the items I work towards but it also allows me to get the items I need in some cases. If EA wants to make all the rewards available for purchase on a vendor in game as a gold sink, sure make them account bound. Until them leave them alone. Shard bound is bad enough.

Yep, it would only benefit you. You could farm up an entire set for all your chars and accounts in a fraction of the time you previously did it for one server, given the point cost for rewards could be majorly reduced. Missed out on one server? Since account bound, not shard bound, just transfer them over, like a true sandbox.

I really don't think you thought your reply through. At all. This only benefits your situtation 10000% and would save you time while hurting RMT bots 😂 and save you gold. You, and legitimate players that don't have time for the endless grind, only win with my suggestion.

@Kyronix consider account bound rewards as part of your "War on Unapproved 3rd party programs"

username said:

Yep, it would only benefit you. You could farm up an entire set for all your chars and accounts in a fraction of the time you previously did it for one server, given the point cost for rewards could be majorly reduced. Missed out on one server? Since account bound, not shard bound, just transfer them over, like a true sandbox.

I really don't think you thought your reply through. At all. This only benefits your situtation 10000% and would save you time while hurting RMT bots 😂 and save you gold. You, and legitimate players that don't have time for the endless grind, only win with my suggestion.

@ Kyronix consider account bound rewards as part of your "War on Unapproved 3rd party programs"

Only shard bound items need become account bound 

guys,  can you take that elsewhere,  I am waiting for @Kyronix is reply to my earlier postand I dont want this to degenerate into a row and become locked

JackFlashUk said:

guys,  can you take that elsewhere,  I am waiting for @ Kyronix is reply to my earlier postand I dont want this to degenerate into a row and become locked

He already answered what's going to happen in prodo shards for the rest of the year.  Thread may as well go elsewhere or be locked.

They have said they are not going to revamp armor sets.  First what would you make those 8 or more sets do?  The events are where we get new items now.

They are not going to revamp Doom.  What would they add?  Things that we get from ToTs?

Would take then 10 years to re do all the items you get from drops.  There are thousands of them. By the time they revamp them, power creep would make them useless again.

That is why they introduce new items thru what posters asked for all the time. ToTs.

Jha_dur said:

username said:

Yep, it would only benefit you. You could farm up an entire set for all your chars and accounts in a fraction of the time you previously did it for one server, given the point cost for rewards could be majorly reduced. Missed out on one server? Since account bound, not shard bound, just transfer them over, like a true sandbox.

I really don't think you thought your reply through. At all. This only benefits your situtation 10000% and would save you time while hurting RMT bots 😂 and save you gold. You, and legitimate players that don't have time for the endless grind, only win with my suggestion.

@ Kyronix consider account bound rewards as part of your "War on Unapproved 3rd party programs"

Yes I did think my reply through. One good thing about this game is that if I change my mind on a piece of armor or weapon I am using I can sell it to help me get the other piece of armor I desire. Account bound makes any item you obtain useless to anyone other than you. If it becomes useless in the future to you, then it is useless in general. At least with shard bound if I change my mind on something 3-6 months down the road I can sell it to someone else and buy an item that works for me. Account bound is a horrible idea. I am still not a huge fan of shard bound but I can understand why they did it, kind of.

I wish you would stop trying to peddle your nonsensical idea though as this great solution to bots. This idea only solves the issue of bots at these events. It does not solve the issue of bots related to all other aspects of the game. Instead of trying to impact other peoples game play, how about Broadsword do something about the bots. You know like suspend account and ban accounts. While your solution would theoretically solve the bot problem, it also impacts other players and is the equivalent of squeegeeing the floor while water is still pouring out of a broken pipe. It may not bother you, but it would likely bother others, myself included.

Something I have mentioned in another thread that could help solve the problem of bots farming the items for future profit and the problem of other players who missed previous events is to make the items available to purchase on an in game vendor for in-game gold. Set the price at something like 25-50m immediately after the event and have the price scale up to 100m or something over the course of the next 12 months. I have said higher prices in other threads but really the final price is something that can be worked out towards the end. One thing I have not said and that I thought of now is to make the vendor purchased items non-shard bound.

Making them non-shard bound has the effect of always ensuring that the shard bound versions are worth a fraction of the price of the non-shard bound ones. Do not want to buy the item but instead farm it, cool. Do not want to grind for days, go buy the item from the vendor. The development team also controls the price of these items and essentially limits the long term ROI for the bot accounts. I would guess to say that these bot account have items stashed away in bank boxes to slowly trickle into the market. This allows them to slowly increase the price and maximize there profit, RE: Balron Bone Armor before the pirate event. It was up to 800m-1p for it from what I remember seeing on Atlantic. If the maximum price for a non-shard bound item was 100m, it would have gotten to maybe 60-70m maximum price. Reduce the potential long term profit and I bet you see a dramatic decrease in the bot accounts at these events. Finally, allowing the items to be bought off of a vendor has the added benefit of being a potentially huge gold sink. I do not think many people would complain if a few hundred plat was removed from the gold pool in game.

... And how's that working out for you? Guess you can get 20m for your Balron Bone armor that originally cost you 150 1-2m artifacts. Great investment that'd have been. Shogun items are all the same price, if not cheaper, than when they dropped. You really think you can compete with these bot farms in the marketplace, even years down the road, is delusional. It's clearly not working, but, people like you are so selfish in this game, only thinking of their selves, and what benefits them. Narcissism. It's only a nonsensical idea to people that don't have a brain and/or don't use it. 

You enjoy farming up points at a mediocre rate only to have the item you claim that took you at least an hour be worth 50m? That's on you. Yes, I, and most other players, would rather them be un-tradable, but transferrable, and be able to acquire them faster while giving a giant middle finger to bots. I don't have infinite time unlike some no-lifers that sit in the game 24/7. 

Just take a look at how many people have quit because of no development and no new content for the game. On the unofficial forums there have been several recent posts where people have quit, citing specifically the ToTs are the main reason they've quit, botting + boring, the little of content we get is not even worth doing lol. I've seen entire guilds collapse because of how much of a grind and the fact it's the only content we get is. We need something different that's not a huge grindfest and my suggestion would not only alleviate that quite a bit, but also encourage people to come back to get 'limited' time account bound items.

Speaking of which, I love how you entirely glance over the fact it would be fantastic for subscriptions and potions of fortune 😂 And every other MMO I can think of has character/account bound gear. But keep dreaming, yea I'm the crazy one 😂

@sibble unless you are playing on Atl UO does not need any more housing area.

Yes players would love new dyes and new things to turn in!  Small amount of work that would yield much happiness. 

Also please add lot of new clothing (especially something to replace the cloak), new furniture, new house tiles and some more functionality to the Classic Client. 

Not only is there nothing for production for 2 months but the developers who've been MIA for 4 years suddenly all active and attentive 

McDougle said:

Not only is there nothing for production for 2 months but the developers who've been MIA for 4 years suddenly all active and attentive 

Duh how many times did I tell you they were working on NL instead of answering questions that are of no consequence to anything.

And now you are complaining about them being active....  I'm sure I predicted that one.  It's so you.

username said:

Account bound rewards. Stops the 24/7 botting for profit. Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players. Items able to be transferred and used as intended like a true sandbox.

Lowers the grind, gets people playing -> increases subs, stops bots farming for profit, potions of glorious potion sales through the roof -> increase broadsword profit. 

Win/win/win/win for everyone.

Do it.

You beat this hobbyhorse on the regular and it's just the worst. Like oh boy reward prices are low and I can't sell them, guess I'll do the new event for two days until I have what I need and then forget it exists.

username said:

... And how's that working out for you? Guess you can get 20m for your Balron Bone armor that originally cost you 150 1-2m artifacts. Great investment that'd have been. Shogun items are all the same price, if not cheaper, than when they dropped. You really think you can compete with these bot farms in the marketplace, even years down the road, is delusional. It's clearly not working, but, people like you are so selfish in this game, only thinking of their selves, and what benefits them. Narcissism. It's only a nonsensical idea to people that don't have a brain and/or don't use it. 

You enjoy farming up points at a mediocre rate only to have the item you claim that took you at least an hour be worth 50m? That's on you. Yes, I, and most other players, would rather them be un-tradable, but transferrable, and be able to acquire them faster while giving a giant middle finger to bots. I don't have infinite time unlike some no-lifers that sit in the game 24/7. 

Just take a look at how many people have quit because of no development and no new content for the game. On the unofficial forums there have been several recent posts where people have quit, citing specifically the ToTs are the main reason they've quit, botting + boring, the little of content we get is not even worth doing lol. I've seen entire guilds collapse because of how much of a grind and the fact it's the only content we get is. We need something different that's not a huge grindfest and my suggestion would not only alleviate that quite a bit, but also encourage people to come back to get 'limited' time account bound items.

Speaking of which, I love how you entirely glance over the fact it would be fantastic for subscriptions and potions of fortune 😂 And every other MMO I can think of has character/account bound gear. But keep dreaming, yea I'm the crazy one 😂

The BOTs don't really bother me because they increase the respawn time and quantity of the mobs. I usually play am mystic-mage-spellweaver and bury myself in the midst of  BOT squad and cast area spells and summons. The mobs have to attack the BOTs to get to me.

Kyronix said:

We'll have a more detailed announcement of the fall plans as we get closer to the season, but you can expect anniversary rewards, a Halloween event (in the context of a ToT), updates to the Huntmaster's challenge, and moving into winter our holiday themed events. 

Before you tee off and bemoan the fact that we are doing another ToT, we do them for a reason.  They are very popular.  Players really enjoy them.  

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

As for the suggestions, "Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?"  Please be more specific as to what you are looking for.  These generalities don't give us much in the way of actionable feedback, so you'll have to be a bit more precise to deliver what you are asking for. 

Thanks for the feedback!

With the mechanics you have, you could get away with a lot of different things, the key would be mixing things up, finding appropriate rewards, finding interesting (or at least intense and not bad) storylines to pursue, and whatnot.

Events can be cookie cutter without looking or feeling like it. Also, at this point, you have a few different molds.

EDIT: You also have EMs. Seek their input. Great Lakes's EMs are great sources of lore, creativity, and stories. I remember when Malachi used to write the global fiction pretty consistently. What happened to that?

I wish 1/4 the effort put into this tabard "fix" had been invested in the game over the past 4 years.

The client is garbage.

Jha_dur said:

Let's just agree to disagree. You do not like my idea. I do not like yours. Fixing the bot issue would be nice but there is not an easy solution that will not piss off a portion of the player base.

Therein lies the problem. You think you're the authority for what would piss off or not piss off the players. If only the developers did things that would not piss off the population the game would have been dead 20 years ago. Sometimes, just sometimes, the devs need to do things that some random board troll says could 'piss off the players' to make the game better.

Recent example? Lots of crying about 3rd party clients and the devs starting to do things about it. By your logic we should just continue to allow them? You don't make sense, and no I will not agree to anything with you. 

The fact is tons of players have quit due to the stagnant content and the style of these ToTs and is pissing people off more than any account bound change ever will, specifically because most players have limited time and are completely outdone by the bot farms at these events. I'd be willing to bet anyone that defends the current ToT rinse/repeat system either has no job or profits&bots these events. 

If your best is agree to not disagree, and not pose as simple of a solution as I have, you have no room to talk. Because 'account bound' is the best and simplest idea I've heard yet. 

Making rewards extremely low cost (because account bound, so no market value) to reduce legit players grind, true sandbox able to transfer items, while stopping bot farms for profit, will invigorate these tots and make people come back to play and earn the rewards. Subscriptions ++. Potion sales ++. Bots --. GIVE ME A BETTER SOLUTION.

Let's do it @Kyronix

username said:

Jha_dur said:

Let's just agree to disagree. You do not like my idea. I do not like yours. Fixing the bot issue would be nice but there is not an easy solution that will not piss off a portion of the player base.

Therein lies the problem. You think you're the authority for what would piss off or not piss off the players. If only the developers did things that would not piss off the population the game would have been dead 20 years ago. Sometimes, just sometimes, the devs need to do things that some random board troll says could 'piss off the players' to make the game better.

Recent example? Lots of crying about 3rd party clients and the devs starting to do things about it. By your logic we should just continue to allow them? You don't make sense, and no I will not agree to anything with you. 

The fact is tons of players have quit due to the stagnant content and the style of these ToTs and is pissing people off more than any account bound change ever will, specifically because most players have limited time and are completely outdone by the bot farms at these events. I'd be willing to bet anyone that defends the current ToT rinse/repeat system either has no job or profits&bots these events. 

If your best is agree to not disagree, and not pose as simple of a solution as I have, you have no room to talk. Because 'account bound' is the best and simplest idea I've heard yet. 

Making rewards extremely low cost (because account bound, so no market value) to reduce legit players grind, true sandbox able to transfer items, while stopping bot farms for profit, will invigorate these tots and make people come back to play and earn the rewards. Subscriptions ++. Potion sales ++. Bots --. GIVE ME A BETTER SOLUTION.

Let's do it @ Kyronix

My best, is to say you talk non stop bollocks. 🙂

@username
Account bound is an interesting idea, but.
On my archer char I recently replaced gloves of feudal grip with gloves of the holy warrior. 
This frees up the feudal grips for me to pass on to an alliance mate who does not have gloves of that level. It's what I do, I don't sell stuff, I give it away to friends who need it. Your idea would prevent me from helping friends in that way. 🙁  Not everything is about gold and profit.

Petra_Fyde said:

@ username
Account bound is an interesting idea, but.
On my archer char I recently replaced gloves of feudal grip with gloves of the holy warrior. 
This frees up the feudal grips for me to pass on to an alliance mate who does not have gloves of that level. It's what I do, I don't sell stuff, I give it away to friends who need it. Your idea would prevent me from helping friends in that way. 🙁  Not everything is about gold and profit.

Until everyone has access to free shard transfers both shard then account once equipped make sense 

username said:

Making rewards extremely low cost (because account bound, so no market value) to reduce legit players grind, true sandbox able to transfer items, while stopping bot farms for profit, will invigorate these tots and make people come back to play and earn the rewards. Subscriptions ++. Potion sales ++. Bots --. GIVE ME A BETTER SOLUTION.

If they go the Account Bound way that will hurt plyers with more than one main account unless they make it Master Account Bound.  I mainly play ONE shard, BAJA, and have suits set up by class and swap pieces all the time between accounts and with account bound items that means I will need to farm FOUR times the amount of items to support my TWO main accounts, NO THANK YOU.

Lord_Frodo said:

If they go the Account Bound way that will hurt plyers with more than one main account unless they make it Master Account Bound.  I mainly play ONE shard, BAJA, and have suits set up by class and swap pieces all the time between accounts and with account bound items that means I will need to farm FOUR times the amount of items to support my TWO main accounts, NO THANK YOU.

DO YOU READ????????????????????????????????

The rewards would cost a FRACTION of the turn-in points as they currently do. 100 point item = 10 points account bound.

SO NO, YOU WOULD STILL SAVE TIME AND/OR BE ABLE TO GET FAR MORE IN THE SAME TIME.

Lord_Nythrax said:

Just stop, none of this even begins to make sense and repeating yourself isn't a replacement for logic. 

"I don't agree so it doesn't make any sense" good one!

Lord_Nythrax said:
 If rewards are account bound and "extremely low cost" then people are just going to farm whatever they plan to personally equip and then dip out.

Yea, that's the point. You like mindless grinds? Also, ironically you forgot it incentivizes people to resub to actually play the game while hosing bot farms, whoops. 

Lord_Nythrax said:
They certainly aren't going to buy potions to do it, why would they? You've literally removed every incentive to buy potions.

Your same logic could be applied to current ToTs: you can just buy them from bots who run 23/7 without potions, you certainly aren't going to buy potions to do it, why would you? You've literally removed every incentive to buy potions.

F- Try harder next time.

Once again more failed logic and still no other suggestions on what to do to curb botting and reduce the grind!

@username why are you so jealous of what others have?  When I play UO. The thought of what other have or are doing does not cross my mind.

What does matter, is the usability of an item for ME.  Account bound makes stuff less usable for ME. I get extra pieces, not to sell, but to give away or use if I decide to make a new toon that could use it.

Stop being concerned about what others do and you will not be such an angry person.  That will work in RL also.

username said:

Yea, that's the point. You like mindless grinds? Also, ironically you forgot it incentivizes people to resub to actually play the game while hosing bot farms, whoops. 

Can we stop the derail now? Cleanup thread move username stuff to his own thread. Let people who don't like NL have a voice

username said:

Lord_Frodo said:

If they go the Account Bound way that will hurt plyers with more than one main account unless they make it Master Account Bound.  I mainly play ONE shard, BAJA, and have suits set up by class and swap pieces all the time between accounts and with account bound items that means I will need to farm FOUR times the amount of items to support my TWO main accounts, NO THANK YOU.

DO YOU READ????????????????????????????????

The rewards would cost a FRACTION of the turn-in points as they currently do. 100 point item = 10 points account bound.

SO NO, YOU WOULD STILL SAVE TIME AND/OR BE ABLE TO GET FAR MORE IN THE SAME TIME.

WOW  Who the hell do you think you are?  You have ZERO proof that it will be cheaper to begin with.  I DO NOT buy this stuff I farm it myself you idiot.  I always get two and share them between accounts and with account bound I would require 4 for 2 accounts.  With al due respect go #$%^ yourself and pound sand.

As @McDougle has already asked, back on topic please. This thread has been derailed far enough.

Lord_Frodo said:

username said:

Lord_Frodo said:

If they go the Account Bound way that will hurt plyers with more than one main account unless they make it Master Account Bound.  I mainly play ONE shard, BAJA, and have suits set up by class and swap pieces all the time between accounts and with account bound items that means I will need to farm FOUR times the amount of items to support my TWO main accounts, NO THANK YOU.

DO YOU READ????????????????????????????????

The rewards would cost a FRACTION of the turn-in points as they currently do. 100 point item = 10 points account bound.

SO NO, YOU WOULD STILL SAVE TIME AND/OR BE ABLE TO GET FAR MORE IN THE SAME TIME.

WOW  Who the hell do you think you are?  You have ZERO proof that it will be cheaper to begin with.  I DO NOT buy this stuff I farm it myself you idiot.  I always get two and share them between accounts and with account bound I would require 4 for 2 accounts.  With al due respect go #$%^ yourself and pound sand.

That's part of my suggestion LOL? Have only said it like 500 times. Perhaps GO READ IT instead of making yourself look dumb ragebaby. 

Here you go dumdum, quote myself a few posts ago:
username said:Items inherently 'valueless' because they cannot be used/sold therefore point -> reward prices can be very low, reduces grind for players

Lord_Nythrax said:

username said:

Yea, that's the point. You like mindless grinds? Also, ironically you forgot it incentivizes people to resub to actually play the game while hosing bot farms, whoops. 

Yeah listen champ, I don't know how to break this to you, but these events are filler content intended to keep people occupied for more than a day or two. If you've managed to get this far without realizing that, then maybe you just aren't qualified to offer suggestions. Actually, given that you think eliminating grind will somehow increase sales of anti-grind cash shop potions, yeah you definitely aren't qualified.

You might have a leg to stand on if you asked them to make rewards account bound while drastically increasing their price. I still wouldn't agree with you, but at least you wouldn't be standing here screaming into the void that the devs should squander their limited efforts by making seasonal events that last two days each.

Go ahead and post more of your tedious "general chat PVP hero" attitude if you want. Make your fonts all different sizes while you're at it, I know you really like that. But this is a terrible idea that no one agrees with and it has a 0.0% chance of ever being implemented.

Hate to break it to you, people are QUITTING because they're such massive grinds and the bots are winning. Why would prices for items in an account bound system cost MORE? You don't make sense. No one is asking for these events to last two days each, great straw man. Once again confirming no one on these forums actually reads my suggestion and are just trolls. 

Still waiting for that solution. 

Mariah said:

As @ McDougle has already asked, back on topic please. This thread has been derailed far enough.

Ok. People get really offended when you attack their RMT $ way of making money AFK with 3rd party client ways of collecting ToT items, got it.

Although, I would argue talking about ToTs is highly relevant to the post as that's the only content we get. Alas...

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Kyronix said:

We'll have a more detailed announcement of the fall plans as we get closer to the season, but you can expect anniversary rewards, a Halloween event (in the context of a ToT), updates to the Huntmaster's challenge, and moving into winter our holiday themed events. 

Before you tee off and bemoan the fact that we are doing another ToT, we do them for a reason.  They are very popular.  Players really enjoy them.  

That's not to say we are not oblivious to feedback that they can feel repetitive, as such we have some plans to spice them up with some interesting (we think) takes this year.

As for the suggestions, "Revamp the desolate lands to make them interesting?  complete champ, peerless, doom reward revamps?  new armour sets to collect?"  Please be more specific as to what you are looking for.  These generalities don't give us much in the way of actionable feedback, so you'll have to be a bit more precise to deliver what you are asking for. 

Thanks for the feedback!

Hi Kyronix,

Looking forward to some Halloween content.

On the reward side;
The Solaris Earrings have become an issue.
Also the Divinum Talisman.
When I say become an issue, I mean tons of players need these for gear set-ups, and they are soaring over 1 plat per item, and almost impossible to get hold of - it would be great if they could make a return - there are probably other items but my head is hurting right now.

Please can you fix whatever it was you did that knocked out many of the 3rd party programs. They are working as you may know, but not if you carry on like this. It is knocking out a really good playstyle. Honestly, fix this, give us our playability back, then I'll give you a ton more ideas on content, but there will be little point you introducing stuff players cannot play.

If you want the truth, if you knock out the big O, and force everyone to EC - a. many players will quit because they will not make that change, b. EC will become the next mass scripted client - it is just a different language - LUA instead of Javascript - the only reason it has not been done is no-one likes this client enough to do it yet, or, players will switch to ClassicUO, which is an open-sourced client, which basically has the whole world updating it, so they will adapt for anything you do anyway. These are not meant to be threats at all, I'm just being realistic with you. The O client has taken a hit, because their Devs stopped working on it, so it does not have the adaptability, yet it remains the best client to play on.

username said:

Hate to break it to you, people are QUITTING because they're such massive grinds and the bots are winning. Why would prices for items in an account bound system cost MORE? You don't make sense. No one is asking for these events to last two days each, great straw man. Once again confirming no one on these forums actually reads my suggestion and are just trolls. 

Still waiting for that solution. 

Mariah said:

As @ McDougle has already asked, back on topic please. This thread has been derailed far enough.

Someone asked what's up next, the dev said more ToTs, now people are talking about ToT design. It hasn't been derailed at all.

I would love to have an option beyond trash cans for old event drops.  I still have several from the ML release event and apparently trashing the pirate plunder hats still dropping is worth less than a point per hat.

Don't trash them yet, they'll just count as 'a tricorn hat', worth the same as any low end looted tricorn

Lord_Nythrax said:

username said:

Hate to break it to you, people are QUITTING because they're such massive grinds and the bots are winning. Why would prices for items in an account bound system cost MORE? You don't make sense. No one is asking for these events to last two days each, great straw man. Once again confirming no one on these forums actually reads my suggestion and are just trolls. 

Still waiting for that solution. 

Hey champ, if you reduce the cost of the items by 90% as you suggest, and you remove the ability to farm and sell extra items, then what's going to happen to the amount of time people invest in the event? That's right, everyone is going to farm what they personally want over a couple of days, and then never go back, because why would they?

Like in your fevered imagination what are people even doing in this scenario? Just playing day after day, piling up item after inexpensive item they don't need, buying potions off the cash shop so they can farm even more items they don't need and can't sell? Other people see this and think wow, that's great, I need to resubscribe so I can buy cash shop potions and spend weeks piling up hundreds of unsellable items too!

At least under the current status quo newbies can make some mils farming crap to sell. It'd be nicer if they didn't have to compete with bots, but it's still better than just nuking everything into irrelevance the way your goofy suggestion would.

Hey champ. You've been asked multiple times to stop derailing the topic. No one wants to hear your illogical rant. No one asked; no one cares. That means stop posting garbage that has nothing to do with the op. Got it?
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username said:

Hey champ. You've been asked multiple times to stop derailing the topic. No one wants to hear your illogical rant. No one asked; no one cares. That means stop posting garbage that has nothing to do with the op. Got it?

Let's leave the decision to the devs and call a halt to this.