Salvage Bag Bug Fix

The salvage bag blindly applies the smelt or cut function for every item in the bag.  Works fine for metal.  No good for tailor - no tailor wants their pile of cloth cut up.  The salvage cloth should not cut cloth into bandies.  It should skip all stacks of cloth. 

But is that really a bug?  or should the player take responsibility for moving cloth out of the bag before using the recycle process?  I usually think 'my bad' if I forget, I blame me, not the game.  I don't expect the game to do my thinking for me.

The salvage bag did exactly what it was designed to do, SALVAGE what ever you put in to it.  If you do not want it salvaged then do NOT put it in the bag, stop using it as a storage bag.  It is NOT a bug.

This reminds me of people who use their computer's recycle bin as file storage and then get upset when their files get permanently deleted.  Or when people use the trash bin next to their desk as storage and get upset when the cleaning crew empties out the bin.

TimSt said:

This reminds me of people who use their computer's recycle bin as file storage and then get upset when their files get permanently deleted.  Or when people use the trash bin next to their desk as storage and get upset when the cleaning crew empties out the bin.

When you're crafting you put the raw material in the bag and then craft so all the crafted items proc into the bag.  This is great for metal because you can't smelt ingots down into something.

It doesn't work great for cloth because you end up with bandages.

People aren't using Salvage bags for storage.  That's the flaw in your comparison. 

It's not hard to understand and it's a common mistake to make when training.  

Common to do once,
Beyond that, should you really be allowed to use sharp scissors?   

The point is not worth the time to even discuss 

Tim said:

The point is not worth the time to even discuss 

I’ve cut up cloth a few times into bandages as well
it would be nice if they’d fix this 

I stuck my 190 luck sword in one and it ate it.  Whew, I thought I committed operator error, but thankfully, it's a bug.  😂

Pawain said:

I stuck my 190 luck sword in one and it ate it.  Whew, I thought I committed operator error, but thankfully, it's a bug.  😂

This thread a perfect example of the sugar trolling that has been allowed here for far too long anyone that post any issues attacked and shut down 

Not to derail but this thread gave me the idea to see if the salvage bag would turn bolts into straight bandages. It does not. It will turn bolts into cloth then into bandages. 

Having just shy of 300 fountains of life, i really would like to have an easier way to make bandages. 

Feigr said:

Tim said:

The point is not worth the time to even discuss 

Agreed. You've posted three times without anything constructive.  The first time was a terrible comparison.  The 2nd time was to insult people or to awkwardly admit you use third party applications.  And the third time is to say you don't want to talk about it.

That's a really weird way to discuss it.

Unless someone wants to claim the salvage bag was intended to make bandages, it's a bug.  Minor or not.  Mildly irritating.

To me the intention with the bag was to put a material in it and craft so all the items go into the bag.  Then you could smelt/cut them all up at once to get a portion of your material back. 

You can not smelt ingots to anything less, if you smelt ingots you will still have ingots.
If you cut up cloth you will get bandages, it you cut up bandages you will still have bandages.
The salvage bag was introduced to make recycling mass crafting items as a quality of life upgrade, understanding how items are recycled/salvaged/made is a basic understanding of the craft you are training.  Everyone knows how to make bandages, you cut up cloth, well guess what that is exactly what the salvage bag did, what you told it to do so how is that a bug.  If you do not want cloth cut into bandages then remove any unused cloth before salvaging crafted items.  People need to take a little responsibility for their own actions and understanding basic game mechanics

Pay attention I am NOT TimSt.

He is is good at programming and always willing to help people
I'm the lazy one. Much too lazy to use a cheat program. I just pay attention to the game I'm playing. 

The salvage bag is working as it should. As has been pointed out the salvage product of cloth is bandages. 

PS I was Tim first.

Tim said:

Pay attention I am NOT TimSt.

He is is good at programming and always willing to help people
I'm the lazy one. Much too lazy to use a cheat program. I just pay attention to the game I'm playing. 

The salvage bag is working as it should. As has been pointed out the salvage product of cloth is bandages. 

PS I was Tim first.

Tim said:

Pay attention I am NOT TimSt.

He is is good at programming and always willing to help people
I'm the lazy one. Much too lazy to use a cheat program. I just pay attention to the game I'm playing. 

The salvage bag is working as it should. As has been pointed out the salvage product of cloth is bandages. 

PS I was Tim first.

It's not working as it should.  A salvage bag was not created to make bandages.  And you're now Steve.

No it isn't 
It should work like a trash barrel after 5 minutes salvage resources from anything put in it.
I'm guessing but I don't think it was intended as a crafting bag.

Tim said:

No it isn't 
It should work like a trash barrel after 5 minutes salvage resources from anything put in it.
I'm guessing but I don't think it was intended as a crafting bag.

So craft 125 daggers then put them in recycling bag? Seems kinda user unfriendly painful and if it takes cloth to bandages shouldn't it take metal back to ore?

Which takes longest? The player removing cloth from the bag before using the recycle function, or the dev re-doing the coding to make it work differently? 

Yes, I've accidentally cut cloth into bandages, but I never considered it a bug. I considered it my responsibility to remember to remove items I didn't want to recycle.

Petra_Fyde said:

Which takes longest? The player removing cloth from the bag before using the recycle function, or the dev re-doing the coding to make it work differently? 

Yes, I've accidentally cut cloth into bandages, but I never considered it a bug. I considered it my responsibility to remember to remove items I didn't want to recycle.

I'd rather have bandages.  They fit well in my fountain of life.

Take the cloth out  if you don't want bandages.

Feigr said:

Tim said:

Pay attention I am NOT TimSt.

He is is good at programming and always willing to help people
I'm the lazy one. Much too lazy to use a cheat program. I just pay attention to the game I'm playing. 

The salvage bag is working as it should. As has been pointed out the salvage product of cloth is bandages. 

PS I was Tim first.

It's not working as it should.  A salvage bag was not created to make bandages.  And you're now Steve.

Please show us your proof that salvage bags were never intended to make bandages.  You have shown us zero proof that it was NOT intended.  I remember when they first came out and everybody knew/learned that they would make bandages.

Petra_Fyde said:

Which takes longest? The player removing cloth from the bag before using the recycle function, or the dev re-doing the coding to make it work differently? 

Yes, I've accidentally cut cloth into bandages, but I never considered it a bug. I considered it my responsibility to remember to remove items I didn't want to recycle.

Quit using your brain and common sense.  More and more people want UO to play itself.

Feigr said:

EDIT: Also, it very well could end up being that the player removing the cloth from the bag time exceeds Dev time.  Thousands of players encounter this.  Plus accounting for time from when you're crafting to when you're able to craft again because of going to get more cloth... It could very well easily exceed Dev time.

If you want to go the efficiency argument...

No they do not because we are smart enough to remove the cloth from the bag or only put in enough cloth to make the quantities we want.  And most crafters have tons of resources on hand while they are crafting so they do not have to run to the store to get more material.  Do you start cooking and then realize half way through the process you need to run to the store and get more stuff, it is called being prepared for the project you want to do before you start.

My thoughts are this, it is designed to recycle what is in it and you have to have the correct tool to use it (scissors/smithing tool and it has a failure message if you don't have the corect tool) which means that the bag uses said tool to process what is in the bag. Scissors turn cloth/leather items into cloth/Leather, Smithing tools turn metal smithed items into ingots. Scissors also turn cloth into bandages, so it appears it is working as intended. they would need to reprogram scissors not to cut bulk cloth into Bandages to avoid this, which would neccesitate them making a different tool for making bandages out of cloth. I may be wrong but that is how I see it.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

they would need to reprogram scissors not to cut bulk cloth into Bandages to

I was with you until you said this.  There are other solutions.

Feigr said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

they would need to reprogram scissors not to cut bulk cloth into Bandages to

I was with you until you said this.  There are other solutions.

there are, but I stand by my statement the bag uses the tools to recycle so it will only do what the tools do and one of the tools turns bulk cloth into bandages.. 

I have no doubt that the salvage bag was coded to just use the tools on everything in the bag. 

However, they did include exceptions and new functions to the tools when combined with the bag.

@Feigr quit being lazy and just take out the unused cloth before you use the salvage function.  How long has the salvage been around and so far you are the only one that can't figure out how to use it.  Seriously you are the only person that has whined about the salvage bag, you should have been here before the DEVs gave it to us.  The Salvage Bag was added during Publish 48 on November 27, 2007

Feigr said:

I have no doubt that the salvage bag was coded to just use the tools on everything in the bag. 

However, they did include exceptions and new functions to the tools when combined with the bag.

Normal scissors can't cut everything at once.  That's new.

Just because something can be explained doesn't mean that it was intended.  And just because something was coded poorly, it doesn't mean it has to remain coded poorly.

Why would they intend for the bag to make bandages? You can already make bandages with everything except the bag just as easily.

Also, every argument so far seems to just be an argument to continue a contention or it's stemming from a position of trying to save developer time.  Both are nonsense arguments from a consumer and gamer perspective.

Many games, even with limited teams, make huge lists of patches and fixes in games. 

Vampire Survivors, for example, has one developer.  And it had a weekly patch cycle that puts almost all the UO patches to shame.

Rimworld, one developer.

Dwarf Fortress, one developer.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be changed and just accepting it, I am simply showing how it isn't bugged. I'd be all for the change and would welcome it for when I do Bods. Just because something doesn't act the way you feel it should, doesn't mean it is bugged.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Feigr said:

I have no doubt that the salvage bag was coded to just use the tools on everything in the bag. 

However, they did include exceptions and new functions to the tools when combined with the bag.

Normal scissors can't cut everything at once.  That's new.

Just because something can be explained doesn't mean that it was intended.  And just because something was coded poorly, it doesn't mean it has to remain coded poorly.

Why would they intend for the bag to make bandages? You can already make bandages with everything except the bag just as easily.

Also, every argument so far seems to just be an argument to continue a contention or it's stemming from a position of trying to save developer time.  Both are nonsense arguments from a consumer and gamer perspective.

Many games, even with limited teams, make huge lists of patches and fixes in games. 

Vampire Survivors, for example, has one developer.  And it had a weekly patch cycle that puts almost all the UO patches to shame.

Rimworld, one developer.

Dwarf Fortress, one developer.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be changed and just accepting it, I am simply showing how it isn't bugged. I'd be all for the change and would welcome it for when I do Bods. Just because something doesn't act the way you feel it should, doesn't mean it is bugged.

Well, now we're in Pedantic territory.  So define bug.

Because I say it's a flaw or unintended consequence.

So ignore the opinions of those who have no reason to salvage cloth since they want to fill their collection of Fountain of Life?

I have a feeling the devs know what it does.  The way it works caters to all.  Take out the cloth if that is where you want to stop.  

A bug would mean it turns a shirt into bandage on the first salvage.

Feigr said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Feigr said:

I have no doubt that the salvage bag was coded to just use the tools on everything in the bag. 

However, they did include exceptions and new functions to the tools when combined with the bag.

Normal scissors can't cut everything at once.  That's new.

Just because something can be explained doesn't mean that it was intended.  And just because something was coded poorly, it doesn't mean it has to remain coded poorly.

Why would they intend for the bag to make bandages? You can already make bandages with everything except the bag just as easily.

Also, every argument so far seems to just be an argument to continue a contention or it's stemming from a position of trying to save developer time.  Both are nonsense arguments from a consumer and gamer perspective.

Many games, even with limited teams, make huge lists of patches and fixes in games. 

Vampire Survivors, for example, has one developer.  And it had a weekly patch cycle that puts almost all the UO patches to shame.

Rimworld, one developer.

Dwarf Fortress, one developer.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be changed and just accepting it, I am simply showing how it isn't bugged. I'd be all for the change and would welcome it for when I do Bods. Just because something doesn't act the way you feel it should, doesn't mean it is bugged.

Well, now we're in Pedantic territory.  So define bug.

Because I say it's a flaw or unintended consequence.

And that to me is exactly what is going on.

I don't think it was intended for the Salvage Bag to work just like scissors on a stack of cloth because scissors already do that. 

if they weren't intended to work just like scissors, I feel like you wouldn't need scissors to use them . . .

I did not know you needed scissors on you to turn cloth to bandages using the salvage bag.  I had to load EC to find the 5 pairs I had on me. lol.  But, that is correct.


Clippers count as scissors for the bag.  That part may be a bug.

I think you have to have scissors to recycle cloth in the salvage bag 

I’m not at my comp or I’d dbl check 

Skett said:

I think you have to have scissors to recycle cloth in the salvage bag 

I’m not at my comp or I’d dbl check 

I just did.  You do need them or clippers.  I was wondering why I has scissors.  Can't salvage leather items without them.

Will clippers cut bandages 

Skett said:

Will clippers cut bandages 

Nope nor clothing. 
But if you just have clippers, you can salvage the clothing then bandages.   That's why I said that part may be a bug.  But not something worth changing. Unless we are exploiting clippers.

Pawain said:

Skett said:

Will clippers cut bandages 

Nope nor clothing. 
But if you just have clippers, you can salvage the clothing then bandages.   That's why I said that part may be a bug.  But not something worth changing. Unless we are exploiting clippers.

Curses, you figured out my master plan. I was gonna take over UO with this.

Pawain said:

So ignore the opinions of those who have no reason to salvage cloth since they want to fill their collection of Fountain of Life?

I have a feeling the devs know what it does.  The way it works caters to all.  Take out the cloth if that is where you want to stop.  

A bug would mean it turns a shirt into bandage on the first salvage.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the fountains TBH.  I'm assuming there's something I'm missing, but why would just plain scissors not do the same exact function?

Feigr said:

Pawain said:

So ignore the opinions of those who have no reason to salvage cloth since they want to fill their collection of Fountain of Life?

I have a feeling the devs know what it does.  The way it works caters to all.  Take out the cloth if that is where you want to stop.  

A bug would mean it turns a shirt into bandage on the first salvage.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the fountains TBH.  I'm assuming there's something I'm missing, but why would just plain scissors not do the same exact function?

That's what we used before the salvage bag.     But they decided we needed a QoL improvement and made the salvage bag.  

Fountains of Life make Enhanced bandages.

I understand what they do, but I don't see what the Salvage Bag does to make it easier.

Feigr said:

I understand what they do, but I don't see what the Salvage Bag does to make it easier.

I don't have to click scissors after I turn a shirt to cloth.  Just salvage again.

If that's your arguments, I'm good with that.

I've made the case as well as I could.  I feel like most of you aren't arguing the case in good faith anyways and it's a minor issue. 

The real issue is the attitude of the players let's be honest the Developers need no help with ignoring and not fixing bugs why the players feel the need to attack anyone is beyond me

Grimbeard said:

The real issue is the attitude of the players let's be honest the Developers need no help with ignoring and not fixing bugs why the players feel the need to attack anyone is beyond me

Not attacking, just explaining that this particular issue isn't a bug, but the way that it works. They need to change the way the salvage bag works in order to change the outcome of using the salvage bag on cut cloth. As long as you need to use scissors, it will do what scissors do. instead of using scissors and smith tools they will need to make the salvage bag the "Tool" and make it where it will obly process armor/weapons/clothing. and it would also be nice if they added tinkered metal items to it. 

Petra_Fyde said:

But is that really a bug?  or should the player take responsibility for moving cloth out of the bag before using the recycle process?  I usually think 'my bad' if I forget, I blame me, not the game.  I don't expect the game to do my thinking for me.

No it’s a bug because recycling is not cutting up your original crafting ingredient.  It’s recycling crafted items. It’s clearly a coding bug. It should never work this way. Ingots can’t be smelted into anything so they work fine. 

Theo said:

Petra_Fyde said:

But is that really a bug?  or should the player take responsibility for moving cloth out of the bag before using the recycle process?  I usually think 'my bad' if I forget, I blame me, not the game.  I don't expect the game to do my thinking for me.

No it’s a bug because recycling is not cutting up your original crafting ingredient.  It’s recycling crafted items. It’s clearly a coding bug. It should never work this way. Ingots can’t be smelted into anything so they work fine. 

I don’t understand why people jump out to defend poor coding at every turn.  Are you on the dev team?  Are you defending your work?  This is a bug. It should recycle crafts items not cut up cloth to bandies. End of story.  It’s literally one if statement in the smelting for next loop. Literally 2 minutes to fix and test.  

It is how it was designed to work.  There are players using bandages every day.  Before Sampires they were needed more.

Take cloth out of the bag if you do not want bandages.  Just because it does not work like you want it to work does not mean there is a bug and everyone who has made bandages using it is an exploiter.

My only issue with the Salvage bag, is that  NPC bought- items don't always salvaging on the first attempt.

@CovenantX I don't 'salvage' failed reforge attempts, I unravel them. It can take a lot of magic residue to imbue the rest of the properties onto elemental slayer weapons. failed reforges supply that need quite nicely

Petra_Fyde said:

@ CovenantX I don't 'salvage' failed reforge attempts, I unravel them. It can take a lot of magic residue to imbue the rest of the properties onto elemental slayer weapons. failed reforges supply that need quite nicely

   yea, that works too.   I'm not so much salvaging for resource returns, I'm just trying to get rid of the unwanted items so I can more quickly get the reforges/imbues I'm working towards.