Seems fairly obvious they should be restricted same as the old trials were: they can run each of these quests once and then aren't offered the quest again.

They cannot receive power scrolls from champ spawns, holiday gifts, or other rewards, so why can they endlessly run these quests to receive rewards? They've changed ToT rewards to be account bound, so at LEAST make quest rewards account bound for them?

Similarly, why are EJs able to own/use pack animals? Seem like quite a few "issues" with them using these also and the Devs don't care?

EJs were a mistake.

Doing a quest 1 time seems fair.  They can do many so they get a taste.

username said:

Seems fairly obvious they should be restricted same as the old trials were: they can run each of these quests once and then aren't offered the quest again.

They cannot receive power scrolls from champ spawns, holiday gifts, or other rewards, so why can they endlessly run these quests to receive rewards? They've changed ToT rewards to be account bound, so at LEAST make quest rewards account bound for them?

Similarly, why are EJs able to own/use pack animals? Seem like quite a few "issues" with them using these also and the Devs don't care?

EJs were a mistake.

WOW Didn't know they could repeat them and totally agree that EJs were a mistake.  They should have just taken the time limit off the old trial accounts.

I wouldnt call EJ a Mistake so to say   yes there could be imporvements here and there  and this is something that should be looked at when they have the time and resources that allows.  With NLS on the Horizon and production shard content updates  there is very little manpower to make any changes at the exact moment.   I am glad we have an outlet to express our opinions that the dev team reads. 

Exactly which quests and exactly how are EJ accounts doing them more than once affecting your game play?

TimSt said:

Exactly which quests and exactly how are EJ accounts doing them more than once affecting your game play?

How is his posting about it affecting yours?

Grimbeard said:

TimSt said:

Exactly which quests and exactly how are EJ accounts doing them more than once affecting your game play?

How is his posting about it affecting yours?

My comment would not affect other people's game play.  His post would if the devs took action on it.  Why have the devs spend days implementing and testing a change that does not affect the poster's game play just because the poster hates EJ players?

TimSt said:

Grimbeard said:

TimSt said:

Exactly which quests and exactly how are EJ accounts doing them more than once affecting your game play?

How is his posting about it affecting yours?

My comment would not affect other people's game play.  His post would if the devs took action on it.  Why have the devs spend days implementing and testing a change that does not affect the poster's game play just because the poster hates EJ players?

 the opinion that ej accounts are trouble is shared by many 

@Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

My feelings on EJ accounts is well known and irrelevant it's the culture of the forum that shoots down any opinions that do not toe the company line is what troubles me. 

https://youtu.be/nUkHQ0mKvZI?si=Jyl_aaBiaAu4PTSJ&t=1949

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

So by that reasoning you are for all forms of cheating and multiboxing

Lord_Frodo said:

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

So by that reasoning you are for all forms of cheating and multiboxing

Nope. Cheating and multiboxing affect other people's game play either in pvp, or killing mobs during ToT events that other players could have killed. 

TimSt said:

Lord_Frodo said:

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

So by that reasoning you are for all forms of cheating and multiboxing

Nope. Cheating and multiboxing affect other people's game play either in pvp, or killing mobs during ToT events that other players could have killed. 

The honest player who grinds to get saws might not enjoy being undercut 

Grimbeard said:

TimSt said:

Lord_Frodo said:

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

So by that reasoning you are for all forms of cheating and multiboxing

Nope. Cheating and multiboxing affect other people's game play either in pvp, or killing mobs during ToT events that other players could have killed. 

The honest player who grinds to get saws might not enjoy being undercut 

Don't forget all the Crafting Tallys or recipes but I guess those do not affect other players

Someone else grinding to get saws, tallys, and recipes does not prevent you from grinding to get them as well.  They are not a limited resource that runs out. One IP prevents more than one EJ from the same network to grind to get them. So if there are multiple characters grinding at the same time then they are not EJ accounts but paid accounts.

Yes it does affect the honest player as it devalues his goods, ever hear of VPNs or this in Windows 10, you can also change your IP address from the Control Panel, but I guess you don't think this could be automated.  It only takes one 24/7 automated account to affect honest players.

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

Any quest that undermines/lowers the value of items that honest players sell to upgrade their game playing experience.  Inflation is not a reason to allow cheating.

TimSt said:

Lord_Frodo said:

TimSt said:

@ Grimbeard How does EJ players being able to do these unknown quests more than once affect your game play?

So by that reasoning you are for all forms of cheating and multiboxing

Nope. Cheating and multiboxing affect other people's game play either in pvp, or killing mobs during ToT events that other players could have killed. 

So that same reasoning could be used for quests also because it is less items that an honest player could have gotten.

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

I am not hurt by low prices.  Let me know when 120 pet scrolls are cheap.

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

Nor do we know if they are EJ accounts.  If what they are doing is so profitable they can buy game time with their gold.

So Paid accounts should not repeat quests either?

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

Lord_Frodo said:

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

Do all players check in to you before playing, do you require them to tell you how many accounts they will be using for that session?

If not, you do not know what each player uses.  Have you tested this VPN theory for yourself?
VPN changes your IP address but does it change it for each program you are running, each tab on your browser?  I think there would be more to it than just running a VPN.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

Do all players check in to you before playing, do you require them to tell you how many accounts they will be using for that session?

If not, you do not know what each player uses.  Have you tested this VPN theory for yourself?
VPN changes your IP address but does it change it for each program you are running, each tab on your browser?  I think there would be more to it than just running a VPN.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Can I Use Multiple VPNs at the Same Time? 

Lord_Frodo said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

Do all players check in to you before playing, do you require them to tell you how many accounts they will be using for that session?

If not, you do not know what each player uses.  Have you tested this VPN theory for yourself?
VPN changes your IP address but does it change it for each program you are running, each tab on your browser?  I think there would be more to it than just running a VPN.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Can I Use Multiple VPNs at the Same Time? 

The short answer is yes

And if you think all those EJ Accounts are single players than you are a bigger fool than anybody thought.

Do all EJ Accounts tell you they are all solo, see how stupid that question is.

I am not the poster claiming  they know who is an EJ account  and who is not.

Personally I would use a paid account to do those things, since  I would be attended so I would not be banned and have to make more accounts.

Lord_Frodo said:

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

I said IF they are playing solo.
If they are playing with other players it is another issue

By the way how many other players do you drag along on low level quests?
Again we don't know what quest he was complaining about EJ player doing.

Tim said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Tim said:

The other Tim asked a question that still hasn't been answered.
What quest is being done and how does it affect you?
I'm not saying it doesn't just asking for more information

In my case 90% of the quests I know about wouldn't affect me if someone was doing them 24/7.

If it lowers prices .....   wasn't everyone complaing about inflation? 

If it lowers prices and hurts honest players sales than yes. but the attitude if oh they are cheating but it's ok because no one is hurt is very wrong 

If they are playing a solo game and not hurting anyone why is it any of your business?

Are you afraid they are going to "win" UO?

Note we still don't know what quests they were doing the original poster was complaining about.

LOL You seriously think EJ accounts are solo players.

I said IF they are playing solo.
If they are playing with other players it is another issue

By the way how many other players do you drag along on low level quests?
Again we don't know what quest he was complaining about EJ player doing.

I have helped players with their quests but I do not take players with me on low lvl quests.
As far as EJs and quests none of them should be repeatable, EJs should be to give you an idea of UO so you will sub and UO took it way to far with way to many freedoms.

See we still view ej accounts as trial accounts while they are really just free to play accounts which turned UO into pay to win despite Mesanna saying that would never happen 

Grimbeard said:

See we still view ej accounts as trial accounts while they are really just free to play accounts which turned UO into pay to win despite Mesanna saying that would never happen 

I even remember Mesanna saying they were Trial Accounts, LMAO, some trial they turned out to be.

Tim said:

Again we don't know what quest he was complaining about EJ player doing.

It's irrelevant. Any quest with a reward should not be able to be ran ad nauseum by EJs, bots or otherwise.

As stated previously EJs are not able to get rewards from:

1. EM events
2. Holiday Gifts(Tokens/etc.)
3. Vet Rewards
4. Holiday/reward Clicky
5. ToTs (acct bound for Tokuno and not at all from the upcoming one?)
6. Champ spawns
7. Paragon arty drops
8. Direct-to-backpack drops (as far as I'm aware)

Allowing them to receive rewards from repeatable quests is inconsistent with current EJ policy. Want to do such activities? Sub up. That's their stance on those already so let's make it consistent.

I would also like to know if they can farm keys for bosses, such as lady Mel, Medusa eggs, etc. because that should also not be allowed. Anyone know?

Because they wanted to get to the other side.

username said:

1. Direct-to-backpack drops (as far as I'm aware)

Allowing them to receive rewards from repeatable quests is inconsistent with current EJ policy. Want to do such activities? Sub up. That's their stance on those already so let's make it consistent.

I would also like to know if they can farm keys for bosses, such as lady Mel, Medusa eggs, etc. because that should also not be allowed. Anyone know?

They (UO) needs to admit they over did EJ and start making it a true trial account by dialing back what it can and can not do.  I thought EJs were to give a taste of UO not a bite that could choke an elephant.

Ok answered my question now I can wright off you complaint as unable to mind own business.

Don't have a specific complaint just looking for something they shouldn't be able to do.

Lord_Frodo said:

They (UO) needs to admit they over did EJ and start making it a true trial account by dialing back what it can and can not do.  I thought EJs were to give a taste of UO not a bite that could choke an elephant.

People get angry when after years of saying UO would never be pay to win Mesanna makes EJ free to play effectively making UO pay to win..

Grimbeard said:

Lord_Frodo said:

They (UO) needs to admit they over did EJ and start making it a true trial account by dialing back what it can and can not do.  I thought EJs were to give a taste of UO not a bite that could choke an elephant.

People get angry when after years of saying UO would never be pay to win Mesanna makes EJ free to play effectively making UO pay to win..

Not sure how EJ free to play = Pay to win ???
I really don't see the connection.

Tim said:

Grimbeard said:

Lord_Frodo said:

They (UO) needs to admit they over did EJ and start making it a true trial account by dialing back what it can and can not do.  I thought EJs were to give a taste of UO not a bite that could choke an elephant.

People get angry when after years of saying UO would never be pay to win Mesanna makes EJ free to play effectively making UO pay to win..

Not sure how EJ free to play = Pay to win ???
I really don't see the connection.

 😂 

Lord_Frodo said:

I have helped players with their quests but I do not take players with me on low lvl quests.
As far as EJs and quests none of them should be repeatable, EJs should be to give you an idea of UO so you will sub and UO took it way to far with way to many freedoms.

Lord_Frodo said:

Any quest that undermines/lowers the value of items that honest players sell to upgrade their game playing experience.  Inflation is not a reason to allow cheating.

Tim said:

Ok answered my question now I can wright off you complaint as unable to mind own business.

Don't have a specific complaint just looking for something they shouldn't be able to do.

How much more specific do you need?  Any and all quest in UO that can be repeated by a paid account should not be repeatable by a non paid account or are you so clueless that you do not know any repeatable quests.

I see no reason they shouldn't be able to do repeatable quests.