Newsletter 19

I wonder what Vermyn is dropping books. 😂

https://mailchi.mp/broadsword/uo-newsletter-19

 😂 

Asking for a friend, how can he get a copy of the books in question? He wants to know so he can stay away from the dangerous material 😂
Thanks in advance.

shootgun said:

Asking for a friend, how can he get a copy of the books in question? He wants to know so he can stay away from the dangerous material 😂
Thanks in advance.

I hear they had some at the idoc earlier.  

Absolutely zero way to enforce this and 10000% likely to be used to grief yes Mr GM Pawain was dropping them everywhere 

Looks like a little dig at that other place. I like.

Oreogl said:

I hear they had some at the idoc earlier.  

Oh no, I must have missed it. I will be walking around Luna so I can destroy it before it is picked up by an innocent bystander in case it accidentally falls from the pockets of another gentleman. Also, where do you guys get/buy scripts/etc for those nasty 3rd party programs? My friend would really like to stay away from those sites ;p

Urge said:

Looks like a little dig at that other place. I like.

Ya they did, I missed it.  But I heard about the newsletter there first.... 😂

Pinco's is NOT a third party program. It is a player created UI. Any player can do this in EC, it's just that Pinco was so good at it, most people chose to use his, and he made it available to all.

Ah ok - I've never used it as I barely ever use EC so I wasn't really sure what Pinco's was; only that lots of people use it and UO didn't create it.

keven2002 said:

• Interesting the Newsletter talks about "any 3rd party clients" and says they aren't legal but then doesn't go into the things that are legal. I feel like this is a misstep and kind of confusing because I thought UOA & Pinco's were technically considered "3rd party" but were approved. Mesanna could have cleared everything up right there by saying what was accepted and anything outside of that is a bannable offense.

UOA and Pinco are only considered 3rd party "utility" or add-on to the official client. The only thing i hear about the big O is that it's it own client. Idk. 

keven2002 said:

This newsletter seems purposefully light on the details but good to see NL seems to be on track and that we soon be getting the rest of pub 117 on TC1 soon. I did have a few thoughts/observations on the newsletter:

• Piecing the timeline together, we are getting Pub117 live sometime after Easter (March31) and I'm assuming the first part of April (maybe being hopeful there). If that's true then it seems like we should be getting updates of TC1 for the non-PvP updates before Easter. Mainly just hoping we get adequate time to actually test the stuff on TC1 before it's dropped in Prod.
• Interesting the Newsletter talks about "any 3rd party clients" and says they aren't legal but then doesn't go into the things that are legal. I feel like this is a misstep and kind of confusing because I thought UOA & Pinco's were technically considered "3rd party" but were approved. Mesanna could have cleared everything up right there by saying what was accepted and anything outside of that is a bannable offense.
  
• I guess moongoats are becoming more than an inside joke now? I've ignored it up until now, as just some sort of "you had to be there to know" thing, but since we are now seeing it in the Newsletter I guess I'll bite. Is this anything more than someone mistyping "moongates"?
• There are a ton of social media / web things that were provided for "keeping up with UO". Is it safe to assume most of them will provide the same info? I'm not big on social media / twitch so the only avenues I really use would be here (and the "other" forum lol) and maybe Youtube if I was looking to see how new content should be used. Just wanted to make sure that I'm not missing something (I don't care about EM events) by not using social media or twitch.
  

Seriously though, what is with the Moongoats?

what I just love about this community is the imagination

There are loads of goats wandering around Luna bank in Europa that have been tamed/released and renamed "moongoats"

lol 

JackFlashUk said:

what I just love about this community is the imagination

There are loads of goats wandering around Luna bank in Europa that have been tamed/released and renamed "moongoats"

lol 

LOL That's great.

I saw a pink rabbit on Legends near the Moonglow Moongate yesterday. 

just seems like unnecessary steps being taken, instead of something that would actually address the issue.

CovenantX said:

So, if third-party-programs are detectable, what's the point in going after the books written using the those programs?     

I missed something.
Who said third-party-programs are detectable?

Tim said:

CovenantX said:

So, if third-party-programs are detectable, what's the point in going after the books written using the those programs?     

I missed something.
Who said third-party-programs are detectable?

Mesanna at a meet and greet years ago she was lying though

Calvins Crowner's spreadsheet, remember that?

AtomicBetty said:

Tim said:

CovenantX said:

So, if third-party-programs are detectable, what's the point in going after the books written using the those programs?     

I missed something.
Who said third-party-programs are detectable?

Mesanna at a meet and greet years ago she was lying though

But at least it scared all the scripters enough to stop th..........

Oh wait, no it didn't 

They just laughed and ramped up their efforts knowing they cannot be found, Bravo Mesanna!

Mariah said:

Pinco's is NOT a third party program. It is a player created UI. Any player can do this in EC, it's just that Pinco was so good at it, most people chose to use his, and he made it available to all.

while im not a fan of pincos (to me its borderline cheating) id like to point out that one of the most used cheats in the game, that goes well beyond anything pincos can do, is also an entire UI, also player created, not technically a third party program. 

ScamNews said:

@ Mesanna @ Kyronix

Why not make books and runes decay in few secs?

That will solve soooo many problems!

keven2002 said:

ScamNews said:

@ Mesanna @ Kyronix

Why not make books and runes decay in few secs?

That will solve soooo many problems!

Noooooo! This is where my old school UO player kicks in... I take runes off the ground in Luna and use them to remark instead of spending the 15gp at the NPC lol.

I'm sure they probably can detect third party clients depending on some back end stuff (just a guess) but I'm not sure they care to. It's a giant can of worms. If you are going to openly action people using 3rd party clients you can't be selective and ban Joe Shmoe who is using it to gather/fill bods while leaving ATL FEL YEW Moongate Gang to blatantly use scripts which are obviously not something you can do in with CC or EC. That's a very bad look. Then again if they do go around banning all the paid accounts using them they are going to lose a ton of revenue from subscriptions. Kind of between a rock and a hard place.

That said, I do think if they are going to touch on the subject they should probably draw a line in the sand though. Like Atomic said... seems kind of weird they would action accounts dropping books about 3rd party programs but not the people actually using them. Maybe that is the line they decided to draw?? Seems like a really weird place to draw it but maybe that's the best they can do.

Oreogl said:

keven2002 said:

ScamNews said:

@ Mesanna @ Kyronix

Why not make books and runes decay in few secs?

That will solve soooo many problems!

Noooooo! This is where my old school UO player kicks in... I take runes off the ground in Luna and use them to remark instead of spending the 15gp at the NPC lol.

I'm sure they probably can detect third party clients depending on some back end stuff (just a guess) but I'm not sure they care to. It's a giant can of worms. If you are going to openly action people using 3rd party clients you can't be selective and ban Joe Shmoe who is using it to gather/fill bods while leaving ATL FEL YEW Moongate Gang to blatantly use scripts which are obviously not something you can do in with CC or EC. That's a very bad look. Then again if they do go around banning all the paid accounts using them they are going to lose a ton of revenue from subscriptions. Kind of between a rock and a hard place.

That said, I do think if they are going to touch on the subject they should probably draw a line in the sand though. Like Atomic said... seems kind of weird they would action accounts dropping books about 3rd party programs but not the people actually using them. Maybe that is the line they decided to draw?? Seems like a really weird place to draw it but maybe that's the best they can do.

Yeah it’s an odd take.  Ban the advertising of 3rd party programs but not the use of.

I know darkscribe also mentioned using Punkbuster in the past.  Not sure what happened.

Punkbuster was a very evasive program that demanded total access to your entire computer system, not just the UO part, and was prone to a lot of false positives.  Once banned by Punkbuster you were banned on all games under their dome of protection.

Lord_Frodo said:

Oreogl said:

keven2002 said:

ScamNews said:

@ Mesanna @ Kyronix

Why not make books and runes decay in few secs?

That will solve soooo many problems!

Noooooo! This is where my old school UO player kicks in... I take runes off the ground in Luna and use them to remark instead of spending the 15gp at the NPC lol.

I'm sure they probably can detect third party clients depending on some back end stuff (just a guess) but I'm not sure they care to. It's a giant can of worms. If you are going to openly action people using 3rd party clients you can't be selective and ban Joe Shmoe who is using it to gather/fill bods while leaving ATL FEL YEW Moongate Gang to blatantly use scripts which are obviously not something you can do in with CC or EC. That's a very bad look. Then again if they do go around banning all the paid accounts using them they are going to lose a ton of revenue from subscriptions. Kind of between a rock and a hard place.

That said, I do think if they are going to touch on the subject they should probably draw a line in the sand though. Like Atomic said... seems kind of weird they would action accounts dropping books about 3rd party programs but not the people actually using them. Maybe that is the line they decided to draw?? Seems like a really weird place to draw it but maybe that's the best they can do.

Yeah it’s an odd take.  Ban the advertising of 3rd party programs but not the use of.

I know darkscribe also mentioned using Punkbuster in the past.  Not sure what happened.

Punkbuster was a very evasive program that demanded total access to your entire computer system, not just the UO part, and was prone to a lot of false positives.  Once banned by Punkbuster you were banned on all games under their dome of protection.

Ah, well that certainly is interesting.  I can see why they wouldn’t want to move forward with it in that case.

Oreogl said:

Ah, well that certainly is interesting.  I can see why they wouldn’t want to move forward with it in that case.

I was very vocal against it. If i remember correctly there was no real clarity on what when or how it worked.

I strictly run UOA for this but i do have the other assist to access free shards when times here got boring. There was no word if we could be banned for just having it installed and not running. 

The classic client is in extremely embarrassing shape and literally runs much worse than it used to years ago. The enhanced client was never ready for prime time in the first place. The fact that widespread adoption of third party clients is a problem that's even on the radar is a giant red flag indicating that technical execution of basic game functions is falling below levels users find acceptable.

I still like the charm of the CC but really enjoy some of the things EC can do. The fact they havent allowed us to resize the CC game window drives me nuts. The client window was fine 15-20 years ago when everyone ran the same size PC monitor. But now that I have grown up monitor, I want to enjoy my game on my ultrawide and I cant lol. If they fix anything in the CC, it would have to be that for me.

Just sayin.

Omnicron said:

I still like the charm of the CC but really enjoy some of the things EC can do. The fact they havent allowed us to resize the CC game window drives me nuts. The client window was fine 15-20 years ago when everyone ran the same size PC monitor. But now that I have grown up monitor, I want to enjoy my game on my ultrawide and I cant lol. If they fix anything in the CC, it would have to be that for me.

Just sayin.

@Mariah

Yea, Ive seen that, and it helps somewhat, but here is what it looks like on my screen lol. First world problems. 

Mariah said:

Omnicron said:

I still like the charm of the CC but really enjoy some of the things EC can do. The fact they havent allowed us to resize the CC game window drives me nuts. The client window was fine 15-20 years ago when everyone ran the same size PC monitor. But now that I have grown up monitor, I want to enjoy my game on my ultrawide and I cant lol. If they fix anything in the CC, it would have to be that for me.

Just sayin.

You do know that you can resize CC now?

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/technical/classic-client-user-guide/classic-client-options-menu/

I had no idea they added more game size windows.

thanks for sharing

As has been pointed out 

1. Companies much larger than Broadsword haven't been able to stop people using "cheater programs"
2. As every good officer knows it's really stupid to give orders you can't enforce and know will be disobeyed. So ordering everyone to stop using unofficial clients is a waste of time and diminishes anything else they say.
3. Most people are not going to change the client they know for a new one unless you can convince them the learning curve is worth their effort. 
4. Most of the bugs mentioned are not deal killers. People are still playing.
5. Most players don't seem to care most of the time what other players are using. 

Given the above why would they spend the time, effort and resources to rebuild ether CC or EC. To fix even half the complaints on this board that's probably what it would take.

Complaints about the client and other players "cheating" have reached the point of complaints about the weather and why doesn't someone do something about it.

My wish for the new year is a policy of complaints about the clients that don't start with at least a posable fix are immediately deleted. The same goes for they are cheating without proof. It looks like they are cheating is not good enough.

Tim said:

As has been pointed out 

1. Companies much larger than Broadsword haven't been able to stop people using "cheater programs"
2. As every good officer knows it's really stupid to give orders you can't enforce and know will be disobeyed. So ordering everyone to stop using unofficial clients is a waste of time and diminishes anything else they say.
3. Most people are not going to change the client they know for a new one unless you can convince them the learning curve is worth their effort. 
4. Most of the bugs mentioned are not deal killers. People are still playing.
5. Most players don't seem to care most of the time what other players are using. 

Given the above why would they spend the time, effort and resources to rebuild ether CC or EC. To fix even half the complaints on this board that's probably what it would take.

Complaints about the client and other players "cheating" have reached the point of complaints about the weather and why doesn't someone do something about it.

My wish for the new year is a policy of complaints about the clients that don't start with at least a posable fix are immediately deleted. The same goes for they are cheating without proof. It looks like they are cheating is not good enough.