Crystal Ball of Knowledge

These are so useful for training skills.  I remember the Old Haven zone had a small little area to the south that's still there and new characters could complete this for a crystal ball.  Why hasn't that been fixed?

Getting one from the Ter Mur area is pretty deadly for a new character.  And they have to know it's there.  Those Toxic Sith move fast and have crazy poison.  Then the shadow creatures are pretty difficult to deal with when they have such high HP pools.  A couple of them have low HP pools, but they have crazy resistances.

I have mine, but it took a bit of effort.  I'd imagine a new player wouldn't want to put in that effort and this item is pretty useful. 

Make friends, word will spread about a new traveler in the land and they will bestow helpful gifts and deco upon you.  Gen chat is monitored by the old schoolers, they appear when needed.

Call out in Gen Chat and you will be surprised at the gifts you will receive for being a new player.

It's not fun just to be handed stuff.  This was one of the first little areas you got something of actual value.  They'd also have to know to ask for it.  Before, with this quest, it was a reward they had to get. 

Feigr said:

It's not fun just to be handed stuff.  This was one of the first little areas you got something of actual value.  They'd also have to know to ask for it.  Before, with this quest, it was a reward they had to get. 

UO has thousands of items.  We have spent 26 years getting what we have.  You can get a kick start or take your own 26 years to get it while new things are added.

It didn't take you 26 years to get a Crystal Ball of Knowledge.  I don't even know why you're arguing.  And you saying "I'm a veteran of so many years" is not some argument. 

You're blowing this topic way out of proportion to cause an argument. 

Feigr said:

It's not fun just to be handed stuff.  This was one of the first little areas you got something of actual value.  They'd also have to know to ask for it.  Before, with this quest, it was a reward they had to get. 

But they would know it because the people that came to help would explain things to them.  How long would it take to get an LRC suit/spell books/rune books, the list goes on and how would they even know about VS.

The topic isn't about full game knowledge.  The topic is about a new player friendly item that was available and is no longer as available.

Feigr said:

The topic isn't about full game knowledge.  The topic is about a new player friendly item that was available and is no longer as available.

We do not need every old item.  Go to the internet,  type in the skill you want to increase and use a link to tell you what to do at the skill you are at.  No more guessing.

Example.  UO Magery

Link comes up: https://www.uoguide.com/Magery

Ignore the sugar trolls @Feigr

Pawain said:

Feigr said:

The topic isn't about full game knowledge.  The topic is about a new player friendly item that was available and is no longer as available.

We do not need every old item.  Go to the internet,  type in the skill you want to increase and use a link to tell you what to do at the skill you are at.  No more guessing.

Example.  UO Magery

Link comes up: https://www.uoguide.com/Magery

Feigr said:

Pawain said:

Feigr said:

The topic isn't about full game knowledge.  The topic is about a new player friendly item that was available and is no longer as available.

We do not need every old item.  Go to the internet,  type in the skill you want to increase and use a link to tell you what to do at the skill you are at.  No more guessing.

Example.  UO Magery

Link comes up: https://www.uoguide.com/Magery

It's mentioned in a few of the ones you aren't cherry picking and it's mentioned in the main article for skills.  The guide recommends having a Crystal Ball of Knowledge. 

In my case it was the Fishing one.

Again, the topic isn't about compensating for not fixing it.  It's about how it was available to new players and now isn't as available..

"A crystal ball of knowledge is really helpful in deciding where on the dock you need to be. Your catch at this level will consist of."

It's also mentioned a few times on UO.com's own wiki.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/fishing/

Grimbeard said:

Ignore the sugar trolls @ Feigr

Can't resist their BS.

Another way to address this might be to put it in that New Player bundle sold on the shop.

It tells you on that page.  You fish from land or a dock until 75 skill.  Then you fish in deep water.

A crystal ball is not going to help you for this skill,  You just fish for a lot of hours until you reach 100 then you buy scrolls and fish some more.

The quest is still active and is no more difficult than it was when it was introduced.
Can probably buy the ingredients if you don't want to kill stuff.


https://www.uoguide.com/A_Mystic's_Journey

You can do this quest over and over.

If someone wants to do the quest on LS, I can spare a few hundred.

My guild hands out a Crystal Ball of Knowledge in the "New Player Package" that we give to new guildies that are new to the game.

I have no memory of the crystal ball of knowledge existing before that Ter Mur quest, can someone provide me with details?

Mariah said:

I have no memory of the crystal ball of knowledge existing before that Ter Mur quest, can someone provide me with details?

It was a reward for the new player quest when Haven was destroyed and New Haven was created. You could get a male or female statue that worked exactly like the Crystal Ball does now. Don't remember the name right now but I know I have a couple on a shard somewhere. you got them for that last Boss that no one could get to after a while because Player corpses never decayed and the recall spots (only way to reach him) got blocked (This is me remembering all this BTW, I may be recalling it incorrectly as I am only on my First Cup O' Joe)

**Edit** https://www.uoguide.com/Skill_Tutor_Statuette

ahh!  I remember that now, thanks @Victim_Of_Siege

Mariah said:

ahh!  I remember that now, thanks @ Victim_Of_Siege

You are very welcome.

I wanted to see what it would take for a new character to complete this so I took a newly made swordsman and went to get the quest. I then searched with the googlebox what dropped the two items and noticed that Chicken Lizards dropped the Dragon Blood (4) so i was able to kill enough to get those in about 20 minutes. So then we are left with Daemon Bones . . . Yeah, void creatures or Doom (if Korpre dropped Daemon Bones, Maybe). So I will agree that there needs to be a quest for these added to New Haven for new players to receive. I am not advocating it be extremely easy, just that it is not extremely hard. Also make it an obvious quest given out by Sir helper since he Says "Double Click on me for help"  I know that people give these out to new players, but some people prefer to do things on their own, so @Kyronix or any of the Devs, can we get this added to New Haven please? 

I hadn't realised chicken lizards gave blood, I'll edit the quest page to say that. I'll also add a little about Doom creatures, Gibberlings are a pretty easy kill for daemon bones

Mariah said:

I hadn't realised chicken lizards gave blood, I'll edit the quest page to say that. I'll also add a little about Doom creatures, Gibberlings are a pretty easy kill for daemon bones

if you can get to them without dying and draw them away one at a time

The Doom Dark Guardians each carry 30 demon bones.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I wanted to see what it would take for a new character to complete this so I took a newly made swordsman and went to get the quest. I then searched with the googlebox what dropped the two items and noticed that Chicken Lizards dropped the Dragon Blood (4) so i was able to kill enough to get those in about 20 minutes. So then we are left with Daemon Bones . . . Yeah, void creatures or Doom (if Korpre dropped Daemon Bones, Maybe). So I will agree that there needs to be a quest for these added to New Haven for new players to receive. I am not advocating it be extremely easy, just that it is not extremely hard. Also make it an obvious quest given out by Sir helper since he Says "Double Click on me for help"  I know that people give these out to new players, but some people prefer to do things on their own, so @ Kyronix or any of the Devs, can we get this added to New Haven please? 

I decided to come at this from a different angle and use a character that had just "graduated" from Haven. They'll have better gear by then and higher skills. I went back to Doom and stayed around the room where you drop in and killed the bats and skeletons there and had the bones i needed in 5 minutes. then i went back to Termur and collected the Dragon's Blood again, shaving it down to about 12 minutes. so in roughly 20 minutes I had what i needed for the quest and then acquired the ball. The only problem i see with the quest is where it is given, Move it to haven and it's doable, or at least have Sir Helpeer or one of the quest givers in Haven say something along the lines of "I've heard tell that in the land of the Gargoyles, one of them winged fellahs is giving a quest for an Object to help you further your training" 

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I wanted to see what it would take for a new character to complete this so I took a newly made swordsman and went to get the quest. I then searched with the googlebox what dropped the two items and noticed that Chicken Lizards dropped the Dragon Blood (4) so i was able to kill enough to get those in about 20 minutes. So then we are left with Daemon Bones . . . Yeah, void creatures or Doom (if Korpre dropped Daemon Bones, Maybe). So I will agree that there needs to be a quest for these added to New Haven for new players to receive. I am not advocating it be extremely easy, just that it is not extremely hard. Also make it an obvious quest given out by Sir helper since he Says "Double Click on me for help"  I know that people give these out to new players, but some people prefer to do things on their own, so @ Kyronix or any of the Devs, can we get this added to New Haven please? 

I decided to come at this from a different angle and use a character that had just "graduated" from Haven. They'll have better gear by then and higher skills. I went back to Doom and stayed around the room where you drop in and killed the bats and skeletons there and had the bones i needed in 5 minutes. then i went back to Termur and collected the Dragon's Blood again, shaving it down to about 12 minutes. so in roughly 20 minutes I had what i needed for the quest and then acquired the ball. The only problem i see with the quest is where it is given, Move it to haven and it's doable, or at least have Sir Helpeer or one of the quest givers in Haven say something along the lines of "I've heard tell that in the land of the Gargoyles, one of them winged fellahs is giving a quest for an Object to help you further your training" 

Should make the NPC by Percolem  and Ortlem.  Then you could combine some of the kills if you did it in Ter Mur.

Pawain said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I wanted to see what it would take for a new character to complete this so I took a newly made swordsman and went to get the quest. I then searched with the googlebox what dropped the two items and noticed that Chicken Lizards dropped the Dragon Blood (4) so i was able to kill enough to get those in about 20 minutes. So then we are left with Daemon Bones . . . Yeah, void creatures or Doom (if Korpre dropped Daemon Bones, Maybe). So I will agree that there needs to be a quest for these added to New Haven for new players to receive. I am not advocating it be extremely easy, just that it is not extremely hard. Also make it an obvious quest given out by Sir helper since he Says "Double Click on me for help"  I know that people give these out to new players, but some people prefer to do things on their own, so @ Kyronix or any of the Devs, can we get this added to New Haven please? 

I decided to come at this from a different angle and use a character that had just "graduated" from Haven. They'll have better gear by then and higher skills. I went back to Doom and stayed around the room where you drop in and killed the bats and skeletons there and had the bones i needed in 5 minutes. then i went back to Termur and collected the Dragon's Blood again, shaving it down to about 12 minutes. so in roughly 20 minutes I had what i needed for the quest and then acquired the ball. The only problem i see with the quest is where it is given, Move it to haven and it's doable, or at least have Sir Helpeer or one of the quest givers in Haven say something along the lines of "I've heard tell that in the land of the Gargoyles, one of them winged fellahs is giving a quest for an Object to help you further your training" 

Should make the NPC by Percolem  and Ortlem.  Then you could combine some of the kills if you did it in Ter Mur.

That would be a good idea. .

Thank you for putting in so much effort.  I truly appreciate it and didn't want to just not reply.

And what did we do before these things even existed, oh that is right we talked to other players and went out and just played the game.

Look, I understand where it is.  I understand how to get it.  I got it.  I just didn't want someone GIVING IT TO ME!  I also thought it would be more appropriate if it is more available to new players or new characters on new shards because it is pretty useful.

The only thing wrong here is that I didn't try Doom.  And I'd argue expecting a new player to go to Doom for it is still above and beyond. 

However, I do appreciate that Victim did it.

Feigr said:

Look, I understand where it is.  I understand how to get it.  I got it.  I just didn't want someone GIVING IT TO ME!  I also thought it would be more appropriate if it is more available to new players or new characters on new shards because it is pretty useful.

The only thing wrong here is that I didn't try Doom.  And I'd argue expecting a new player to go to Doom for it is still above and beyond. 

However, I do appreciate that Victim did it.

So you don't want it free but you want it easy.  😂

That's what the devs have to design in every part of the game. Some one will think its too easy someone will think its too hard.

Actually, you're saying it like it's a bad thing, but yea.  I do want the Crystal Ball of Knowledge to be easier to get.  I thought I was very succinct in my opening post on that matter.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I wanted to see what it would take for a new character to complete this so I took a newly made swordsman and went to get the quest. I then searched with the googlebox what dropped the two items and noticed that Chicken Lizards dropped the Dragon Blood (4) so i was able to kill enough to get those in about 20 minutes. So then we are left with Daemon Bones . . . Yeah, void creatures or Doom (if Korpre dropped Daemon Bones, Maybe). So I will agree that there needs to be a quest for these added to New Haven for new players to receive. I am not advocating it be extremely easy, just that it is not extremely hard. Also make it an obvious quest given out by Sir helper since he Says "Double Click on me for help"  I know that people give these out to new players, but some people prefer to do things on their own, so @ Kyronix or any of the Devs, can we get this added to New Haven please? 

I decided to come at this from a different angle and use a character that had just "graduated" from Haven. They'll have better gear by then and higher skills. I went back to Doom and stayed around the room where you drop in and killed the bats and skeletons there and had the bones i needed in 5 minutes. then i went back to Termur and collected the Dragon's Blood again, shaving it down to about 12 minutes. so in roughly 20 minutes I had what i needed for the quest and then acquired the ball. The only problem i see with the quest is where it is given, Move it to haven and it's doable, or at least have Sir Helpeer or one of the quest givers in Haven say something along the lines of "I've heard tell that in the land of the Gargoyles, one of them winged fellahs is giving a quest for an Object to help you further your training" 

Move it to haven and it's doable

Besides moving it to Haven, the NPC giving out the Quest should also provide informations as to "where" the player will have better chances with starting gear and skills to collect the required bones and blood...

Veterans may know where it is the easiest and fastest to collect the bones and blood, like you did, but for a new or returning player, how could they know that they would have best chances if they went to a precise Doom spot for the bones or hunted a specific Ter Mur creature for the blood ?

Yes, they could ask in Global Chat but what if they are EJ and are restricted to the Help Chat channel only ?

Wouldn't it be better to have the NPC right away tell them where to go at their initial stage, gear and skill to have the best chances to gather what is necessary to complete the Quest in a reasonable time ?

Feigr said:

Thank you for putting in so much effort.  I truly appreciate it and didn't want to just not reply.

You're welcome.

I want to Clarify my position on this, I don't want this easier to get, just easier to find the quest. 99.999% of the people that start out are going to start in New Haven. I would just like the quest for this to 1) Be moved there or D) Have the player be directed towards the quest giver in Termur by quest givers in New Haven.  

popps said:

Yes, they could ask in Global Chat but what if they are EJ and are restricted to the Help Chat channel only ?

Either they updated it or the UO.com Wiki is wrong.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/beginning-the-adventure/endless-journey/

"Chat channels are all accessible, help, general and global direct messaging."

Also, the table shows they have access to the channels.

Feigr said:

popps said:

Yes, they could ask in Global Chat but what if they are EJ and are restricted to the Help Chat channel only ?

Either they updated it or the UO.com Wiki is wrong.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/beginning-the-adventure/endless-journey/

"Chat channels are all accessible, help, general and global direct messaging."

Also, the table shows they have access to the channels.

Maybe @Mariah can answer about the UO Wiki... that I know of, EJ accounts can only access the Help Channel, not the others.

Feigr said:

popps said:

Yes, they could ask in Global Chat but what if they are EJ and are restricted to the Help Chat channel only ?

Either they updated it or the UO.com Wiki is wrong.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/beginning-the-adventure/endless-journey/

"Chat channels are all accessible, help, general and global direct messaging."

Also, the table shows they have access to the channels.

I don't know what that link says but they changed it so EJ accounts can only be in the help channel.

General chat was flooded with spam for RMT websites.  They would ban the EJ account and they would just make another EJ account.

Feigr said:

popps said:

Yes, they could ask in Global Chat but what if they are EJ and are restricted to the Help Chat channel only ?

Either they updated it or the UO.com Wiki is wrong.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/beginning-the-adventure/endless-journey/

"Chat channels are all accessible, help, general and global direct messaging."

Also, the table shows they have access to the channels.

@Mariah EJ Wiki page needs updating for chat ch.

shootgun said:

@ Feigr 

Dude stop!

There are few people on this forum whose entire purpose is to argue and shit talk. They will not contribute anything to any discussion. Often times, they will not even have a point in their posts. For them the sole purpose of visiting this forum is to tell people how wrong they are. You are wrong, they are right. That is all there is to it. They will argue and shit talk non-stop for days/weeks.

I suspect severe mental illness on their part. Over time, me and many others learned not to read their posts. Do the same, if you see their name, just skip and read the next post.

If you read, a brand new toon takes 20 mins to do that quest. That is one of the smaller amounts of time to do any quest in UO.
What have you contributed here?

Pawain said:

shootgun said:

@ Feigr 

Dude stop!

There are few people on this forum whose entire purpose is to argue and shit talk. They will not contribute anything to any discussion. Often times, they will not even have a point in their posts. For them the sole purpose of visiting this forum is to tell people how wrong they are. You are wrong, they are right. That is all there is to it. They will argue and shit talk non-stop for days/weeks.

I suspect severe mental illness on their part. Over time, me and many others learned not to read their posts. Do the same, if you see their name, just skip and read the next post.

If you read, a brand new toon takes 20 mins to do that quest. That is one of the smaller amounts of time to do any quest in UO.
What have you contributed here?

Well, not Brand new. To be fair I spent about an hour doing the quests in Haven to get him to the levels he was and put a suit together from what was laying on the floor and what I could loot. And used my 25+ years of Skillz at kiting monsters tougher than me. But it is doable by a younger character with time, effort, and the Google-Box.

Actually the Wiki needs updating.  EJ can only access help channel is correct.
This was done because of Avatar.  Anyone remember him and his freakin' army of EJ accts
spamming his little heart advertising his website and items for sale? I filled my entire block list multiple time blocking this doofus so did many other people. I believe the hammer came down after he spammed all over a Mesanna M & G.  It's been a long time ago so its a bit hazy, but she did it and Avatar was the reason/catalyst.

Apologies, I have missed updating a page. I will rectify that asap. I try to make a list every publish of which existing pages need to be updated. I've missed that one.

No apology needed.  I just remembered because I checked the EJ page before resubscribing.