We need new quality mage items

Is this just for evolving those specific items?

There’s other mage items like the scholars halo, the new armor and wand from last event, dr specters lenses, cuffs of the archmage etc.

You left out so many of the newer items.

keven2002 said:

I'm assuming he's speaking about items that you can get on a semi-regular basis (although rune beetle carapace doesn't spawn so maybe not?).

That said, the halo was left out and the shadowguard mage weap with -0 mage skill (Balaki Staff I think) was also left out...both of which my mages use still. There would also be the Scrapper's that could be added to this list as well as Hook's shield which both are still very easy to obtain and are still relevant in game today.

Yeah I wasn’t sure.  I know I still use Hephaestus as a shield even.  But I know there’s a couple generations of gear between those items he posted.


I’m always in favor of new mage gear, but I didn’t know people even still use scrappers.  I use the higher SDI books and wand if needed.

Either way, 90% of what has been mentioned, is Mage PvM gear.
Hook's shield, is lovely for pvm for example.
The Spellbooks are also great for PvM.

Pure Mages could use some upgraded PvP gear.

Jewels. Shield. Spellbook for starters.

Jewels - The clean-up set is actually really good for dexxers, and mages for pvm.
Could use a PvP set - as a VvV reward, this is crying out, and so obvious, and don't make them antique pls.
You did release 1 ring, which was quite cool, but needed to be a set, and the matching bracelet was not as good, did not balance properties - having said that - they were decent, but I found it hard to get them into a suit.

Shield. Wooden. Soul Charge 30 + Reactive Paralyse + DCI 15 + Spell Channelling + 0 FC. 
Anything else would be a bonus - Stats, or Eater.
Could be enhanced - as Wooden. Forged Metal Tool of Artifacts.

Spellbook - have posted this before.

I do appreciate the Tunic, and the Gloves. And a couple of other pieces - Artio's sash/Mushroom Belt, Bogling Boots and the Feudal Cloak/Sash.

For PvP Mages, the really important thing to bear in mind, is we are trying to balance properties.
200 LRC on a suit, is a wasted opportunity, if we have 0 Damage Eater.

A lot has improved I think, but my opinion is, other templates are finding it so much easier to get the properties they want.

Hit Points is almost becoming too much now - as in the Max Cap is 25 beyond which point it is wasted.

DCI often over-caps if on ring/brace/shield + Slither, so there is room to get some HCI in.
HCI did appear on the Earrings - does not appear on Shields as a rule. 

Fire Eater, and Damage Eater important, there has been good movement here, but still hard to balance.

Resists always over-cap, we can go less here, to achieve other properties - like Stats, Eaters, Regens, DCI, HCI, SDI cap.

My feeling is, it gets left down to the Jewels, to perform some magical balancing act for the suit, and this area, is just so random - and hard.

My favourite head item is the Elf Circlet. 🙂

Royal Circlet even - as this has a jewel in it.

And........ any chance of a Back Transmog item - the cloak gets in the way a bit, and the quiver, while nice, isn't the best look for a mage - any chance of a Mage Back-slot item - much for the same reason as the robe went to Epps, for appearances sake?

keven2002 said:

Understand where you are coming from Cookie and I'll default to you (and others like Covenent) on what's what for PvP but from what I've seen/read there really isn't any such thing as a "pure" PvP mage anymore. I think they probably went out of style over a decade ago with bushido/evasion and DP dexers (and parry for mages etc) and the SDI cap happening.

Personally, I think there needs to be some thought put into how the mage skills work (for PvP) more than the items available.

Don't disagree.

We would exist, if we could, we never went out of style, we were nerfed into extinction...

Cookie said:

keven2002 said:

Understand where you are coming from Cookie and I'll default to you (and others like Covenent) on what's what for PvP but from what I've seen/read there really isn't any such thing as a "pure" PvP mage anymore. I think they probably went out of style over a decade ago with bushido/evasion and DP dexers (and parry for mages etc) and the SDI cap happening.

Personally, I think there needs to be some thought put into how the mage skills work (for PvP) more than the items available.

Don't disagree.

We would exist, if we could, we never went out of style, we were nerfed into extinction...

This is accurate.  It’s virtually impossible to play just a pure mage now.

The closest you’ll get is what, a parry wrestle mage?  And that’s with an SDI nerf.


I’ve used parry for as long as I can remember on my mage(s).  A minimum rolling around with a weapon in hand, ie bokuto, so I dont/didn’t get completely smoked out of the gates lol.

Until parry mages are balanced, any buffs to mages in general will carry over to buffing parry mages.

sibble said:

The actual problem is with parry mages being too strong.

Until parry mages are nerfed, any addition to mage artifacts will also carry over to parry mages.

Meaning, you want to make pure mages stronger...  so you buff pure mages by adding sick artifacts, then parry mages inherently become stronger as well because they also benefit from the new mage items *in most cases*

All they have to do is decrease block chance from parry if you also have mage skills, or make it so you can't use bushido evasion if you have magery etc.

What in your mind consists of being too strong? 

Oreogl said:

sibble said:

The actual problem is with parry mages being too strong.

Until parry mages are nerfed, any addition to mage artifacts will also carry over to parry mages.

Meaning, you want to make pure mages stronger...  so you buff pure mages by adding sick artifacts, then parry mages inherently become stronger as well because they also benefit from the new mage items *in most cases*

All they have to do is decrease block chance from parry if you also have mage skills, or make it so you can't use bushido evasion if you have magery etc.

What I’m your mind consists of being too strong? 

Too strong as is you can’t mow them down in 10 seconds or?

Can't mow them down in 10 seconds?  I'll take this as poor sarcasm.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

sibble said:

The actual problem is with parry mages being too strong.

Until parry mages are nerfed, any addition to mage artifacts will also carry over to parry mages.

Meaning, you want to make pure mages stronger...  so you buff pure mages by adding sick artifacts, then parry mages inherently become stronger as well because they also benefit from the new mage items *in most cases*

All they have to do is decrease block chance from parry if you also have mage skills, or make it so you can't use bushido evasion if you have magery etc.

What I’m your mind consists of being too strong? 

Too strong as is you can’t mow them down in 10 seconds or?

Can't mow them down in 10 seconds?  I'll take this as poor sarcasm.

You put a parry mage versus any weapon-focused template in the game and the weapon template will sit there missing while the parry mage freely casts.

Naturally there will always be templates that counter other templates, but not to this extent - this is an example of unbalanced.

Ask why the mages need parry.

Originally the OP (that would be me) asked for new and fancy mage items.

Oreogl said:

It’s a capped 67.5% blocking which requires wrestling and/or weapon skill - mage weapon.

Similarly it’s like asking to nerf dex templates because you chose not to use parry.

The parry nerf has been a request, of which I assume are dex templates, for years.  I’ve always made the argument for
damage output in these scenarios.

Some templates I do believe probably do need nerfed, like using evasion with Margery. However stand alone parry does not regardless of template.

Cookie said:

Ask why the mages need parry.

This is pretty much it.

Stand alone parry is 35% and weapon skill alone is 50%.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

It’s a capped 67.5% blocking which requires wrestling and/or weapon skill - mage weapon.

Similarly it’s like asking to nerf dex templates because you chose not to use parry.

The parry nerf has been a request, of which I assume are dex templates, for years.  I’ve always made the argument for
damage output in these scenarios.

Some templates I do believe probably do need nerfed, like using evasion with Margery. However stand alone parry does not regardless of template.

Well first you have your weapon hit/miss chance calculation based on each's weapon skill - mages being either wrestling, weapon skill, or mage weapon

Then you have DCI/HCI calcs.

THEN you have block chance calcs.

Cookie said:

Ask why the mages need parry.

I didn't say remove parry completely from mages, I simply asked for a decrease in block chance if you have parry + magery.  This isn't a game breaking change. I'm talking -15% -20% difference.

The dci/hci and weapon skill discussion is disingenuous.  No one is rolling with anything less than cap.

If they are, then I guarantee this isn’t even a discussion we even need to be having.


Edit:  you want parry to be nerfed down to 15/20%?  Why even have it then that gives a 60% block with 120 points of skill.  Crazy talk  😂

psycho said:

You can add all the magical propeties in the world to an item, but it would still be limited by hard caps, thus introducing new and fancy items wouldnt hurt pvp nor the templates people chose to play.

sibble said:

psycho said:

You can add all the magical propeties in the world to an item, but it would still be limited by hard caps, thus introducing new and fancy items wouldnt hurt pvp nor the templates people chose to play.

There is no cap on +skill.  You add properties to items, then you open up for +skill potential on jewels.

Oreogl said:

Edit:  you want parry to be nerfed down to 15/20%?  Why even have it then that gives a 60% block with 120 points of skill.  Crazy talk  😂

I said -15% to -20%, as an adjustment, not a fixed value.  Please read more carefully.

None has yet to dispute the fact that a parry mage will freely cast against a dexer and the dexer will sit there swinging and missing.  The two options a dexer has versus a parry mage is either run or sit and die.  That's not balance.

35% block minus 15% or 20% is a fixed value of either 20/15% parry.   😂  

so weapon skill block 50 + (50*.2)= 60%.

but if this is not what you mean, then please explain the adjustment.  What exactly are you taking 15-20% off from.

Any way you look at the adjustment in any terms you mean in, is over nerfing a template that has been nerfed many times over the years.

No one sits there and never gets hit while casting.    It’s not meant to be easy mode for dex templates.

sibble said:

Cookie said:

Ask why the mages need parry.

I didn't say remove parry completely from mages, I simply asked for a decrease in block chance if you have parry + magery.  This isn't a game breaking change. I'm talking -15% -20% difference.

I was saying this to someone the other day. Mages have already been nerfed through the roof relating to shields and parry. It is already game-breaking.

Reviewing the disadvantages already added to mages with shields, or parry, some since the start of the game, so long ago, many of you even forget their existence.

1. Shields have to have spell channelling on, to be able to use a shield. This loses a mage 1 property on their suit vs a Dexxer.

2. Spell Channelling comes hand in hand with -1 FC. To counter-balance this with +1 FC somewhere uses up 1 more property on their suit vs a Dexxer.

3. A Parry Mage, needs 84 Dexterity, to use a shield post Curse to max effect. This is 84 Dex the Mage has no other use for at all. Dexxers are able to use all their Stats, even Mana, is used for their weapon specials - whereas Parry mages are sat on 84 redundant stats.

4. Those 84 Dexterity points, are taken out of a Mages mana pool, meaning less spells able to be cast.

5. Having used 84 stats in Dexterity. Parry Mages will find it almost impossible to meet the 150 Int Stat property, to meet their maximum SDI output target {Remembering ALL pvp templates need 150 Hit Points}. Warriors never have any issues meeting their Dex requirements.

6. Parry has been added to the list of skills that neutralises Focused Mage, so they are hit with -5% from their SDI cap, so a SECOND SDI hit.

7. By being forced to have Parry - Pure Mages are losing out on a wider more Mage focussed skill-set.

So in summary, mages have lost - 2 properties on their suit, 84 useless Stats, 84 mana pool, Int cap related SDI, and a further 5% SDI, and the ability to have a whole entire pure mage related additional skill, that is not just sat there on top of Wrestling for defence - TWO skills needed just for physical defence...

I think Warriors forget just how hard Mages have been nerfed.
And the answer as to why...

It  is because warriors do so much damage output for pvm, this then hits the mages, who need defensive abilities to manage the amount of nuking they receive - hence parry. It is not parry that needs a nerf, it is the warriors damage output, then parry can be toned down, then mages are not forced to use parry, and mages can re-balance.

Mages cannot get anything like as close as warriors do in pvm damage...

Oreogl said:

35% block minus 15% or 20% is a fixed value of either 20/15% parry.   😂  

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

35% block minus 15% or 20% is a fixed value of either 20/15% parry.   😂  

What is 15% of 35?  What is 20% of 35?

Subtract those values from 35 you end up with 28%-30%

Again, I'm not asking to nerf parry mages into the ground.

Given 35% is the value, I had little expectation you were taking a percentage of a percent.  My mistake I guess.

Cookie said:

Mages cannot get anything like as close as warriors do in pvm damage...

sibble said:

Cookie said:

Mages cannot get anything like as close as warriors do in pvm damage...

That's the thing about trying to balance PVP or PVM, one will always affect the other.

Yes I agree with you that it's easier for a warrior to do more damage in PVM than it is for a mage.

When you think about the Mage, and the Warrior concept, how do you see it?

Do warriors have unlimited stamina, hacking ability and damage output in battle?
Do they vastly outperform mages?

I believe, in the same way Mages use mana for spells, warriors should be using stamina, there should be a limit on their damage output abilities.

This would actually balance everything - pvm, and pvp.

The entire issue stems from a conceptual flaw in the initial design of UO warriors.

Cookie said:

When you think about the Mage, and the Warrior concept, how do you see it?

Do warriors have unlimited stamina, hacking ability and damage output in battle?
Do they vastly outperform mages?

I believe, in the same way Mages use mana for spells, warriors should be using stamina, there should be a limit on their damage output abilities.

This would actually balance everything - pvm, and pvp.

The entire issue stems from a conceptual flaw in the initial design of UO warriors.

sibble said:

Cookie said:

When you think about the Mage, and the Warrior concept, how do you see it?

Do warriors have unlimited stamina, hacking ability and damage output in battle?
Do they vastly outperform mages?

I believe, in the same way Mages use mana for spells, warriors should be using stamina, there should be a limit on their damage output abilities.

This would actually balance everything - pvm, and pvp.

The entire issue stems from a conceptual flaw in the initial design of UO warriors.

The fact that mage spells can't miss and weapons do will forever create an apples to oranges comparison for this discussion.

Don't forget that weapon abilities use mana too, even more when you chain abilities.

Miss and interrupted are the trade off mechanics.

sibble said:

Cookie said:

When you think about the Mage, and the Warrior concept, how do you see it?

Do warriors have unlimited stamina, hacking ability and damage output in battle?
Do they vastly outperform mages?

I believe, in the same way Mages use mana for spells, warriors should be using stamina, there should be a limit on their damage output abilities.

This would actually balance everything - pvm, and pvp.

The entire issue stems from a conceptual flaw in the initial design of UO warriors.

The fact that mage spells can't miss and weapons do will forever create an apples to oranges comparison for this discussion.

Don't forget that weapon abilities use mana too, even more when you chain abilities.

Mage Spells cannot miss?

What do you think Magic Resist is? You should see how many times I have to cast poison sometimes before it lands... {and then of course - 2 types of different consumables wipe out a mages most powerful spell instantly}.

What do you think Evasion is ?

Mages also get disturbed, physically, or with spells.

Mages also have line of sight, and range issues.

Mages also have to stand still to cast.

There are many specials that prevent a mages casting.

I do not buy the mages cannot miss theory, at all.

It's a bit like saying, Warriors cannot miss, if the target is standing still, no wrestle, no parry, no dci etc.


I'm sorry, you have just added to the argument Warriors have far too many defences and protection compared to Mages.

Oreogl said:

Miss and interrupted are the trade off mechanics.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Miss and interrupted are the trade off mechanics.

Agreed, it is a trade off mechanic.

However, mages can decrease the chance that they are interrupted.

Warriors have HCI cap and that's it brother.

Cookie said:

Mages also have line of sight, and range issues.

And warriors have to be within 1 tile to even get a chance of swinging.

We can go back and forth all day here.

Except where you give me 1 point - I can give you 5 with no possible response - because, it IS that unbalanced.

Cookie said:

Except where you give me 1 point - I can give you 5 with no possible response - because, it IS that unbalanced.

sibble said:

Cookie said:

Except where you give me 1 point - I can give you 5 with no possible response - because, it IS that unbalanced.

@ Cookie it's because of the impact of that 1 point where I'm trying to save time by not bothering with the rest.

Warriors have to be within 1 tile of a person to have just a chance at hitting.

That doesn't sound more impactful than any other point you've posted?

That equals - Mages have to stand still to cast. Therefore giving you the chance to be within that 1 tile to hit. We have 1 completely equal trade-off there.

Cookie said:

That equals - Mages have to stand still to cast. Therefore giving you the chance to be within that 1 tile to hit. We have 1 completely equal trade-off there.

sibble said:

Cookie said:

That equals - Mages have to stand still to cast. Therefore giving you the chance to be within that 1 tile to hit. We have 1 completely equal trade-off there.

The difference is a dexer has to chase the mage to get next to you, the mage being the leader, has the potential of making cuts while they run.  If you've ever chased someone in UO you'd understand what I'm talking about.

Again, what is the point in discussing differences if the agreement is that a dexer has no chance versus a parry mage.  That is unbalance.  Removing 5-8% block chance is not going to break parry mages.

No-one agrees the dexxer has no chance vs a parry mage, most players think Dexxers are completely out of control. 🙂

My point, is you are approaching this wrong.

Parry is not the issue, parry has been forced upon pure mages. Fix that, and mages can rebalance, and drop parry.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Miss and interrupted are the trade off mechanics.

Agreed, it is a trade off mechanic.

However, mages can decrease the chance that they are interrupted by:
 1 - Including weapon skill
 2 - Adding Anatomy
 3 - Adding Wrestling

 4 - Using Mage weapon

 5 - Adding Parry

Cookie said:

Mages also have line of sight, and range issues.

And warriors have to be within 1 tile to even get a chance of swinging.

We can go back and forth all day here.

Right and dexers can reduce theirs by hitting the mage, running out of range, buildings etc.  It doesn’t go beyond the 67.5%. Also including the mages are static when casting etc.  Dexers can also use evasion and have resisting spells etc.


We can note dexers also use ranged weapons.

Cookie said:

No-one agrees the dexxer has no chance vs a parry mage, most players think Dexxers are completely out of control. 🙂

sibble said:

Cookie said:

No-one agrees the dexxer has no chance vs a parry mage, most players think Dexxers are completely out of control. 🙂

Then I will end my debate with you here because I'm obviously having a discussion with someone who is lacking PVP experience, no offense.

There is no chance a pure dexer, ranged or not, has versus a parry mage.

You sit there and die or run.

Think about that. Warrior never runs out of hits. Parry Mage has to run out of mana - and I've already given a thesis on the Parry Mages mana issues - and in fact SDI issues.

It is not actually possible for the warrior to lose. If played by a warrior who knows what they are doing 🙂

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

Sorry for hijacking the thread @psycho.

yes new mage items would be great.

Oreogl said:

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

That's not true at all, 1v1 I'll take a mage dump while swinging if I know the person doesn't have parry and I actually have a chance to hit them.

In the other scenario, you want to argue someone isn't taking the dump: so they run.  That is the only option then, run away from the fight.

The thread has not been hijacked, this is a discussion on a reason about why I don't think new mage items would be great.

I’m pretty sure we all know his this works.  I’ve played plenty of dexers too.  You’re not spending the whole time running away from parry mages, especially when there’s multiple ways to heal through mana dumps.


If you miss your chance you run, heal/chug and wait for RNG to put a successful chain together along with any other part of the template splinter/slow, bleed, pots/novas, shurikens, DP, ds etc.

Oreogl said:

Sorry for hijacking the thread @ psycho.

yes new mage items would be great.

Ha. 🙂

I do agree, more Mage items could be useful - in pvm and pvp, I was just expressing my pvp preference.

I'll apologise in guild if I have to.

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

That's not true at all, 1v1 I'll take a mage dump while swinging if I know the person doesn't have parry and I actually have a chance to hit them.

In the other scenario, you want to argue someone isn't taking the dump: so they run.  That is the only option then, run away from the fight.

The thread has not been hijacked, this is a discussion on a reason about why I don't think new mage items would be great.

Stronger mage items equate to stronger parry mages which are already broken.

Sorry man, I can’t address all the edits.

New items devolved into a Parry nerf discussion.  I’d say it was hijacked or at a minimum strayed from the original post.

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Sorry for hijacking the thread @ psycho.

yes new mage items would be great.

Ha. 🙂

I do agree, more Mage items could be useful - in pvm and pvp, I was just expressing my pvp preference.

I'll apologise in guild if I have to.

Lol.  always up for more PvP gear.  The reactive paralyze shield would be nice.

Oreogl said:

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

That's not true at all, 1v1 I'll take a mage dump while swinging if I know the person doesn't have parry and I actually have a chance to hit them.

In the other scenario, you want to argue someone isn't taking the dump: so they run.  That is the only option then, run away from the fight.

The thread has not been hijacked, this is a discussion on a reason about why I don't think new mage items would be great.

I’m pretty sure we all know his this works.  I’ve played plenty of dexers too.  You’re not spending the whole time running away from parry mages, especially when there’s multiple ways to heal through mana dumps.


If you miss your chance you run, heal/chug and wait for RNG to put a successful chain together along with any other part of the template splinter/slow, bleed, pots/novas, shurikens, DP, ds etc.

sibble said:

OP suggests new items get added to buff mages, I simply mentioned if you nerf parry mages then I would be OK with it - the thread strayed when you and cookie delved into reasons why parry mages shouldn't be nerfed.

I want to be very clear - I do not mind if Parry Mages are nerfed, but in order to do that, Pure Mages have to be made viable, there has to be somewhere for mages to go, or they will cease to exist completely.

Cookie said:

sibble said:

OP suggests new items get added to buff mages, I simply mentioned if you nerf parry mages then I would be OK with it - the thread strayed when you and cookie delved into reasons why parry mages shouldn't be nerfed.

I want to be very clear - I do not mind if Parry Mages are nerfed, but in order to do that, Pure Mages have to be made viable, there has to be somewhere for mages to go, or they will cease to exist completely.

Agreed

😂 sibble said:

Oreogl said:

sibble said:

Oreogl said:

Anyone who has pvped is not sitting there eating a mana dump whether the mage has parry or not.

That's not true at all, 1v1 I'll take a mage dump while swinging if I know the person doesn't have parry and I actually have a chance to hit them.

In the other scenario, you want to argue someone isn't taking the dump: so they run.  That is the only option then, run away from the fight.

The thread has not been hijacked, this is a discussion on a reason about why I don't think new mage items would be great.

I’m pretty sure we all know his this works.  I’ve played plenty of dexers too.  You’re not spending the whole time running away from parry mages, especially when there’s multiple ways to heal through mana dumps.


If you miss your chance you run, heal/chug and wait for RNG to put a successful chain together along with any other part of the template splinter/slow, bleed, pots/novas, shurikens, DP, ds etc.

So you went from:

 1.  No one's sitting there eating a mana dump whether parry or not

 2.  There's multiple ways to heal through mana dumps

 3.  Just get lucky.

Oreogl said:

New items devolved into a Parry nerf discussion.  I’d say it was hijacked or at a minimum strayed from the original post.

OP suggests new items get added to buff mages, I simply mentioned if you nerf parry mages then I would be OK with it - the thread strayed when you and cookie delved into reasons why parry mages shouldn't be nerfed.

No one intentionally eats the mana dump, but if they do it’s not like you’re not mashing the chug button for what 40-50 points plus whatever or their skill you got.  Healing/confidence etc.

I mean we haven’t even discuss disarm yet.  The only template that’s able to keep a solid 67.5% is spending 240 skills for wrestling and parry.  Otherwise, and I’ve continually did this any mage with a weapon is disarm and spam AI and whatever that template had.  I mean let’s be real.  

@psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?

Pawain said:

@ psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?





 

I think more variability in gear with more eaters, HP regen/HP increase etc.  

As alluded to earlier, for one example, no one needs 6 pieces of sdi gear when it’s capped for PVP or other capped stats.

Sorry I did not see PvP in the OP or title.

Pawain said:

Sorry I did not see PvP in the OP or title.

That was more of an example.  

sibble said:

Add: Earrings of the Battlemage - 12% SDI, 4% CF, +10 skill

Remove: 6% block chance from parry mages.

Fair trade?

 😂 

If I believed we would never have the nerf parry mage conversation again I’d totally take it up.

But I don’t believe a 3% overall reduction is going to change anything.  Then it’d have to be another 6% for a sick mage ring or something lol

Oreogl said:

  😂 

If I believed we would never have the nerf parry mage conversation again I’d totally take it up.

Pawain said:

@ psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?

I think all the items OP listed are outdated 

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

@ psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?

I think all the items OP listed are outdated 

Along with hundreds of other drop/rewards items.

Kyronix smartly chose not to update old things but instead to make new ones.

But, the new Serpents Bite Tali is an updated Orb.  Shugs Rainment  is updated Rune Beetle.        

When it comes to parry, as I said before, most player's concerns are about the 1-hand setup in pvp being too strong defensivly + offensively, what needs to happen is  a nerf to the 1-hand setups by -10% parry chance down to 25% from 35%. This way it doesn't hurt PVM sampires who use 2-hands setup still at 40% chance parry, and the shield setups would stay at 35%.

It's that simple, this is due for years now.

Do you know that 25% parry chance is the equivalent of around 50% DCI (defense chance increase) in term of chance to dodge an attack? Still a pretty damn good chance in my honest opinion for a 1-hand setup

Grimbeard said:

I think all the items OP listed are outdated 

Pawain said:

@ psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?

I have all of the items above, but cant list all as thread would be 99 terrabyte or smth.

That being said, several of the items you posted above are from events, where on some shards is hard/impossible to obtain. The other issue is the names are allovertheplace, but too late for that. How about Magician, Magi or Wizzard, its for mages afterall.


As for the "buff mage, nerf dex" debate, the hard caps decides in PvP.
Even with hard caps, dex with insane stam suits use heavy 2-hand weapons and swing at minimum speeds, dealing heavy damage, which were never intended. But this was not intended to be a pvp balance debate thread, but rather about new mage items and suggestions for this.
For pvp increasing the CastingFocus beyond the 12 CF cap would improve the balance.

Besides, not all character slots are well covered with good alternatives for mage. It seem to be a consensus for mages to have enough mana and SDI its all OK, but there are other mods the mage items are lacking, and it has to be meditable.

I dont mind a new mage armor piece with 4CF, 15SDI, 10LMC, 25LRC, 15 damage eater, which is good, but not overpowered, still a real alternative in its respective itemSlot.

psycho said:

Grimbeard said:

I think all the items OP listed are outdated 

Pawain said:

@ psycho

I'm lost. We have great mage items from head to toe.  
The only slots that do not have a legendary quality item is the neck slot and bracelet that are specifically for mages.

Every other slot has a great item.
No room for Hawkwinds but I hope you know about it.

What exactly are you looking for that we do not have already?

I have all of the items above, but cant list all as thread would be 99 terrabyte or smth.

That being said, several of the items you posted above are from events, where on some shards is hard/impossible to obtain. The other issue is the names are allovertheplace, but too late for that. How about Magician, Magi or Wizzard, its for mages afterall.

Besides, not all character slots are well covered with good alternatives for mage.

As for the "buff mage, nerf dex" debate, the hard caps decides in PvP.
Even with hard caps, dex with insane stam suits use heavy 2-hand weapons and swing at minimum speeds, dealing heavy damage, which were never intended. But this was not intended to be a pvp balance debate thread, but rather about new mage items and suggestions for this.
For pvp increasing the CastingFocus beyond the 12 CF cap would improve the balance.

I dont mind a new mage armor piece with 4CF, 15SDI, 10LMC, 25LRC, 15 damage eater, which is good, but not overpowered, still a real alternative in its respective itemSlot.

Exactly ask for a specific thing.

You can easily get a mage suit from Corgul or Scalis drops. that gives you all the mage requirements.
40LMC, 70 Resist, 100 LRC, 30 MR.

The new items give you all of those things and have bumped SDI.  That is what mages want.

It seems you want Casting Focus of 4 on one item.

So ask for a Gorget

Casting Focus 4
at least 15 each resist
10 LMC 
25 LRC
15 Damage eater
4 Mana Regen
+5 Intel
+10 Mana
15 SDI

Make this item please!

The Devs recognised that several doom arties needed a boost. They introduced recipes that allow them to be upgraded.

Or a Bracelet:

20SDI
Casting Focus 4
25 LRC
10 LMC
4 MR
15 Damage eater.

Pawain said:

Or a Bracelet:

20SDI
FC 4
25 LRC
10 LMC
4 MR
15 Damage eater.

A counter part for compassion eye....don't forget luck

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

Or a Bracelet:

20SDI
FC 4
25 LRC
10 LMC
4 MR
15 Damage eater.

A counter part for compassion eye....don't forget luck

You add 150 Luck in.  Lets get this Item!

Since I double posted.

Bracelet:

20SDI
Casting Focus 4
200 Luck
25 LRC
10 LMC
4 MR
15 Damage eater.

psycho said:

Just a quick notice, I asked for CF (CastingFocus) and not FC (Faster Cast). Its a tad harder to reach the 12 CF on a mage suit than other things. This helps both PvM and PvP.

Mariah said:

The Devs recognised that several doom arties needed a boost. They introduced recipes that allow them to be upgraded.

This system is great.

Ah Well that makes it even better  they would never give FC 4 to us. lol

I changed the items.  I want that Bracelet.

quickblade said:

When it comes to parry, as I said before, most player's concerns are about the 1-hand setup in pvp being too strong defensivly + offensively, what needs to happen is  a nerf to the 1-hand setups by -10% parry chance down to 25% from 35%. This way it doesn't hurt PVM sampires who use 2-hands setup still at 40% chance parry, and the shield setups would stay at 35%.

It's that simple, this is due for years now.

Do you know that 25% parry chance is the equivalent of around 50% DCI (defense chance increase) in term of chance to dodge an attack? Still a pretty damn good chance in my honest opinion for a 1-hand setup

Sure, when they nerf disarm and increase minimum swing speed to 3 seconds.

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

Or a Bracelet:

20SDI
FC 4
25 LRC
10 LMC
4 MR
15 Damage eater.

A counter part for compassion eye....don't forget luck

This would be nice to have for some of my PVM chars.

Itd be a riot if they incorporated luck into PVP.  Luck roll and BAM RNG streak or BOOM double SDI.  😂

Oreogl said:

This would be nice to have for some of my PVM chars.

Itd be a riot if they incorporated luck into PVP.  Luck roll and BAM RNG streak or BOOM double SDI.  😂

shootgun said:

Oreogl said:

This would be nice to have for some of my PVM chars.

Itd be a riot if they incorporated luck into PVP.  Luck roll and BAM RNG streak or BOOM double SDI.  😂

😂

Then you have a bad roll and your cure fizzles at 120.0

Lol, right?  This would be my luck.

Mariah said:

The Devs recognised that several doom arties needed a boost. They introduced recipes that allow them to be upgraded.