Classic Client warning message to repair item : at what durability it triggers ?

I see you played long enough to wear down an items durability.  Congrats.

Powder if fortification   Heard of it?  And no I am not interested in a essay from you 

I’m not exactly sure what the logic is for these durability repair messages. They seem to appear almost randomly sometime after 50 remaining durability. 

I use pinco's  its amazing

It starts at 5

@popps your weapon does not break and go poof at 0/255.  It starts reducing the 255.

Chrille said:

It starts at 5

Thank you for the information.

Hmm...

If it starts at 5, it "can" happen that it gets lost in the tons of on screen messages that appear on a Warrior screen when fighting, at least in the Classic Client...

And if one only notices it when at 1 durability point left (that is, they miss the previous 4 warning messages...), like it happened to me, and fails to repair the item with only 1 durability left, the item breaks and is lost for good, is that right?

If so, @Kyronix , would it be possible to please increase the triggering of the warning messages at like 20 so that there is more chances to notice the warning message before it is too late ?

Even better, if the player could customize at how many durability points left, the repair warning messages start showing up on screen.

Thank you.

popps said:

Chrille said:

It starts at 5

Thank you for the information.

Hmm...

If it starts at 5, it "can" happen that it gets lost in the tons of on screen messages that appear on a Warrior screen when fighting, at least in the Classic Client...

And if one only notices it when at 1 durability point left (that is, they miss the previous 4 warning messages...), like it happened to me, and fails to repair the item with only 1 durability left, the item breaks and is lost for good, is that right?

If so, @ Kyronix , would it be possible to please increase the triggering of the warning messages at like 20 so that there is more chances to notice the warning message before it is too late ?

Even better, if the player could customize at how many durability points left, the repair warning messages start showing up on screen.

Thank you.

Ok real slow like it can get to 0 255 times before it breaks @popps ;

I repeat.  @popps your weapon does not break and go poof at 0/255.  It starts reducing the 255.

Remember refute without insult 

Before I set off from home I have a check list, perhaps you should have one too?
I check:
1. bandage supplies
2. Orange petal supplies
3. Tithing points
4. condition of all armor parts. Repair where needed
5. condition of all weapons I expect to use. Repair where needed.
6. Bag of Sending charges
8. Insured replacement dragon barding
9. Any other supplies relevant for the proposed hunt. (potions, apples, fish pies etc)

How do you repair it if the durability is down to 1.  Whenever I repair something using the repair bench the durability of the repaired item is always one less than what I started with?  

Pawain said:

I repeat.  @ popps your weapon does not break and go poof at 0/255.  It starts reducing the 255.

Hmm...

When I fail a repair, I always loose 1 point of durability....

When I succeed a repair, it repairs the item but the durability CAP goes down of 1 point.

If an item gets to 0 durability points, and I fail a repair the item does not  break but the durability CAP goes down 1 point ?

I thought the item broke....

Petra_Fyde said:

Before I set off from home I have a check list, perhaps you should have one too?
I check:
1. bandage supplies
2. Orange petal supplies
3. Tithing points
4. condition of all armor parts. Repair where needed
5. condition of all weapons I expect to use. Repair where needed.
6. Bag of Sending charges
8. Insured replacement dragon barding
9. Any other supplies relevant for the proposed hunt. (potions, apples, fish pies etc)

I usually do that too... but it can happen, that I see an item that is, say, at like 40-50 durability points so not yet "ripe" for a repair (each repair drops the CAP 1 point, and fails too) and say to myself that I will repair it a bit later...

Then, I get into the fights at Tokuno and totally forget about it.... the continuous fighting wears down the item and I find myself, if I can see the warning messages on screen, with an item that has only left a handful of durability points... as I said, it happened today with 1 item left with only 1 durability point when I finally saw the message in the midst of all other on screen messages...

Arnold7 said:

How do you repair it if the durability is down to 1.  Whenever I repair something using the repair bench the durability of the repaired item is always one less than what I started with?  

Well, it repaired the item but the durability CAP was lowered of 1 point...

For example, the item was like 1/245 .... after repairing it it was 244/244.

popps said:

Pawain said:

I repeat.  @ popps your weapon does not break and go poof at 0/255.  It starts reducing the 255.

Hmm...

When I fail a repair, I always loose 1 point of durability....

When I succeed a repair, it repairs the item but the durability CAP goes down of 1 point.

If an item gets to 0 durability points, and I fail a repair the item does not  break but the durability CAP goes down 1 point ?

I thought the item broke....

I haven't failed a repair in ages, in fact I think they got rid of failure when they came out with repair deeds.

Lord_Frodo said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

I repeat.  @ popps your weapon does not break and go poof at 0/255.  It starts reducing the 255.

Hmm...

When I fail a repair, I always loose 1 point of durability....

When I succeed a repair, it repairs the item but the durability CAP goes down of 1 point.

If an item gets to 0 durability points, and I fail a repair the item does not  break but the durability CAP goes down 1 point ?

I thought the item broke....

I haven't failed a repair in ages, in fact I think they got rid of failure when they came out with repair deeds.

They fail when below 5. But usually just once. It's not a big deal.

As a rule I try and repair anything when it falls below 100, to cut down on multiple failures. 

Not to hijack the thread, but ages ago I mocked up a gump that, like our secure transfer window, would create an interaction between a crafter and a client where the client could place their item into the window for repair and it would show the odds of a successful repair with durability loss and the numerical chance of a repair without durability loss. Just some sort of mechanic to bring a player interaction back to the repair of items. Deeds are great, as is the repair bench, but I'd love to see the "crafter setup at the forge in Britain" gameplay return.

SHOCKING. Are you a vet player Popps?

Why are you asking/arguing about something you should have knowledge on

0/255 do you think this will break? REALLY?


there is no way with your track record that you got vambraces down to 1/1, THIS will break

Just when I thought I have seen it all from you

Do you even know about repairing, PoF  crafting?

WOW

Once again, friends, guild mates and Gen Chat will save you further embarrassment

another days worth of event gamete wasted.........

I guess was not sure which durability stat. we were talking about.  Thought it was the cap.  Agree cap goes down one point with every repair attempt regardless of the result.  Based on my experience if cap is close to 255 repair usually works on first try.  But at a certain level repair starts to fail more often and item starts to wear out much faster so it is better to just forgo repairing the item at that point.  Usually for me, I stop repairing the item at around 190 or so because failures start to be more often at that point.

I've had one item break ever and that was a brittle 30 splinter wakizashi repond slayer I used at spawns 

 You must remember to replace before durability gets too low.  Usually if I remember, I replace at 0/2 or so.  But at events sometimes forget and really low stuff breaks.  Usually don’t see the message because of all the action.  Only know it broke because something that depended on it stopped working, or noticed it was gone when logging in or out.  Although self repair items do seem to last forever, like that.

Who has time to read all the messages?  Have to admit usually equipment damaged message but honestly running around to much to see the rest of them.  Maybe seeing a few more now than a year ago. 

Arnold7 said:

  Based on my experience if cap is close to 255 repair usually works on first try.  But at a certain level repair starts to fail more often and item starts to wear out much faster so it is better to just forgo repairing the item at that point.  Usually for me, I stop repairing the item at around 190 or so because failures start to be more often at that point.

None of the parts included in this quote are correct.

A 4/255 item has the same failure rate as a 4/100 item.

Repairs fail more often if you wait until the item has low durability. Some say that is 20 or 40 or 100.  I usually wait till I get the message and the item is 1 - 5. I fail less than 50% at those numbers.  I do use Mariahs check list during events because you are constantly fighting.  So I do not have to worry about repairs until the next day.

There is no reason to stop at 190.  I have imbued weapons that the maker forgot to use powder on. They last many months.  I have talismans that are in the 60s because I could not figure out which item was giving me the message, they have lasted years.

If you are going to play these events for an hour or more.  Use Mariahs pre play check list so that you can have an enjoyable time.

This is correct from your post:
 Agree cap goes down one point with every repair attempt regardless of the result.

Which leads to:

popps said:

I usually do that too... but it can happen, that I see an item that is, say, at like 40-50 durability points so not yet "ripe" for a repair (each repair drops the CAP 1 point, and fails too) and say to myself that I will repair it a bit later...

Then, I get into the fights at Tokuno and totally forget about it.... the continuous fighting wears down the item and I find myself, if I can see the warning messages on screen, with an item that has only left a handful of durability points... as I said, it happened today with 1 item left with only 1 durability point when I finally saw the message in the midst of all other on screen messages...

So, this method is not working for you.  Why are you arguing?
You will find repairing when items are below 100 at your pre play check will over all wear out a lot slower than those you decide not to repair and wait for the message.

What exactly are you expecting the devs to do?

If you are repairing smith items, make a deed while holding a +60  hammer to make 180 deeds.  I doubt those deeds will ever fail.

I always hold a +60 hammer when making anything but iron barding deeds, always exceptional.
It does take a charge away even if you craft with another tool.

Pawain said:

If you are going to play these events for an hour or more.  Use Mariahs pre play check list so that you can have an enjoyable time.

He can't play for an hour, remember he asked if the luck timer stopped when he logs off.

This is where he goes quiet or thinks up another nonsensical thread 

now he has discovered he is at fault and there is no way to mass debate this topic any longer 

JackFlashUk said:

This is where he goes quiet or thinks up another nonsensical thread 

now he has discovered he is at fault and there is no way to mass debate this topic any longer 

Oh, he never let that stop him before.

Garth_Grey said:

Perhaps you can get a Dev to call you on your cell to inform you when it has dropped to 5 durability ? Since you're too busy with too many warrior messages to notice ? I"m sorry but even "I" have sort of had enough with your issues that are easily investigated by yourself, but you refuse to do it. It would have had sooooooo much more value had you made a post saying

Hey guys, I've figured out that durability loss is first reported in the Classic Client at ???/???. Instead you always want someone else to tell you everything,or to figure everything else out for you.

It would just be sufficient, to my opinion, if the warning message to repair a given item ion the Classic Client started, rather then at a durability of 5 points as I understand it is now, like at one of 20 points... since each point lost the message shows up, is my understanding, there would be like 20 messages that one could see and while most might get overseen in the clutter of text which happens when fighting, at least one could get seen... hopefullly, before the durability left gets really too low....

Or, if possible, the repair item warning message could just show up in a different color then the other fighting text which normally shows up, so to be more visible.

Pawain said:

Arnold7 said:

  Based on my experience if cap is close to 255 repair usually works on first try.  But at a certain level repair starts to fail more often and item starts to wear out much faster so it is better to just forgo repairing the item at that point.  Usually for me, I stop repairing the item at around 190 or so because failures start to be more often at that point.

None of the parts included in this quote are correct.

A 4/255 item has the same failure rate as a 4/100 item.

Repairs fail more often if you wait until the item has low durability. Some say that is 20 or 40 or 100.  I usually wait till I get the message and the item is 1 - 5. I fail less than 50% at those numbers.  I do use Mariahs check list during events because you are constantly fighting.  So I do not have to worry about repairs until the next day.

There is no reason to stop at 190.  I have imbued weapons that the maker forgot to use powder on. They last many months.  I have talismans that are in the 60s because I could not figure out which item was giving me the message, they have lasted years.

If you are going to play these events for an hour or more.  Use Mariahs pre play check list so that you can have an enjoyable time.

This is correct from your post:
 Agree cap goes down one point with every repair attempt regardless of the result.

Which leads to:

popps said:

I usually do that too... but it can happen, that I see an item that is, say, at like 40-50 durability points so not yet "ripe" for a repair (each repair drops the CAP 1 point, and fails too) and say to myself that I will repair it a bit later...

Then, I get into the fights at Tokuno and totally forget about it.... the continuous fighting wears down the item and I find myself, if I can see the warning messages on screen, with an item that has only left a handful of durability points... as I said, it happened today with 1 item left with only 1 durability point when I finally saw the message in the midst of all other on screen messages...

So, this method is not working for you.  Why are you arguing?
You will find repairing when items are below 100 at your pre play check will over all wear out a lot slower than those you decide not to repair and wait for the message.

What exactly are you expecting the devs to do?

If you are repairing smith items, make a deed while holding a +60  hammer to make 180 deeds.  I doubt those deeds will ever fail.

I always hold a +60 hammer when making anything but iron barding deeds, always exceptional.
It does take a charge away even if you craft with another tool.

What exactly are you expecting the devs to do?

As I understand, currently the amount of Durability points at which the repair warning message comes on screen is at 5 points left.

Assuming that each point lost the client sends out 1 warning message, this means 5 messages to be seen in the cluttering of the screen that happens when one fights with the rest of text messages, untill the Durability of the item reaches 0.

If, for example, the "trigger point" of the repair item warning messages was set to 20 Durability points, rather then 5 as it is now, the player would have like 20 messages to see before the item's Durability reaches 0, rather then the 5 that there are now.

While it "can" be that out of 5 messages none gets seen, in a screen that is full of other text messages about the ongoing fights, when those messages are 20, because the trigger condition is no longer 5 Durability points but, rather, 20 points, the chances that at least 1 of those repairs warning messages is seen before the Durability reaches 0 are 4 times higher.... (20 instead of 5).

And, swapping a digit from 5 to 20 in the code, I imagine (but am not sure that would be the only thing that would need to be changed...) would not be "that" much of a big issue, wouldn't it ?

Lord_Frodo said:

He can't play for an hour, remember he asked if the luck timer stopped when he logs off.

They are not going to change this for one person who doesn’t understand, as per usual with you 

time to lock this nonsense don’t you think @Mariah

been answered over and over yet he still wants everything his way 


need an ignore feature still 

I wonder how we managed for years without a 'repair message', did we somehow take responsibility for the condition of our kit ourselves? I can't say I'm in tune with the modern 'Don't expect anyone to think for themselves' culture that seems to be the norm everywhere now.

popps said:

Pawain said:

Arnold7 said:

  Based on my experience if cap is close to 255 repair usually works on first try.  But at a certain level repair starts to fail more often and item starts to wear out much faster so it is better to just forgo repairing the item at that point.  Usually for me, I stop repairing the item at around 190 or so because failures start to be more often at that point.

None of the parts included in this quote are correct.

A 4/255 item has the same failure rate as a 4/100 item.

Repairs fail more often if you wait until the item has low durability. Some say that is 20 or 40 or 100.  I usually wait till I get the message and the item is 1 - 5. I fail less than 50% at those numbers.  I do use Mariahs check list during events because you are constantly fighting.  So I do not have to worry about repairs until the next day.

There is no reason to stop at 190.  I have imbued weapons that the maker forgot to use powder on. They last many months.  I have talismans that are in the 60s because I could not figure out which item was giving me the message, they have lasted years.

If you are going to play these events for an hour or more.  Use Mariahs pre play check list so that you can have an enjoyable time.

This is correct from your post:
 Agree cap goes down one point with every repair attempt regardless of the result.

Which leads to:

popps said:

I usually do that too... but it can happen, that I see an item that is, say, at like 40-50 durability points so not yet "ripe" for a repair (each repair drops the CAP 1 point, and fails too) and say to myself that I will repair it a bit later...

Then, I get into the fights at Tokuno and totally forget about it.... the continuous fighting wears down the item and I find myself, if I can see the warning messages on screen, with an item that has only left a handful of durability points... as I said, it happened today with 1 item left with only 1 durability point when I finally saw the message in the midst of all other on screen messages...

So, this method is not working for you.  Why are you arguing?
You will find repairing when items are below 100 at your pre play check will over all wear out a lot slower than those you decide not to repair and wait for the message.

What exactly are you expecting the devs to do?

If you are repairing smith items, make a deed while holding a +60  hammer to make 180 deeds.  I doubt those deeds will ever fail.

I always hold a +60 hammer when making anything but iron barding deeds, always exceptional.
It does take a charge away even if you craft with another tool.

What exactly are you expecting the devs to do?

As I understand, currently the amount of Durability points at which the repair warning message comes on screen is at 5 points left.

Assuming that each point lost the client sends out 1 warning message, this means 5 messages to be seen in the cluttering of the screen that happens when one fights with the rest of text messages, untill the Durability of the item reaches 0.

If, for example, the "trigger point" of the repair item warning messages was set to 20 Durability points, rather then 5 as it is now, the player would have like 20 messages to see before the item's Durability reaches 0, rather then the 5 that there are now.

While it "can" be that out of 5 messages none gets seen, in a screen that is full of other text messages about the ongoing fights, when those messages are 20, because the trigger condition is no longer 5 Durability points but, rather, 20 points, the chances that at least 1 of those repairs warning messages is seen before the Durability reaches 0 are 4 times higher.... (20 instead of 5).

And, swapping a digit from 5 to 20 in the code, I imagine (but am not sure that would be the only thing that would need to be changed...) would not be "that" much of a big issue, wouldn't it ?

Then check your items before you play.  We do not need more hand holding.  I thought you used EC. The items turn yellow then red on the paper doll.

Log in in EC first and look if you don't use it.

The OP should have been.

Developers please change the durability warning message to start at 20.

Then go play.  You will get better results that way.

CovenantX said:

Lord_Frodo said:

He can't play for an hour, remember he asked if the luck timer stopped when he logs off.

   The,luck timer from the statue does stop when you log out (fully) and resumes when you log back in.

I'm not sure about the glorious potion effect.   -but I would expect the potion timer to stop & resume when you logout/in as well, considering it costs extra $.  -but I have not tested the potion.

Yes, they stop, the problem is the 2 minutes delayed log off if the character was engaged into combat...

Since the whole reason of the Store bought Potion is to use it when in combat, it goes without saying that a a player that purchased and was using the Store bought potion with an in game character had the character fighting...

If a sudden log off due to real life unexpected issues that came up is needed, the character that had been fighting until then will not "insta log off", not even in a house or any safe location like an Inn but will be subject to the 2 minutes delayed log off and in the meantime, the Store bought 1 hour timer Potion will keep running thus wasting the player's money all for nothing...

And the same for the Luck 1 hour timer.... since the Store bought Potion for better results is used usually in conjunction with the Luck Statue 1 hour timer, the 2 minutes combat delayed log off will also wear out the sttue Luck 1 hour timer...

And this, for each and every time that the player might need to log off due to real life impdiments during that 1 hour for both Luck Statue and Store bought Potion....

To my opinion, this should not be.

The 2 minutes delayed timer when in combat should NOT apply neither to the Store bought Potion nor to the Luck Statue 1 hour timer.... for these 2, the log off should apply instantly the split second that the player hits the log off button.

The character can very well stay showing in UO for 2 minutes, but the Luck Statue 1 hour tmer and the Store bought Potion 1 hour timer should  NOT, they should stop still not after the 2 minutes delayed log off when in combat have lapsed but, rather, the split second that the player has pushed the LOG OFF button on the game Client.

That is at least the way I see it.

popps said:

CovenantX said:

Lord_Frodo said:

He can't play for an hour, remember he asked if the luck timer stopped when he logs off.

   The,luck timer from the statue does stop when you log out (fully) and resumes when you log back in.

I'm not sure about the glorious potion effect.   -but I would expect the potion timer to stop & resume when you logout/in as well, considering it costs extra $.  -but I have not tested the potion.

Yes, they stop, the problem is the 2 minutes delayed log off if the character was engaged into combat...

CovenantX said:

popps said:

CovenantX said:

Lord_Frodo said:

He can't play for an hour, remember he asked if the luck timer stopped when he logs off.

   The,luck timer from the statue does stop when you log out (fully) and resumes when you log back in.

I'm not sure about the glorious potion effect.   -but I would expect the potion timer to stop & resume when you logout/in as well, considering it costs extra $.  -but I have not tested the potion.

Yes, they stop, the problem is the 2 minutes delayed log off if the character was engaged into combat...

  The combat flag timer is 2 minutes, your character stays logged in for ~7 minutes if you logout within that 2-minute timer.   Unless that's been fixed in the last ~10 years, it still works as described above.

  Which means you have to wait the 2-minute timer if you're combat flagged, Then logout, and your character should fully logout safely within ~5-10 seconds.  -the only other way to logout instantly while flagged in combat, is to use camping skill (anyone can use the skill) once the 'camp is secure' double click a bedroll and you'll be safely logged out instantly.

The problem with all that, is that the Store bought Potion and the Luck Statue make sense only if one fights....

If one does not fight, to wait the 2 minutes timer (or the camping skill which hardly a Warrior has on the template anyways...), this time is wasted money towards the 200 Sovereigns that the Store bought Potion cost to buy....

And this wasted time is each and every single time that a player needs to log off during that hour of validity of the Store bought Potion....

Personally, I happen to think that, for an item that costs real money to buy, this should not be.

This wasted time for the combat delayed log off timer should not apply, neither for the Store bought Potion not for the Luck Statue hour that is usually associated with the Store bought Potion use.

Fight for one hour that problem solved check gear after fighting one hour that problem solved @Mariah can we lock now before anyone else has to belittle popps more

Why would you buy a potion, start fighting and then log off during the timer?

MAKES NO SENSE and is another stupid hypothetical argument that the Dev's are not going to change just for you

time to think up some other stupid post of dramatic urgency Popps, like all others, this just embarrasses you again

JackFlashUk said:

Why would you buy a potion, start fighting and then log off during the timer?

MAKES NO SENSE and is another stupid hypothetical argument that the Dev's are not going to change just for you

time to think up some other stupid post of dramatic urgency Popps, like all others, this just embarrasses you again

Why ?

Can't things in real life come up all of a sudden, unexpectedly, durnig that 1 hour ?

Regardless whether one plans to play that 1 hour straight early morning, during the day, in the middle of the night, anything can come up during that 1 hour in real life to disrupt that planned gameplay....

I happen to think that, since the Store bought Potion is an item which cost real money, its time should not go wasted, even if only 2 minutes out of 60, because of the delayed log off timer when having been in combat (and those 2 minutes are lost for each and every log off that one might hav to go through while trying to do that 1 hour game play under the influx of the Store bought Potion so, if it was to happen more then once, the minutes lost could be 4, 6, 8+ depending on how many times during that 1 hour the player was to have to abruptedly log off....).