Help with 2 character concepts

I am wanting to try a couple of new characters.  One is a bard/tamer and the other is a new archer.

Bard/tamer build I am considering
Provocation 
Discord
Musicianship
Animal Taming
Veterinary
Animal Lore
Magery
Should I make them a gargoyle so that I can have a 5 slot pet and still run (or fly as the case may be)?  

Archer build I am considering
Archery
Anatomy
Tactics
Chivalry
Resisting Spells
Spirit Speak (for quick mana regen for special attacks)
Healing?
I was going to make them human for JOAT to cast wraithform.

Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  This is for PvM only.

Corwyn said:

I am wanting to try a couple of new characters.  One is a bard/tamer and the other is a new archer.

Bard/tamer build I am considering
Provocation 
Discord
Musicianship
Animal Taming
Veterinary
Animal Lore
Magery
Should I make them a gargoyle so that I can have a 5 slot pet and still run (or fly as the case may be)?  

Archer build I am considering
Archery
Anatomy
Tactics
Chivalry
Resisting Spells
Spirit Speak (for quick mana regen for special attacks)
Healing?
I was going to make them human for JOAT to cast wraithform.

Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  This is for PvM only.

120 taming and lore real skills

its essential these re real skills, because if you die, you can still control a good pet in your pants, so if you need to get away fast they can take you without your armour,  also you have less chance of it ignoring you, going wild etc......
music 105, discord 105 (add +15 of each to a jewel) to get 120
mage 100 plus Tome or +20 book if you want, but its not for fighting as you dont have support spells for mage,  but it can greater heal ,invis, cure  recall and gate etc.....
Vet 70 real skill, plus another +15 on a jewel

I did have a garg for GD, but I Reverte done I got some good Cu's.  I am an elf, and if I get in trouble I can call the pet back. jump on a retreat 

JackFlashUk said:

120 taming and lore real skills

its essential these re real skills, because if you die, you can still control a good pet in your pants, 

That's sound advice, I think.

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

Only Elves can tame a Cu.  Pads are needed to control Cus for human/gargs.  Humans/gargs can not tame a Cu even with pads on.
From CAH
Cu Sidhe's can only be tamed by an Elf
Cu Sidhe's can only be ridden by an Elf, or a Human wearing Boots of the Cu Sidhe
https://www.uo-cah.com/bestiary/Cu_Sidhe
So it looks like you may be able to control them without the Pads

JackFlashUk said:

120 taming and lore real skills

its essential these re real skills, because if you die, you can still control a good pet in your pants, so if you need to get away fast they can take you without your armour,  also you have less chance of it ignoring you, going wild etc......
music 105, discord 105 (add +15 of each to a jewel) to get 120
mage 100 plus Tome or +20 book if you want, but its not for fighting as you dont have support spells for mage,  but it can greater heal ,invis, cure  recall and gate etc.....
Vet 70 real skill, plus another +15 on a jewel

I did have a garg for GD, but I Reverte done I got some good Cu's.  I am an elf, and if I get in trouble I can call the pet back. jump on a retreat 

Pets no longer go wild 

Lord_Frodo said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

Only Elves can tame a Cu.  Pads are needed to control Cus for human/gargs.  Humans/gargs can not tame a Cu even with pads on.
From CAH
Cu Sidhe's can only be tamed by an Elf
Cu Sidhe's can only be ridden by an Elf, or a Human wearing Boots of the Cu Sidhe
https://www.uo-cah.com/bestiary/Cu_Sidhe
So it looks like you may be able to control them without the Pads

Yes sorry I did not mean tame.  I have never Tamed a Cu in UO.  
The only way I'll have a Blaze is if someone gives it to me.
Meant to say Elves are the only ones that can tame them. 

Yes you can control a Cu without pads. You just need them to mount. 

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

@ CovenantX - Since the other thread was closed, I figured I'd show you here. I think this is another example of something that he's posted wrong if you want to start collecting the incorrect things posted.

Any character not using luck suit has changed to new boots 

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

@ CovenantX - Since the other thread was closed, I figured I'd show you here. I think this is another example of something that he's posted wrong if you want to start collecting the incorrect things posted.

I already admitted I meant to say only elves can tame.  And yall should know not to reply to my post quick, I go back and re read and change or add stuff when I see it is needed.  😂  I need more than the hour sometimes.  I made 5 changes to the last post I made to Mervyn.

Pawain said:

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

@ CovenantX - Since the other thread was closed, I figured I'd show you here. I think this is another example of something that he's posted wrong if you want to start collecting the incorrect things posted.

I already admitted I meant to say only elves can tame.  And yall should know not to reply to my post quick, I go back and re read and change or add stuff when I see it is needed.  😂  I need more than the hour sometimes.  I made 5 changes to the last post I made to Mervyn.

But they do not want to show that as it does not fit their narrative.  We both posted corrections to our original post but at least we know better.

Grimbeard said:

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

@ CovenantX - Since the other thread was closed, I figured I'd show you here. I think this is another example of something that he's posted wrong if you want to start collecting the incorrect things posted.

Any character not using luck suit has changed to new boots 

You have the new boots. luck foot wear, HCI and DCI footwear so footwear is becoming a part of the armor set. 

Lord_Frodo said:

Pawain said:

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

As a NON-Elf Tamer don't you have to wear, what is it, Pads of the Cu just to own one so you lose another armor slot.

Most basic tamer/mage/weaver do not need boots fore stats. Your basically not using the Minax sandals if you need pads. You can equip luck when needed. Pads are only needed for taming or mounting a Cu. None of my main tamers are elf.

@ CovenantX - Since the other thread was closed, I figured I'd show you here. I think this is another example of something that he's posted wrong if you want to start collecting the incorrect things posted.

I already admitted I meant to say only elves can tame.  And yall should know not to reply to my post quick, I go back and re read and change or add stuff when I see it is needed.  😂  I need more than the hour sometimes.  I made 5 changes to the last post I made to Mervyn.

But they do not want to show that as it does not fit their narrative.  We both posted corrections to our original post but at least we know better.

Corwyn said:

I am wanting to try a couple of new characters.  One is a bard/tamer and the other is a new archer.

Bard/tamer build I am considering
Provocation 
Discord
Musicianship
Animal Taming
Veterinary
Animal Lore
Magery
Should I make them a gargoyle so that I can have a 5 slot pet and still run (or fly as the case may be)?  

Archer build I am considering
Archery
Anatomy
Tactics
Chivalry
Resisting Spells
Spirit Speak (for quick mana regen for special attacks)
Healing?
I was going to make them human for JOAT to cast wraithform.

Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  This is for PvM only.

Tamer: if you do not want to ride your tames then yes go garg. I have a garg tamer and an elf tamer, lately I have been playing the elf more but that will change at some point.

Archer: fairly standard template.  Healing?  You are at range so chiv heal will be ok.