Scripting and Powerscrolls

The one change which would help, I have been saying it since the last changes to Treasure Hunting a few Years ago, should be adding 115 Powerscrolls to Felucca Treasure Chests.

That's it.

While it is unrealistic to bind 110s into 120s since it takes way too many of them (120 "matching" 110s), meaning that one needs a ridicolously high number of Treasure Maps and an unresonable time to find all those chests, fight the spawn, and dig hundreds if not thousands of Treasure Chests up, before they can bind all those many "matching" 110s into a 120.

This unreasonable and ridicolous waste of time, compares with the few minutes needed to do a spawn for those Guilds which can basically do them unarmed as they are those raiding, and hardly anyone raids them.

It is simply unrealistic and a futile attempt to try get 120s doing Treasure Maps as it is.

If, instead, 115 Powerscrolls were to finally be added to Treasure Chests, while still taking a way much longer time to bind them into a 120 as compared to doing a spawn and getting 115 and 120 drops in a matter of minutes, at least, it would now become a reasonable alternative way as to doing Spawns for players to get 120s for their characters and pets.

That is what should be done, really, to my opinion.

If either of you killers did champ spawns you'd know you can do 20 in a row without getting a 120 tactics or similar valuable scrolls and  really the 110s you can get from t-chest more than enough to build pets 

“ popps, you don’t have to spend any time dealing with the bots, we ignore them.

if enemy comes in more numbers they could win champ, if they come with less numbers, just kill them. 

I never speak to this topic because I just never use a tamer. Even though I have a skilled-up tamer. And I have some awesome old school (still needing to be trained with the "new system") pets my husband tamed back in the day. And other already decently trained pets that have been gifted to me from other players along the way...you know who you are, and I thank you  🙂 

But I do still have characters I'd like to create and train up so; I'm going to chime in on the above first two posts that seem pretty thoughtful and reasonable.

At this late date and at the risk of pissing off the fraction of the players who control the lion's share of PS's, I really don't see why there can't be an expansion on how we work our way to owning 120's.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to speed up a method in Trammel for gathering scrolls to bind. All I've ever heard from others is how it's such a ridiculously slow process no one bothers with it.

I realize PS's were and I guess still are meant to throw pvpers a bone, but does it really need to remain such a restricted system now? I dunno, I've never cared for the whole Power Scrolls thing to begin with. So perhaps that's another reason why I'm not very qualified to speak to it. For me they've always been a part of some of the changes that I thought were a bummer to come back to after a lengthy time away from the game.

That said, it was decided PS's would become very important to players and I guess there's no unringing the bell. But with populations as they are, is it really so important to still keep them so difficult for the average more casual player to get?

Why can't players rich with gold continue to pay what the market will bear for the 120's obtained in Felucca but truly let others invest time into a different system that will eventually lead to 120's? Why create this binding scrolls thing then go so overboard on the time you'd need to invest that it immediate becomes an unappealing and unused system?

Maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe lots of people are enjoying the process for binding scrolls to create their 120's. I've never done it, but all I've ever heard is it sucks so no one bothers. Maybe another level of difficulty could be added that will speed up the process? Maybe add a quest that takes teamwork; the prize is a drop that's used as a component to speed up the binding.

Maybe have this component used in a way that it renders a 120 that lands in your pack as a character bound or account bound item. Then it doesn't cut into the efforts of those who hunt scrolls in Felucca and sell them on vendors.

Grimbeard said:

If either of you killers did champ spawns you'd know you can do 20 in a row without getting a 120 tactics or similar valuable scrolls and  really the 110s you can get from t-chest more than enough to build pets 

 🙂 
Huh! Sounds like you could use a system for binding scrolls that's truly worth your time and effort!

“And, before vendor search, bot used to move around Luna and log everything on vendor and you would go to website to vendor search.

Now everyone loves in game vendor search.

dev needs to address issue by making town crier bark”

LilyGrace said:

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to speed up a method in Trammel for gathering scrolls to bind.

"You literally get 100% of all other content, 
Powerscrolls (and some VvV rewards for use by VvV members) are the ONLY thing that we have and you want to move in on that market. 

When i say town crier should bark location of champ being worked, i meant the town crier in trammel too, so everyone can read"

Most pvm players who are willing to venture into Fel for power scrolls will accept the chance that they will be raided. That's the risk. What they will not accept is the absolute certainty that they will be raided because of cheating bots. If it was acceptable for champ spawns to be discovered with no effort on the part of the intending raiders the Exorcism spell would never have been added to Necromancy.

Champ spawns have always been a topic of contention, I even remember one pvper demanding that champion spawns should be banned during the day because he was at school! I mention no names, but maybe I'm not the only player who remembers that? 
Bots need banning, no matter what they're being used for. They are a blight on the game.

SaulGoodman1 said:

Let me preface by saying I don't pvp, am just a peaceful Trammy Tamer with a dream that one day nobody see's Red, Orange or Blue just shades of Grey. Being a tamer I need scrolls for pets, not being a pvper its nigh impossible.

Essentially players are extorted into paying as ej accounts cant get scrolls to drop in fel, however once you pay you realize You still cant get a scroll because you are raided 100 percent of the time by scripters (the majority for RMT's).

i use this term loosely "Dev team" wont allow 120 scrolls to drop in Tram, why?

So they extort you to pay then allow RMT's to steal what you work so hard to get and expect you to pay again for the scrolls?

Would it be helpful if 120 scrolls from Tram champ spawns were shard bound or even account bound?  That would leave scrolls farmed from Fel champ spawns available for transfer to other shards.

Yoshi, I've never played this game in a way that allows me to farm the kind of gold it takes to scroll up character types that I've still never created and played. I simply do not lead the kind of life that has me playing or botting enough to make that kind of gold. And that's not going to change.

So, what are you telling me? My only options for scrolling up new characters is to magically become skilled at pvp so I can survive and or raid Felucca champ spawns? I think that ship has sailed. Better still, should I become proficient at piloting characters using multiple clients, using multiple monitors to increase my chances at getting scrolls? No thanks. 

Or do I need to start playing enough hours to farm enough gold to buy scrolls off you? Or do I have to buy gold with real life monies from "players" who do have the time to farm gold, so I can buy scrolls off you? Or should I just forget scrolling up characters and miss out on pretty much all the game content that's been added, since the advent of PS's, that requires having fully scrolled up avatars to be able to survive and take part in the content? 

Saying I want to move in on the market is bs. I want to invest a reasonable amount of gametime into a system that allows me to eventually earn 120 power scrolls for myself. Why put the system for binding the scrolls in at all if it's so messed up it isn't used?

Why create content that completely depends on your avatars being power-scrolled up and then watch scrolls become increasingly more and more difficult and expensive for the average casual player to obtain them? Not to mention difficult to find because of dwindling populations.

I'm not spending gold at your or anyone else's vendors to get power scrolls, because I don't have the gold to do so. So how am I robbing you if I devote playtime to a reasonably slower, but not impossible, process to earn them? You're not losing a thing. And it's not like you wouldn't be able to bind scrolls more easily too and sell them or use them for yourself. Players that want what they want when they want it aren't going to stop buying your power scrolls.

I don't feel I'm being at all selfish here, Yoshi. I truly don't.

TimSt said:

Would it be helpful if 120 scrolls from Tram champ spawns were shard bound or even account bound?  That would leave scrolls farmed from Fel champ spawns available for transfer to other shards.

CovenantX said:

TimSt said:

Would it be helpful if 120 scrolls from Tram champ spawns were shard bound or even account bound?  That would leave scrolls farmed from Fel champ spawns available for transfer to other shards.

  in short, no, because fel players wouldn't get fights in dungeons anymore. cause those 'fights' would have migrated to tram where it's even easier to bot without consequence.

  Fel already has both transferable & shard-bound scrolls.   the shard-bound scrolls are only during the Halloween season though, that spawn drops transferable scrolls any other time.

 

What i struggle with is that pvpers claim only to want to have good fights vs worthy opponents yet after 20 years still demanding fresh sheep 

Totally agree with the need to kill all the BOTs EVERYWHERE at champ spawns but hold onto your seats.  I spent less than one week on Atl selling items and got enough gold to fully scroll 2 CUs/Tritons with all 120 PSs which runs about a little over 300M for all 9-120s.  For those doing the ROOF and seeing the prices they get I am sure they could do it in far less time.  PSs are needed but they are not the cream of the crop and to get 18-120s in a week is far quicker than doing the spawn.  Let them do the hard work while us Tram folk do all the other stuff and sell it and buy their PSs.  Yes yes I know this looks a little out of place for me but as I get very much older and enjoy doing different things in UO I would rather pay the Fel folk for doing all the work so I can do other things in UO.  I have 3 Tamers and all 3 have 1 Cu, 1 Triton and 1 GD and all the Cus/Tritons are fully scrolled but they are not the 100% perfect one so I have enough 120s to do 6 more pets as I get the PERFECT pet they will be replaced.  So basically I am done buying Scrolls unless they come out with a different pet that will replace a Cu/Triton/GD or some one can show me that there is another pet that is as versatile as the 3 main pets that almost all Tamers use.

Grimbeard said:

CovenantX said:

TimSt said:

Would it be helpful if 120 scrolls from Tram champ spawns were shard bound or even account bound?  That would leave scrolls farmed from Fel champ spawns available for transfer to other shards.

  in short, no, because fel players wouldn't get fights in dungeons anymore. cause those 'fights' would have migrated to tram where it's even easier to bot without consequence.

  Fel already has both transferable & shard-bound scrolls.   the shard-bound scrolls are only during the Halloween season though, that spawn drops transferable scrolls any other time.

 

What i struggle with is that pvpers claim only to want to have good fights vs worthy opponents yet after 20 years still demanding fresh sheep 

UO’s culture and the rules it generates tries to force players that want to advance to go to Felucca where UO developed a rule set promotes the interests of player killers over other players.  Early on UO realized this strategy of trying to force players not much interested in pvp play into that play style was not working so it developed the Trammel rule set so it could accommodate both players interested in pvp and players not interested in pvp, and compete with the other game platforms.  This strategy worked and UO is still with us.
Have to agree Felucca trove and hoard chests should contain higher level maps.  The 110’s don’t have much value.  Higher level maps would get more players to go there so the needs of those players that hunt other players would be better met.
Not saying anything intended to indicate one play style is somehow better than another.  Players should be able to choose the play style they enjoy but UO should not be trying to make that decision for them.

First I fully agree that BOTs should be actively banned not ignored by the GMs. There is no reason that a toon killing bunnies can be caught and banned and GMs can’t track and ban BOTs with equal zeal. It is simply being lazy on their part that this isn’t done.

On a slightly different note one thing which would reduce this practice is to restrict EJ accounts to Tram, they can’t benefit from Champ spawns anyway so they have no need in Fel, and if they desire to pvp subscribe.

As for the pvp’ers who claim they need BOTs to be active, it’s a shame that you feel the need to cheat in order to play a 20 year old game. Of course the same cheaters, I mean pvp’ers that claim they must have BOTs also cry that they need scripts and 3rd party programs to compete in pvp. I find it disheartening that the staff of this game continues to condone such actions. 

Arnold7 said:

UO’s culture and the rules it generates tries to force players that want to advance to go to Felucca where UO developed a rule set promotes the interests of player killers over other players.  Early on UO realized this strategy of trying to force players not much interested in pvp play into that play style was not working so it developed the Trammel rule set so it could accommodate both players interested in pvp and players not interested in pvp, and compete with the other game platforms.  This strategy worked and UO is still with us.
Have to agree Felucca trove and hoard chests should contain higher level maps.  The 110’s don’t have much value.  Higher level maps would get more players to go there so the needs of those players that hunt other players would be better met.
Not saying anything intended to indicate one play style is somehow better than another.  Players should be able to choose the play style they enjoy but UO should not be trying to make that decision for them.

My  110 pets can kill everything in game...that's with my hybrid fishing or treasure hunting builds offering little to no help in doing so 

Petra_Fyde said:

What they will not accept is the absolute certainty that they will be raided because of cheating bots.

"if bots are not EJ it's okay? cool problem solved"

LilyGrace said:

 My only options for scrolling up new characters is to magically become skilled at pvp so I can survive and or raid Felucca champ spawns?

Currency is used in exchange for goods and services, you do whatever it is you do and sell for gold, we are spending 2 million every time we cast teleport...(tele ring) "

Way to completely disregard almost all of what I think is a pretty valid argument on my part on why exchange for goods and services, for items as expensive as PS’s, isn’t doable for the casual player. Though we still need to acquire them to create viable characters that can take part in most of the game content now.  And instead offering a ridiculous response regarding the expense of using old teleport rings. Insert an eye roll and a wtf here. 

Yoshi said:

"if bots are not EJ it's okay? cool problem solved"

@gay
Add in Blackthorn with a large group
BODs
Selling items from the UO Store

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

I agree 100% however you're paying your subscription fee for something that forces us to play your play style and you're definitely not killing trammies for money and it's certainly not challenging so other than enjoying killing people unable to defend themselves what do you gain 

Gay, I said nothing about getting scrolls for free. I specifically talked about making a different sort of investment of time. And I specifically said I don’t play a tamer. So you’re off on the wrong foot right from jump. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. 

LilyGrace said:

Gay, I said nothing about getting scrolls for free. I specifically talked about making a different sort of investment of time. And I specifically said I don’t play a tamer. So you’re off on the wrong foot right from jump. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. 

And now suddenly Yoshi can’t distinguish someone who invests many hours a week playing UO, and bots that farm gold, from players who run one character, one client at a time, for a lot fewer hours a week. 

But sure, let’s continue to allow a handful of malcontents, that want to pk other players who are trying to get PS’s for themselves, hold us all by the shorthairs. And let’s make sure the one alternative to Felucca champ spawns is kept tedious and useless to the point of no one wanting to bother with it. 

Who are you? I'm making a post in someone's (not yours) thread who explicitly stated that they were a trammel based tamer who prefers to never see any hostile player. Maybe while I work on that reading comprehension you think I need, you should work on realizing that everything posted under some random post of yours in a thread you didn't start isn't directed at you, and if it were then you'd probably be quoted in that post, for example like I've done in this post.

Fair enough, gay, but you didn’t specify who you were addressing and I made an assumption based on what I read in the posts that followed mine. It made it easy to think you were addressing me. *shrug*

"roof - cameo"

CovenantX said:

Keep in mind, the prices of items probably wouldn't be anywhere near what they are if bots weren't rampant farming a multitude of content, adding more gold & items into circulation.

Do BOTs really pick up gold.  When we were doing the Easter Egg Spawn very few of us picked up gold so even the Tram folk are not really picking up gold

LilyGrace said:

Fair enough, gay, but you didn’t specify who you were addressing and I made an assumption based on what I read in the posts that followed mine. It made it easy to think you were addressing me. *shrug*

Trammel EM events, once a month on every server.
ONLY in Trammel, reward drops worth 150m-1plat per month.
Problem solved, you can log in for 1 hour a month, and still get scrolls.
Why are you still complaining, PvPers have to go through a lot more than this.

IDOCS, every single day.

As Yoshi has clearly been saying, there are many many ways for you to craft, pvm in RISK FREE Trammel, and find currency to trade and interact, this really is the point of the entire game.

Yoshi said:

"roof - cameo"

It's easier for a pvper to make a character capable of doing roof or uwb then it is for someone to build a pvper now even if the pvper not using illegal client just the fact that they have better macro settings and the decades of practice makes it a steep learning curve i would venture that even someone who pvped back in the day would be destroyed by the weakest current pvper 

Can anyone explain to me why they bothered to put in a system of binding scrolls that no one wants to use?

edit - risk free isn’t really the point either. With insurance everything is risk free except, regarding this topic, the cursed scrolls themselves. I just don’t see why there can’t be an investment of time made that leads to the scrolls that actually works in a way that would interest players. 

SaulGoodman1 said:

Let me preface by saying I don't pvp, am just a peaceful Trammy Tamer with a dream that one day nobody see's Red, Orange or Blue just shades of Grey. Being a tamer I need scrolls for pets, not being a pvper its nigh impossible.

Essentially players are extorted into paying as ej accounts cant get scrolls to drop in fel, however once you pay you realize You still cant get a scroll because you are raided 100 percent of the time by scripters (the majority for RMT's).

i use this term loosely "Dev team" wont allow 120 scrolls to drop in Tram, why?

So they extort you to pay then allow RMT's to steal what you work so hard to get and expect you to pay again for the scrolls?

Cookie said:

LilyGrace said:

Fair enough, gay, but you didn’t specify who you were addressing and I made an assumption based on what I read in the posts that followed mine. It made it easy to think you were addressing me. *shrug*

Trammel EM events, once a month on every server.
ONLY in Trammel, reward drops worth 150m-1plat per month.
Problem solved, you can log in for 1 hour a month, and still get scrolls.
Why are you still complaining, PvPers have to go through a lot more than this.

IDOCS, every single day.

As Yoshi has clearly been saying, there are many many ways for you to craft, pvm in RISK FREE Trammel, and find currency to trade and interact, this really is the point of the entire game.

You mean EM events that would mean I need to have scrolled up, well trained and well equipped characters fighting on multiple shards so transfers tokens are also needed in order to take part?

LilyGrace said:

Cookie said:

LilyGrace said:

Fair enough, gay, but you didn’t specify who you were addressing and I made an assumption based on what I read in the posts that followed mine. It made it easy to think you were addressing me. *shrug*

Trammel EM events, once a month on every server.
ONLY in Trammel, reward drops worth 150m-1plat per month.
Problem solved, you can log in for 1 hour a month, and still get scrolls.
Why are you still complaining, PvPers have to go through a lot more than this.

IDOCS, every single day.

As Yoshi has clearly been saying, there are many many ways for you to craft, pvm in RISK FREE Trammel, and find currency to trade and interact, this really is the point of the entire game.

You mean EM events that would mean I need to have scrolled up, well trained and well equipped characters fighting on multiple shards so transfers tokens are also needed in order to take part?

With respect, you need to learn how to play the game, be pro-active, and learn to think positively for yourself. You seem to only see huge insurmountable obstacles everywhere - I cannot help you with that, I can only advise, that 1,000's of successful players do not have the problems you are having.

For EM events, you can make the most basic healer, with a sorcerers suit, and heal pets, or other players, and get a drop via healing. You can make the most basic thrower.

Rather than telling us what you cannot do the whole time, sit back, and think to yourself, what can you do.

This is the core difference between the mentality of a Feluccan, or Trammel player, it is all in the mind. It's an ideology.

Lord_Frodo said:

CovenantX said:

Keep in mind, the prices of items probably wouldn't be anywhere near what they are if bots weren't rampant farming a multitude of content, adding more gold & items into circulation.

Do BOTs really pick up gold.  When we were doing the Easter Egg Spawn very few of us picked up gold so even the Tram folk are not really picking up gold

LilyGrace said:

Cookie said:

LilyGrace said:

Fair enough, gay, but you didn’t specify who you were addressing and I made an assumption based on what I read in the posts that followed mine. It made it easy to think you were addressing me. *shrug*

Trammel EM events, once a month on every server.
ONLY in Trammel, reward drops worth 150m-1plat per month.
Problem solved, you can log in for 1 hour a month, and still get scrolls.
Why are you still complaining, PvPers have to go through a lot more than this.

IDOCS, every single day.

As Yoshi has clearly been saying, there are many many ways for you to craft, pvm in RISK FREE Trammel, and find currency to trade and interact, this really is the point of the entire game.

You mean EM events that would mean I need to have scrolled up, well trained and well equipped characters fighting on multiple shards so transfers tokens are also needed in order to take part?

All you need is looting rights to have a chance to get a drop. How you acquire looting rights is up to you, but you can do it with 7x GM chrs no scrolls at all just doing dmg, you can do it by xhealing people or their pets, hell when I did events in the past I got looting rights and drops by just throwing explode pots that I bought off the NPC on a fresh chr I had just made. EM events are a joke.

Back at ya with the all do respect, but you make it sound like I’m the only player who thinks binding the scrolls ought to actually work reasonably well. Rather than it being a system that’s pretty much entirely ignored because of how time consuming and tedious it is. 

Cookie said:

With respect, you need to learn how to play the game, be pro-active, and learn to think positively for yourself. You seem to only see huge insurmountable obstacles everywhere - I cannot help you with that, I can only advise, that 1,000's of successful players do not have the problems you are having.

For EM events, you can make the most basic healer, with a sorcerers suit, and heal pets, or other players, and get a drop via healing. You can make the most basic thrower.

Rather than telling us what you cannot do the whole time, sit back, and think to yourself, what can you do.

This is the core difference between the mentality of a Feluccan, or Trammel player, it is all in the mind. It's an ideology.

Responding only to the writing style of Cookies post.

 Sounds like me when I say stop complaining about XYZ, and play UO. 

I love the tell us about what you can do and not about what you can't do.  I should put that as my Signature. 

Cookie said:
Rather than telling us what you cannot do the whole time, sit back, and think to yourself, what can you do.

This is the core difference between the mentality of a Feluccan, or Trammel player, it is all in the mind. It's an ideology.

Grimbeard said:

Yoshi said:

"roof - cameo"

It's easier for a pvper to make a character capable of doing roof or uwb then it is for someone to build a pvper now even if the pvper not using illegal client just the fact that they have better macro settings and the decades of practice makes it a steep learning curve i would venture that even someone who pvped back in the day would be destroyed by the weakest current pvper 

    if you're half decent at pvp, you can still beat people who are using 'illegal programs' in pvp, you just have to try harder to do the same things, than they do.    with few exceptions, like things that were/are only possible via 'illegal program',    like 'pre-aos stun' a few years ago.

Yoshi said:

“ popps, you don’t have to spend any time dealing with the bots, we ignore them.

if enemy comes in more numbers they could win champ, if they come with less numbers, just kill them. 

I don’t think champs were supposed to be solod.

It’s part of game

why does it matter if you get spotted by a bot or you get spotted by the wife?

just always be prepared.

bots will stop when town crier barks that champ is being worked same as Krampus .

People used to run bots all over land to find idocs, so they made merchant bark location.
complain about town crier not yet barking location instead of complaining about the bots.

tackle the cause of the crime”

It goes without saying, that if BOT Cams spot someone doing a spawn, the Raiders then already know through their CAMs, how many players are doing a spawn....

And of course, it goes without saying then, that the Raiders would then come in a number sufficient enough to easily gank those doing the Spawn.

Sure, those being Raided could have a "backup" party ready to come in support against the Raiders but, at that point, we are no longer talking casual players or a few friends just wanting to do a spawn together, we are talking of organized PvP Guilds who do this in an organized and planned manner.

So, I need to repeat, Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams need to be terminated by the Developers, one way or the other, because while Guilds can adjust to them, casual subscribed and paying players or few friends, cannot.

The only hope for a few friends to get a Spawn done is if they remain unnoticed and the only way to make this possible is if the Developers make it impossible for players to set up Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams.

Or just have 115 finally spawn in Treasure Chests.

@Kyronix , could you please kindly make it impossible the use of Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams and add 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests ?

Thank you so much.

P.S. If players want to find other players to fight them in PvP, they should LOOK for the out of their in-game time.... not conveniently use scripted BOTs or barking NPCs.

PvPers want to find targets to hit ? Well, I am of the opinion that they should go look for them, ACTIVELY, using their in-game time.

Real life hunters, usually, prize the hunt more then the actual kill which only lasts a few seconds if not even less. I do not see why Ultima Online should be any different and serve targets to PvPers on a silver platter be it through BOT Cams or barking NPCs.

Go out and ACTIVELY look for them, using in-game time.

That is the way I see it.

Pawain said:

Cookie said:

With respect, you need to learn how to play the game, be pro-active, and learn to think positively for yourself. You seem to only see huge insurmountable obstacles everywhere - I cannot help you with that, I can only advise, that 1,000's of successful players do not have the problems you are having.

For EM events, you can make the most basic healer, with a sorcerers suit, and heal pets, or other players, and get a drop via healing. You can make the most basic thrower.

Rather than telling us what you cannot do the whole time, sit back, and think to yourself, what can you do.

This is the core difference between the mentality of a Feluccan, or Trammel player, it is all in the mind. It's an ideology.

Responding only to the writing style of Cookies post.

 Sounds like me when I say stop complaining about XYZ, and play UO. 

I love the tell us about what you can do and not about what you can't do.  I should put that as my Signature. 

Thank you, I get tired of these debates, and hearing the same old.

I try to stay polite, but cannot keep the bluntness from coming out.

Often I've had to tone it down 10 times, before I post. 🙂

Yoshi said:

"it's not like the bots are actually farming the scrolls.

I been to some champs fights, have about 30 people turn up, all fighting for an hour. And all some people get out of it are a few 10s...

way more effort than doing a roof run.

if there were no bots. Scrolls would be farmed by solo sampires until they are thrown in trash for points"

Petra_Fyde said:

Most pvm players who are willing to venture into Fel for power scrolls will accept the chance that they will be raided. That's the risk. What they will not accept is the absolute certainty that they will be raided because of cheating bots. If it was acceptable for champ spawns to be discovered with no effort on the part of the intending raiders the Exorcism spell would never have been added to Necromancy.

Champ spawns have always been a topic of contention, I even remember one pvper demanding that champion spawns should be banned during the day because he was at school! I mention no names, but maybe I'm not the only player who remembers that? 
Bots need banning, no matter what they're being used for. They are a blight on the game.

Petra, because of scripted EJ free BOT Cams that report to Discord Channel activity at Spawns location, it is not a "chance" to get Raided but, unfortunately, pretty much a certainty.....

Now, "if" the Developers were to make the use of these scripted EJ free BOT Cams impossible, and Raiders actually HAD TO actively double check any and all Spawn locations out of their in-game time, walking the land, well, then you could have argument about that "chance" of getting Raided but as it is now, I am sorry, but I cannot agree with you.

Scripted EJ free BOT Cams really NEED TO GO for good.

@Kyronix , any clever Developer idea about how to make them no longer a viable possibility ?

LilyGrace said:

Yoshi, I've never played this game in a way that allows me to farm the kind of gold it takes to scroll up character types that I've still never created and played. I simply do not lead the kind of life that has me playing or botting enough to make that kind of gold. And that's not going to change.

So, what are you telling me? My only options for scrolling up new characters is to magically become skilled at pvp so I can survive and or raid Felucca champ spawns? I think that ship has sailed. Better still, should I become proficient at piloting characters using multiple clients, using multiple monitors to increase my chances at getting scrolls? No thanks. 

Or do I need to start playing enough hours to farm enough gold to buy scrolls off you? Or do I have to buy gold with real life monies from "players" who do have the time to farm gold, so I can buy scrolls off you? Or should I just forget scrolling up characters and miss out on pretty much all the game content that's been added, since the advent of PS's, that requires having fully scrolled up avatars to be able to survive and take part in the content? 

Saying I want to move in on the market is bs. I want to invest a reasonable amount of gametime into a system that allows me to eventually earn 120 power scrolls for myself. Why put the system for binding the scrolls in at all if it's so messed up it isn't used?

Why create content that completely depends on your avatars being power-scrolled up and then watch scrolls become increasingly more and more difficult and expensive for the average casual player to obtain them? Not to mention difficult to find because of dwindling populations.

I'm not spending gold at your or anyone else's vendors to get power scrolls, because I don't have the gold to do so. So how am I robbing you if I devote playtime to a reasonably slower, but not impossible, process to earn them? You're not losing a thing. And it's not like you wouldn't be able to bind scrolls more easily too and sell them or use them for yourself. Players that want what they want when they want it aren't going to stop buying your power scrolls.

I don't feel I'm being at all selfish here, Yoshi. I truly don't.

VERY well said.

I really hope that @Kyronix is reading this Thread and finally gets of the opinion, together with the other Developers, of adding 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests,

It would still require a significant time and effort for players to find all matching 115s from Treasure Chests to bind into 120s but, at least, it would now become feasible.

With 110s it simply is not.

popps said:

LilyGrace said:

Yoshi, I've never played this game in a way that allows me to farm the kind of gold it takes to scroll up character types that I've still never created and played. I simply do not lead the kind of life that has me playing or botting enough to make that kind of gold. And that's not going to change.

So, what are you telling me? My only options for scrolling up new characters is to magically become skilled at pvp so I can survive and or raid Felucca champ spawns? I think that ship has sailed. Better still, should I become proficient at piloting characters using multiple clients, using multiple monitors to increase my chances at getting scrolls? No thanks. 

Or do I need to start playing enough hours to farm enough gold to buy scrolls off you? Or do I have to buy gold with real life monies from "players" who do have the time to farm gold, so I can buy scrolls off you? Or should I just forget scrolling up characters and miss out on pretty much all the game content that's been added, since the advent of PS's, that requires having fully scrolled up avatars to be able to survive and take part in the content? 

Saying I want to move in on the market is bs. I want to invest a reasonable amount of gametime into a system that allows me to eventually earn 120 power scrolls for myself. Why put the system for binding the scrolls in at all if it's so messed up it isn't used?

Why create content that completely depends on your avatars being power-scrolled up and then watch scrolls become increasingly more and more difficult and expensive for the average casual player to obtain them? Not to mention difficult to find because of dwindling populations.

I'm not spending gold at your or anyone else's vendors to get power scrolls, because I don't have the gold to do so. So how am I robbing you if I devote playtime to a reasonably slower, but not impossible, process to earn them? You're not losing a thing. And it's not like you wouldn't be able to bind scrolls more easily too and sell them or use them for yourself. Players that want what they want when they want it aren't going to stop buying your power scrolls.

I don't feel I'm being at all selfish here, Yoshi. I truly don't.

VERY well said.

I really hope that @ Kyronix is reading this Thread and finally gets of the opinion, together with the other Developers, of adding 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests,

It would still require a significant time and effort for players to find all matching 115s from Treasure Chests to bind into 120s but, at least, it would now become feasible.

With 110s it simply is not.

popps said:

Yoshi said:

“ popps, you don’t have to spend any time dealing with the bots, we ignore them.

if enemy comes in more numbers they could win champ, if they come with less numbers, just kill them. 

I don’t think champs were supposed to be solod.

It’s part of game

why does it matter if you get spotted by a bot or you get spotted by the wife?

just always be prepared.

bots will stop when town crier barks that champ is being worked same as Krampus .

People used to run bots all over land to find idocs, so they made merchant bark location.
complain about town crier not yet barking location instead of complaining about the bots.

tackle the cause of the crime”

@ Kyronix , could you please kindly make it impossible the use of Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams and add 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests ?

Riner said:

First I fully agree that BOTs should be actively banned not ignored by the GMs. There is no reason that a toon killing bunnies can be caught and banned and GMs can’t track and ban BOTs with equal zeal. It is simply being lazy on their part that this isn’t done.

On a slightly different note one thing which would reduce this practice is to restrict EJ accounts to Tram, they can’t benefit from Champ spawns anyway so they have no need in Fel, and if they desire to pvp subscribe.

As for the pvp’ers who claim they need BOTs to be active, it’s a shame that you feel the need to cheat in order to play a 20 year old game. Of course the same cheaters, I mean pvp’ers that claim they must have BOTs also cry that they need scripts and 3rd party programs to compete in pvp. I find it disheartening that the staff of this game continues to condone such actions. 

@ Kyronix please either have rules enforced or simply drop them. 

Yes, restricting EJ characters to Trammel only, could be a valid way to address this issue on Production servers and still give to EJ characters enough "room" to try out the game and decide whether to subscribe or not but, it would be of no help on Siege and Mugen where, I would imagine, EJ free BOT Cams also might be an issue hurting subscribed layers playing there.

So, perhaps, a more comprehensive solution that would actually make it not possible to use free EJ characters as scripted BOT Cams at the exense of subscribed players, altogether, be it in Felucca or Trammel, would be preferable, to my opinion.

popps said:

Riner said:

First I fully agree that BOTs should be actively banned not ignored by the GMs. There is no reason that a toon killing bunnies can be caught and banned and GMs can’t track and ban BOTs with equal zeal. It is simply being lazy on their part that this isn’t done.

On a slightly different note one thing which would reduce this practice is to restrict EJ accounts to Tram, they can’t benefit from Champ spawns anyway so they have no need in Fel, and if they desire to pvp subscribe.

As for the pvp’ers who claim they need BOTs to be active, it’s a shame that you feel the need to cheat in order to play a 20 year old game. Of course the same cheaters, I mean pvp’ers that claim they must have BOTs also cry that they need scripts and 3rd party programs to compete in pvp. I find it disheartening that the staff of this game continues to condone such actions. 

@ Kyronix please either have rules enforced or simply drop them. 

Yes, restricting EJ characters to Trammel only, could be a valid way to address this issue on Production servers and still give to EJ characters enough "room" to try out the game and decide whether to subscribe or not but, it would be of no help on Siege and Mugen where, I would imagine, EJ free BOT Cams also might be an issue hurting subscribed layers playing there.

So, perhaps, a more comprehensive solution that would actually make it not possible to use free EJ characters as scripted BOT Cams at the exense of subscribed players, altogether, be it in Felucca or Trammel, would be preferable, to my opinion.

What about red EJ characters given that the devs are so hellbent on not allowing red players into tram or setting up town stones in fel.

So far if the devs do anything half the players are going to be pissed off. If I was to make any change it would be to remove bots some how. 

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

I have often heard the argument, that Trammel players should just go farm to no end, spawns in Trammel, to get high value items to then sell them, so as to be able to fund their 120s purchasing needs from Felucca PvPers....

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

That is, a Design ( @Kyronix ? ) that was to force Trammel players to get into a long and tedious farming for high value items in Trammel in order to then be able to "afford" the extremely high prices of needed 120s from PvPers (120s which Trammel players likely need in large numbers, for characters and pets....) risks very much to have some among these Trammel players to get "burnt out" from so much repetitive farming and, thus, get alienated from the game, no longer feeling to log in because having had enough of that repetitive farming.....

That is, to my opinion, such a Design risks losing players to the game....

Add 115s to Treasure Chests, and have players be able, still with significant effort and time to be invested in the game, but at least a reasonable one this way, to bind them into 120s.

Binding 110s into 120s is NOT a reasonable nor viable possibility, to my opinion.

popps said:

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

Oh, do they?  Let's see.  The skills that do NOT appear on scrolls from Fel Champ Spawns:

Yoshi said:

"I never once complained that EC can zoom out further than CC,

all bots are doing is the same as zooming out further to see what is going on, they literally do not do anything in game, just walk, onyl reason they are alive even is to not get ejected to shrine"

They actually "preserve" players time who can do else while the BOTs do their searching, automatedly....

And that is a hell of a HUGE advantage since, to my viewing, the biggest asset is TIME.

Thus, having BOTs do the searching is a hell of a HUGE advantage, to my opinion.

PvPers who want to look for targets, to my opinion, should go out and ACTIVELY search for them, using their own time in the game, not through automated and scripted BOTs.

drcossack said:

popps said:

Yoshi said:

“ popps, you don’t have to spend any time dealing with the bots, we ignore them.

if enemy comes in more numbers they could win champ, if they come with less numbers, just kill them. 

I don’t think champs were supposed to be solod.

It’s part of game

why does it matter if you get spotted by a bot or you get spotted by the wife?

just always be prepared.

bots will stop when town crier barks that champ is being worked same as Krampus .

People used to run bots all over land to find idocs, so they made merchant bark location.
complain about town crier not yet barking location instead of complaining about the bots.

tackle the cause of the crime”

@ Kyronix , could you please kindly make it impossible the use of Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams and add 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests ?

You want the scrolls?  Go get them.  There is nothing stopping you except yourself.

When Zipactriotl was new, I knew that the Moonstone Crystal would be a highly desirable item.  So I farmed it somewhat heavily.  I sold a few of them on LS for AT LEAST a plat.  That took A LOT less time than rolling the dice on Powerscrolls.

It's the same for Shadowguard.  I have 3 active (non-EJ) accounts.  When I farmed it heavily, did I get as many Cameos as I wanted?  No.  But I still got them and sold them - one was even an "Owned By" Demon Slayer.

For everyone that's been DEMANDING Powerscrolls in Trammel for the past 500 years, let me ask you a question.  Are you going to go out and farm them?  Considering the state of UO in 2023, you could literally farm them NOW, if you take the effort to do some research on it.  But you don't, even though it's been many years since the large pvp guilds controlled the market.

Since I know nobody is going to take the effort to farm scrolls even if they SHOULD somehow be added to Trammel, why do you keep asking for it?  Besides, y'know, just taking content away from pvp'ers...when you don't want to ****ing bother with Fel at all.  If anything, the Felucca ruleset should get MORE content; how many years has it been since the devs gave us anything?  Yet, even despite the obvious bias towards a certain playstyle, you don't hear us complaining anywhere near as often as you do.

Then, why not add, finally 115s to Treasure Chests ?

It would still require effort and time to get matching 115s to bind them into a 120, doing Spawns would still be more efficient and less time consuming.

So why not add 115s to Treasure Chests ? I see no valid arguments to oppose this change.

CovenantX said:

Yoshi said:

"okay so if poeple pay a poor China man to run around in a circle all day and message us its okay?"

  Absolutely, but you and i both know that was never a reality.

I think it was in World of Warcraft where the expression came from ?

popps said:

I have often heard the argument, that Trammel players should just go farm to no end, spawns in Trammel, to get high value items to then sell them, so as to be able to fund their 120s purchasing needs from Felucca PvPers....

You may be surprised, Felucca pvpers, do all of these activities, and far harder than Trammel players, we know what we are talking about when we suggest these ideas - we are doing them ourselves, and this is how we make our gold...

Powerscrolls, are almost us just letting our hair down, and playing the game.

popps said:

drcossack said:

popps said:

Yoshi said:

“ popps, you don’t have to spend any time dealing with the bots, we ignore them.

if enemy comes in more numbers they could win champ, if they come with less numbers, just kill them. 

I don’t think champs were supposed to be solod.

It’s part of game

why does it matter if you get spotted by a bot or you get spotted by the wife?

just always be prepared.

bots will stop when town crier barks that champ is being worked same as Krampus .

People used to run bots all over land to find idocs, so they made merchant bark location.
complain about town crier not yet barking location instead of complaining about the bots.

tackle the cause of the crime”

@ Kyronix , could you please kindly make it impossible the use of Hidden, Stealthing EJ scripted BOT Cams and add 115 Powerscrolls to Treasure Chests ?

You want the scrolls?  Go get them.  There is nothing stopping you except yourself.

When Zipactriotl was new, I knew that the Moonstone Crystal would be a highly desirable item.  So I farmed it somewhat heavily.  I sold a few of them on LS for AT LEAST a plat.  That took A LOT less time than rolling the dice on Powerscrolls.

It's the same for Shadowguard.  I have 3 active (non-EJ) accounts.  When I farmed it heavily, did I get as many Cameos as I wanted?  No.  But I still got them and sold them - one was even an "Owned By" Demon Slayer.

For everyone that's been DEMANDING Powerscrolls in Trammel for the past 500 years, let me ask you a question.  Are you going to go out and farm them?  Considering the state of UO in 2023, you could literally farm them NOW, if you take the effort to do some research on it.  But you don't, even though it's been many years since the large pvp guilds controlled the market.

Since I know nobody is going to take the effort to farm scrolls even if they SHOULD somehow be added to Trammel, why do you keep asking for it?  Besides, y'know, just taking content away from pvp'ers...when you don't want to ****ing bother with Fel at all.  If anything, the Felucca ruleset should get MORE content; how many years has it been since the devs gave us anything?  Yet, even despite the obvious bias towards a certain playstyle, you don't hear us complaining anywhere near as often as you do.

Then, why not add, finally 115s to Treasure Chests ?

It would still require effort and time to get matching 115s to bind them into a 120, doing Spawns would still be more efficient and less time consuming.

So why not add 115s to Treasure Chests ? I see no valid arguments to oppose this change.

Why not go do spawns and get your own scrolls?  You're clearly underestimating how much non-pvp content the pvp'ers in this game actually do.  Before the devs fixed some of the bugs with Shadowguard, I would run it...3x a day, I believe?  Each run took just over an hour, start to finish.  @CovenantX was one of my guildmates at the time & he brought a few chars as well.  Same when we went through the post-revamp Doom.  We also ran Zipactriotl when it was added.

drcossack said:

popps said:

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

Oh, do they?  Let's see.  The skills that do NOT appear on scrolls from Fel Champ Spawns:

Blacksmithy

Imbuing

Tailoring

Fishing

By my count, that's a pool of 33 different skills that can potentially be awarded.  Then you have the skill caps of 110, 115, and 120, with at least 6 scrolls guaranteed after every spawn.  Do you REALLY think it's easier to get 120's than it is something good from Shadowguard?  Because, to be perfectly honest, it isn't.

Total agreement better odds of a cameo than the specific ps you're after 

Cookie said:

CovenantX said:

Yoshi said:

"okay so if poeple pay a poor China man to run around in a circle all day and message us its okay?"

  Absolutely, but you and i both know that was never a reality.

I think it was in World of Warcraft where the expression came from ?

drcossack said:

Why not go do spawns and get your own scrolls?  You're clearly underestimating how much non-pvp content the pvp'ers in this game actually do.  Before the devs fixed some of the bugs with Shadowguard, I would run it...3x a day, I believe?  Each run took just over an hour, start to finish.  @ CovenantX was one of my guildmates at the time & he brought a few chars as well.  Same when we went through the post-revamp Doom.  We also ran Zipactriotl when it was added.

popps said:

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

I have often heard the argument, that Trammel players should just go farm to no end, spawns in Trammel, to get high value items to then sell them, so as to be able to fund their 120s purchasing needs from Felucca PvPers....

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

That is, a Design ( @ Kyronix ? ) that was to force Trammel players to get into a long and tedious farming for high value items in Trammel in order to then be able to "afford" the extremely high prices of needed 120s from PvPers (120s which Trammel players likely need in large numbers, for characters and pets....) risks very much to have some among these Trammel players to get "burnt out" from so much repetitive farming and, thus, get alienated from the game, no longer feeling to log in because having had enough of that repetitive farming.....

That is, to my opinion, such a Design risks losing players to the game....

Add 115s to Treasure Chests, and have players be able, still with significant effort and time to be invested in the game, but at least a reasonable one this way, to bind them into 120s.

Binding 110s into 120s is NOT a reasonable nor viable possibility, to my opinion.

We've been at this discussion for decades nothing has changed except pvpers have just taken to earning thier own cameo and other tram rewards while trammies have gotten no better at spawns 

Grimbeard said:

We've been at this discussion for decades nothing has changed except pvpers have just taken to earning thier own cameo and other tram rewards while trammies have gotten no better at spawns 

Grimbeard said:

We've been at this discussion for decades nothing has changed except pvpers have just taken to earning thier own cameo and other tram rewards while trammies have gotten no better at spawns 

That's because we approach the game differently and with different mindsets. Pvpers look at the mechanics of the game, break them down and play around them, trammies largely look at the monsters in the game, put on their biggest slayer, and AI until it dies without any further thought to it. There are very few exceptions to that generalization, for example the CAH members are some of the only trammies I've ever met who actually work around the mechanics of the game instead of being mindless drones.

CovenantX said:

Grimbeard said:

We've been at this discussion for decades nothing has changed except pvpers have just taken to earning thier own cameo and other tram rewards while trammies have gotten no better at spawns 

   take the time to learn pvp like literally every fel player has done.

  It's not that you can't it's that you don't want to.

I didn't say me i do spawns fine

“Go to Luna mint, there are 20 people afk. You going to ban all them?

if you plot a course on a map and give it to the tillerman, you’re not allowed to go afk on the boat? Your char is moving along a plotted course afk…

Yoshi said:

"also, remove player owned vendor NPCs completely, they are logged in all day and sell items for owners.

they are bots no?

make player spend their time selling their stuff......"

Nice try, but that is apples and oranges, me thinks...

The players using hidden, stealthing free EJ BOT Cams are only able to do it because they use unauthorized, to my understanding illegal (against the TOS) Third Party utilities which permit them to run very complex scripts AND send notices to Discord Channels for players to see and Raid spawns ....

Hardly something in respect of the Ultima Online TOS, to my understanding....

gay said:

popps said:

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

I have often heard the argument, that Trammel players should just go farm to no end, spawns in Trammel, to get high value items to then sell them, so as to be able to fund their 120s purchasing needs from Felucca PvPers....

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

That is, a Design ( @ Kyronix ? ) that was to force Trammel players to get into a long and tedious farming for high value items in Trammel in order to then be able to "afford" the extremely high prices of needed 120s from PvPers (120s which Trammel players likely need in large numbers, for characters and pets....) risks very much to have some among these Trammel players to get "burnt out" from so much repetitive farming and, thus, get alienated from the game, no longer feeling to log in because having had enough of that repetitive farming.....

That is, to my opinion, such a Design risks losing players to the game....

Add 115s to Treasure Chests, and have players be able, still with significant effort and time to be invested in the game, but at least a reasonable one this way, to bind them into 120s.

Binding 110s into 120s is NOT a reasonable nor viable possibility, to my opinion.

How isn't it? If you're doing spawns in trammel, you don't deserve to have the high end scroll drops because you are taking no risk. If you want the high value scrolls then you either run the risk of having your spawn contested, or you choose to take an alternatively longer route of binding scrolls. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

Ultimately your problem isn't that 120s don't drop in trammel. Your problem is that atl has five different guilds that use bots to scout spawns on atl, and on every other American shard there is a guild that uses bots to scout spawns that runs all day, every single day, they have Japanese player who runs them during JST and an American player who runs them during MST. This leaves little chance for legitimate players to actually do any spawns without being caught and raided, and if you're unable to contest with a PK guild who will bring 10-20 people to raid a spawn then you're at a disadvantage.

What you're asking the devs to do is to further cater to the botters and change the game around the way that they bot, instead of hiring GMs with more than three braincells remaining that are capable of actioning these super obvious bots.

It has always been the design of this game to have a risk for reward based participation model, it's why felucca still exists. You cannot have your cake, and eat it too.

Also what are these "high prices" you speak of?

120 Resisting Spells, 60m

120 Tactics 80m

120 Anatomy 25m

120 Parry 70m

120 Wrestling 20m

120 Focus 20m

120 Med 20m

Scrolls are currently at the lowest cost since the taming changes happened, personally I wouldn't even consider farming them at all for those values.

Things that are easier to get that have higher values and are trammel only: Despicable Quiver, Slither, Jewelry from UWB.

And as far as "high value items from trammel" go. Every high end, multi plat splintering bokuto, no dachi, and wakizashi you see in game came from Fan Dancer Dojo (Onis and Fan Dancers) or Yomatsu MInes (Yomatsu Elders), both trammel dungeons. The majority of every other splintering weapon came from the same place as a byproduct of farming for those specific samurai empire weapons. Szavetra in sanctuary and Lurg in Painted Caves are sustained sources of legendary armor, jewels, and weapons with original + ML loottables, and are only farmed because they get extra luck being in felucca, and throw away EJ armies of 10 chrs which cost about 500m to make can put on cheap luck suits and farm for 1-2 weeks before being banned, easily making that 500m investment back.

 If you want the high value scrolls then you either run the risk of having your spawn contested, or you choose to take an alternatively longer route of binding scrolls. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

Yes, but wanting players to bind 110s into 120s off of Treasure Chests is, to my opinion, an unreasonable proposition.... in order to gather from Treasure chests 120 "matching" 110s which are needed to bind a 120, not only a lot more of 120 Treasure Maps would need to be gathered, chests locations found, Guardians fought, but this would take an enormous investment of time.

So much enormous, that it makes it a futile and impossible task.

Different it would be, if Treasure Chests were to be made possible to also spawn 115 powerscrolls..... then, while binding "matching" 115s into 120s would still take a significant effort and investment of time, at least , it would become more reasonable as doing it off of 110s which is basically an impossible task, way too much time consuming...

Those players wanting 120s faster could still do Champion Spawns but at least, those players unable to do Champion Spawns could still have a reasonably feasible alternate way to earn on their own 120s through the binding of 115s.

Also what are these "high prices" you speak of?
120 Resisting Spells, 60m
120 Tactics 80m
120 Anatomy 25m
120 Parry 70m
120 Wrestling 20m
120 Focus 20m
120 Med 20m

Or you can spend 15-30 mins per spawn trying to get the 120's you want. your call. 

120's should be on a tree in trammel that when you reach a certain point system reward you can pick one OF YOUR CHOICE! stops the RMTS, stops the smack talk in fel, win win

“If they are smack talking you in gen chat
and raiding your spawn

they are probably not afk…”

@popps you fail to understand it might take 25 spawns for you to get that 120 tactics also a huge investment in time with a much higher risk than treasure hunting 

CovenantX said:

   take the time to learn pvp like literally every fel player has done.

  It's not that you can't it's that you don't want to.

gay said:

 for example the CAH members are some of the only trammies I've ever met who actually work around the mechanics of the game instead of being mindless drones.

These are two perfect examples of what's so frustrating about some of you. You think you're these big tough Feluccians and the rest of us are wimpy Trammies with weak mindsets. Or we're lazy Trammies looking for an easy button. Seriously, @$#% all the way off.

Covenant, get lost with your trammies don't want to learn to pvp. And you too, gay, with your 'mindless drone' BS.

You don't know the people you're trashing. You have no idea what their history with the game is. And you don't have some deep insight into the psychological profiles of the "Trammie" player.

I'm sure I'm not the only one left who was talking to developers on the old Crossroads message boards before the game even went gold. And I'm not the only player left who started playing during beta testing. And not the only one left who...

Had to cover everything in their backpack with a pile of death robes to keep reags, weapons and housekeys from being stolen.

Had reds (a group of course, not one on one) routinely camp outside your house, trying over and over again, to kill you for your key.

Had their housekey finally stolen after getting gang-ganked at the front door, ending with their house ransacked and looted. This did not happen to me. But it did happen to many.

Had reds come and kill you repeatedly on the porch of your classic forge while you worked your blacksmithing skill. Or when you were trying to decorate with holiday art, mostly homemade. And not because they could loot anything after their mass ebolting, but just for fun.

Had to deal with cheaters pretty much right from the start. And not a small cheat. I'm talking about groups being able to recall into a dungeon and lock everyone up in freezing lag. When you could finally move again you woke up dead and looted and not a red in sight. It took devs awhile on this one. They couldn't figure it out at first. I still don't know what voodoo was used to make it happen. I remember something about 'pinging the server' repeatedly, locked everyone up, except themselves, I guess. Black magic for sure. It sucked, that much I know.

Had to fight and die over and over again, trying to hang on to ore and ingots being gathered.

Had to endlessly deal with players for whom the harassment and griefing of others was the fun bit for them.

This list could go on and on and on. My real point is, I had a butt ton of fun regardless. I'm not saying I didn't often hate these things happening to me. I did; it was often very frustrating. Particularly when you had x-amount of time to play and you wanted to get something accomplished but pvpers had other plans. Sometimes it was enough to make you cry! lol But sometimes that was a big part of the fun too. And nothing from the list above is what made me leave UO. What made me leave was when they split the world in two.

I wanted a different solution to dealing with a long list of things that were driving players away from UO. I hated what the split did to the player population. More than that I hated how it changed gameplay. Very particularly I hated how, if you wanted to live without some of the things from the bummer list, you had to go live where a push-through code was added that completely took the challenge out of PvE. Something about how...well, if we don't let you push through everything there'll be players who'll keep griefing by blocking egress with crates and blah blah. Boooooo!

But the real capper for me was, and maybe this does speak to my psychological makeup, I couldn't take what had happened to the Felucca landscape. I really was so sad to see the trees die. That seemed like such a wicked punishment that wasn't deserved for those that wanted to stay in Felucca. So, I quit.

When I came back years later, I did return to Felucca but kept an eye open for a particular area in Trammel to open up. I wanted to live in a green UO landscape again. 

You guys don't know me or other players living in Trammel like you think you do. We're a long way down the road now with many changes and additions to UO having come along. Like I said before, I'm really no fan of power scrolls. And it's not that I don't agree with idea that concentrating on gameplay instead of complaining is often very good advice. 

That said, sometimes it's not a bad thing to be a squeaky wheel. I think how difficult and expensive it is to acquire power scrolls for your pets or for avatars with skillsets you've yet to explore. Or if you're just trying to effectively take part in PvE, PvM and the limited time events that come along, can be very frustrating.

I think there's a big disconnect between players, like me, who for many weeks might not log in for anything other than refreshing ships, and players who play UO almost every day. Often for a large number of hours.

I mean, telling someone all they need to do, in order to get power scrolls, is take the time to make 7xs GM's on multiple shards. So, they can take part in all the EM events. So, they can sell their prizes for lots of gold. So, they can go buy their wanted PS's, is pretty funny! And a huge disconnect from a player that just told you they can't devote that kind of time to UO. 

I chimed in because, yeah, I think a change should come to getting these scrolls. I think the system for binding scrolls could be called broken, if it sucks so bad no one bothers to use it. Seems like it could use a tweak. Or something altogether new should be added. A time sink, an additional method of cooperative play that doesn't include bots and pkers. I don't care.

One thing I know for sure. If, for a myriad of valid reasons, a change does come, I'm not going to worry one bit about hurting the feelings of pvpers who want to keep complete control of most of the scrolls and want to call me, or anyone else, weak minded, lazy and selfish, because we think it's time for a change. 

edited for typo

Lot in that post, I'm not going to focus on all of it, just pick out what I believe is the main source of your frustration.

If you are only logging in once, every few weeks, you are going to find it hard. End of story. Do you think the game should be revolved around you, and give you free and easy powerscrolls? How is that going to effect everyone else, and the game itself?
You see, when you get down to it, this is basically what you are asking for. You may be asking for it for all the right reasons - "You can play 1 hour a month, how can you make this easier for me?" - but really, should the game be catering for you? Can it cater to that playstyle? So basically, we are right, from our perspective, you are asking for it to be made a lot easier - what will this do to the rest of us, if we log in for 1 hour a month, achieve everything, then have nothing else to do?

I've got no issues the game trying to cater for your playstyle in certain areas, but is powerscrolls the place to do it?

LilyGrace said:I think there's a big disconnect between players, like me, who for many weeks might not log in for anything other than refreshing ships, and players who play UO almost every day. Often for a large number of hours.

LilyGrace said:

CovenantX said:

   take the time to learn pvp like literally every fel player has done.

  It's not that you can't it's that you don't want to.

gay said:

 for example the CAH members are some of the only trammies I've ever met who actually work around the mechanics of the game instead of being mindless drones.

These are two perfect examples of what's so frustrating about some of you. You think you're these big tough Feluccians and the rest of us are wimpy Trammies with weak mindsets. Or we're lazy Trammies looking for an easy button. Seriously, @ $#% all the way off.

Covenant, get lost with your trammies don't want to learn to pvp. And you too, gay, with your 'mindless drone' BS.

You don't know the people you're trashing. You have no idea what their history with the game is. And you don't have some deep insight into the psychological profiles of the "Trammie" player.

I'm sure I'm not the only one left who was talking to developers on the old Crossroads message boards before the game even went gold. And I'm not the only player left who started playing during beta testing. And not the only one left who...

Had to cover everything in their backpack with a pile of death robes to keep reags, weapons and housekeys from being stolen.

Had reds (a group of course, not one on one) routinely camp outside your house, trying over and over again, to kill you for your key.

Had their housekey finally stolen after getting gang-ganked at the front door, ending with their house ransacked and looted. This did not happen to me. But it did happen to many.

Had reds come and kill you repeatedly on the porch of your classic forge while you worked your blacksmithing skill. Or when you were trying to decorate with holiday art, mostly homemade. And not because they could loot anything after their mass ebolting, but just for fun.

Had to deal with cheaters pretty much right from the start. And not a small cheat. I'm talking about groups being able to recall into a dungeon and lock everyone up in freezing lag. When you could finally move again you woke up dead and looted and not a red in sight. It took devs awhile on this one. They couldn't figure it out at first. I still don't know what voodoo was used to make it happen. I remember something about 'pinging the server' repeatedly, locked everyone up, except themselves, I guess. Black magic for sure. It sucked, that much I know.

Had to fight and die over and over again, trying to hang on to ore and ingots being gathered.

Had to endlessly deal with players for whom the harassment and griefing of others was the fun bit for them.

This list could go on and on and on. My real point is, I had a butt ton of fun regardless. I'm not saying I didn't often hate these things happening to me. I did; it was often very frustrating. Particularly when you had x-amount of time to play and you wanted to get something accomplished but pvpers had other plans. Sometimes it was enough to make you cry! lol But sometimes that was a big part of the fun too. And nothing from the list above is what made me leave UO. What made me leave was when they split the world in two.

I wanted a different solution to dealing with a long list of things that were driving players away from UO. I hated what the split did to the player population. More than that I hated how it changed gameplay. Very particularly I hated how, if you wanted to live without some of the things from the bummer list, you had to go live where a push-through code was added that completely took the challenge out of PvE. Something about how...well, if we don't let you push through everything there'll be players who'll keep griefing by blocking egress with crates and blah blah. Boooooo!

But the real capper for me was, and maybe this does speak to my psychological makeup, I couldn't take what had happened to the Felucca landscape. I really was so sad to see the trees die. That seemed like such a wicked punishment that wasn't deserved for those that wanted to stay in Felucca. So, I quit.

When I came back years later, I did return to Felucca but kept an eye open for a particular area in Trammel to open up. I wanted to live in a green UO landscape again. 

You guys don't know me or other players living in Trammel like you think you do. We're a long way down the road now with many changes and additions to UO having come along. Like I said before, I'm really no fan of power scrolls. And it's not that I don't agree with idea that concentrating on gameplay instead of complaining is often very good advice. 

That said, sometimes it's not a bad thing to be a squeaky wheel. I think how difficult and expensive it is to acquire power scrolls for your pets or for avatars with skillsets you've yet to explore. Or if you're just trying to effectively take part in PvE, PvM and the limited time events that come along, can be very frustrating.

I think there's a big disconnect between players, like me, who for many weeks might not log in for anything other than refreshing ships, and players who play UO almost every day. Often for a large number of hours.

I mean, telling someone all they need to do, in order to get power scrolls, is take the time to make 7xs GM's on multiple shards. So, they can take part in all the EM events. So, they can sell their prizes for lots of gold. So, they can go buy their wanted PS's, is pretty funny! And a huge disconnect from a player that just told you they can't devote that kind of time to UO. 

I chimed in because, yeah, I think a change should come to getting these scrolls. I think the system for binding scrolls could be called broken, if it sucks so bad no one bothers to use it. Seems like it could use a tweak. Or something altogether new should be added. A time sink, an additional method of cooperative play that doesn't include bots and pkers. I don't care.

One thing I know for sure. If, for a myriad of valid reasons, a change does come, I'm not going to worry one bit about hurting the feelings of pvpers who want to keep complete control of most of the scrolls and want to call me, or anyone else, weak minded, lazy and selfish, because we think it's time for a change. 

edited for typo

To try and think about it differently for you.

Join one of the Felucca guilds, who hunt the powerscrolls, it is usually a team affair, it is not about holding or controlling as you portray it. Yes, for sure, we are prepared to fight, raid or defend for what we earn as such.
As you interact, and get to know players, make friends, and "trade" socially, it is highly likely you will be given whatever powerscrolls you need, if for personal use.

Don't be trying to play a team game, solo, from Trammel, with no community help, you are making it hard for yourself. Then from such a position of weakness, you are asking for the whole game to be made easier, to suit your playstyle of say 1 hour per month.

Yes, I play this game around the clock, it is integrated into my life, I talk to my guild in Discord the whole time, yet still somehow, I manage to have a life 🙂

popps said:

gay said:

popps said:

gay said:

If you think that your inability to get powerscrolls for free or free from harassment should be directly tied to your subscription, you're wrong. As you said it yourself, you're a tamer and as a tamer you have PLENTY of ways to fund the cost of paying for scrolls, especially right now as they're at an all time low currently.

I'm somewhat tempted to do a sort of "zero to hero" tamer thing, as there are a plethora of activities a tamer can do to generate wealth that doesn't require their pets to be scrolled to 120.

Just things off the top of my head are:

• Farming cu sidhes, or other different hued spawning mobs that have a wide range of stats and skills.
• Medusa, slither and +15 mystic staff
  
• Lady Mel, hair dyes and crimsons
  
• Travesty, travesty masks
  
• Plunderbeacons, tritons
  
• Not doing tmaps

You pay a subscription to have a normal bank, a house, access to vendor search text search, and for whatever means of enjoyment you receive from the game. If you don't enjoy activities that generate the wealth that would allow you to buy scrolls, then adventure out and do the spawns yourself. If you don't enjoy the thought of getting raided, then do the spawns in Ilshenar and bind the scrolls. If you don't enjoy any of that, then that really is just your problem, and you should sort it out yourself because the alternative options are already there.

I have often heard the argument, that Trammel players should just go farm to no end, spawns in Trammel, to get high value items to then sell them, so as to be able to fund their 120s purchasing needs from Felucca PvPers....

Too bad, though, that, as players know, items from Trammel which have a high value, for example Cameos, Slithers and so forth, have way, but way lower chances to show up as compared to 120s at Champion Spawns.

That is, a Design ( @ Kyronix ? ) that was to force Trammel players to get into a long and tedious farming for high value items in Trammel in order to then be able to "afford" the extremely high prices of needed 120s from PvPers (120s which Trammel players likely need in large numbers, for characters and pets....) risks very much to have some among these Trammel players to get "burnt out" from so much repetitive farming and, thus, get alienated from the game, no longer feeling to log in because having had enough of that repetitive farming.....

That is, to my opinion, such a Design risks losing players to the game....

Add 115s to Treasure Chests, and have players be able, still with significant effort and time to be invested in the game, but at least a reasonable one this way, to bind them into 120s.

Binding 110s into 120s is NOT a reasonable nor viable possibility, to my opinion.

How isn't it? If you're doing spawns in trammel, you don't deserve to have the high end scroll drops because you are taking no risk. If you want the high value scrolls then you either run the risk of having your spawn contested, or you choose to take an alternatively longer route of binding scrolls. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

Ultimately your problem isn't that 120s don't drop in trammel. Your problem is that atl has five different guilds that use bots to scout spawns on atl, and on every other American shard there is a guild that uses bots to scout spawns that runs all day, every single day, they have Japanese player who runs them during JST and an American player who runs them during MST. This leaves little chance for legitimate players to actually do any spawns without being caught and raided, and if you're unable to contest with a PK guild who will bring 10-20 people to raid a spawn then you're at a disadvantage.

What you're asking the devs to do is to further cater to the botters and change the game around the way that they bot, instead of hiring GMs with more than three braincells remaining that are capable of actioning these super obvious bots.

It has always been the design of this game to have a risk for reward based participation model, it's why felucca still exists. You cannot have your cake, and eat it too.

Also what are these "high prices" you speak of?

120 Resisting Spells, 60m

120 Tactics 80m

120 Anatomy 25m

120 Parry 70m

120 Wrestling 20m

120 Focus 20m

120 Med 20m

Scrolls are currently at the lowest cost since the taming changes happened, personally I wouldn't even consider farming them at all for those values.

Things that are easier to get that have higher values and are trammel only: Despicable Quiver, Slither, Jewelry from UWB.

And as far as "high value items from trammel" go. Every high end, multi plat splintering bokuto, no dachi, and wakizashi you see in game came from Fan Dancer Dojo (Onis and Fan Dancers) or Yomatsu MInes (Yomatsu Elders), both trammel dungeons. The majority of every other splintering weapon came from the same place as a byproduct of farming for those specific samurai empire weapons. Szavetra in sanctuary and Lurg in Painted Caves are sustained sources of legendary armor, jewels, and weapons with original + ML loottables, and are only farmed because they get extra luck being in felucca, and throw away EJ armies of 10 chrs which cost about 500m to make can put on cheap luck suits and farm for 1-2 weeks before being banned, easily making that 500m investment back.

 If you want the high value scrolls then you either run the risk of having your spawn contested, or you choose to take an alternatively longer route of binding scrolls. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

Yes, but wanting players to bind 110s into 120s off of Treasure Chests is, to my opinion, an unreasonable proposition.... in order to gather from Treasure chests 120 "matching" 110s which are needed to bind a 120, not only a lot more of 120 Treasure Maps would need to be gathered, chests locations found, Guardians fought, but this would take an enormous investment of time.

So much enormous, that it makes it a futile and impossible task.

Different it would be, if Treasure Chests were to be made possible to also spawn 115 powerscrolls..... then, while binding "matching" 115s into 120s would still take a significant effort and investment of time, at least , it would become more reasonable as doing it off of 110s which is basically an impossible task, way too much time consuming...

Those players wanting 120s faster could still do Champion Spawns but at least, those players unable to do Champion Spawns could still have a reasonably feasible alternate way to earn on their own 120s through the binding of 115s.

Also what are these "high prices" you speak of?
120 Resisting Spells, 60m
120 Tactics 80m
120 Anatomy 25m
120 Parry 70m
120 Wrestling 20m
120 Focus 20m
120 Med 20m

Some might not consider those prices as high, I guess it all depends on the ingame wealth of the player....regardless though, the real issue usually is, especially for players having Tamers, that players need "multiples" of those 120s.... not just one of each, but several, sometimes many of each.... so, those costs eventually add up and can easily become hundreds of millions of ingame gold...

LilyGrace said:

CovenantX said:

   take the time to learn pvp like literally every fel player has done.

  It's not that you can't it's that you don't want to.

gay said:

 for example the CAH members are some of the only trammies I've ever met who actually work around the mechanics of the game instead of being mindless drones.

These are two perfect examples of what's so frustrating about some of you. You think you're these big tough Feluccians and the rest of us are wimpy Trammies with weak mindsets. Or we're lazy Trammies looking for an easy button. Seriously, @ $#% all the way off.

Covenant, get lost with your trammies don't want to learn to pvp. And you too, gay, with your 'mindless drone' BS.

You don't know the people you're trashing. You have no idea what their history with the game is. And you don't have some deep insight into the psychological profiles of the "Trammie" player.

I'm sure I'm not the only one left who was talking to developers on the old Crossroads message boards before the game even went gold. And I'm not the only player left who started playing during beta testing. And not the only one left who...

Had to cover everything in their backpack with a pile of death robes to keep reags, weapons and housekeys from being stolen.

Had reds (a group of course, not one on one) routinely camp outside your house, trying over and over again, to kill you for your key.

Had their housekey finally stolen after getting gang-ganked at the front door, ending with their house ransacked and looted. This did not happen to me. But it did happen to many.

Had reds come and kill you repeatedly on the porch of your classic forge while you worked your blacksmithing skill. Or when you were trying to decorate with holiday art, mostly homemade. And not because they could loot anything after their mass ebolting, but just for fun.

Had to deal with cheaters pretty much right from the start. And not a small cheat. I'm talking about groups being able to recall into a dungeon and lock everyone up in freezing lag. When you could finally move again you woke up dead and looted and not a red in sight. It took devs awhile on this one. They couldn't figure it out at first. I still don't know what voodoo was used to make it happen. I remember something about 'pinging the server' repeatedly, locked everyone up, except themselves, I guess. Black magic for sure. It sucked, that much I know.

Had to fight and die over and over again, trying to hang on to ore and ingots being gathered.

Had to endlessly deal with players for whom the harassment and griefing of others was the fun bit for them.

This list could go on and on and on. My real point is, I had a butt ton of fun regardless. I'm not saying I didn't often hate these things happening to me. I did; it was often very frustrating. Particularly when you had x-amount of time to play and you wanted to get something accomplished but pvpers had other plans. Sometimes it was enough to make you cry! lol But sometimes that was a big part of the fun too. And nothing from the list above is what made me leave UO. What made me leave was when they split the world in two.

I wanted a different solution to dealing with a long list of things that were driving players away from UO. I hated what the split did to the player population. More than that I hated how it changed gameplay. Very particularly I hated how, if you wanted to live without some of the things from the bummer list, you had to go live where a push-through code was added that completely took the challenge out of PvE. Something about how...well, if we don't let you push through everything there'll be players who'll keep griefing by blocking egress with crates and blah blah. Boooooo!

But the real capper for me was, and maybe this does speak to my psychological makeup, I couldn't take what had happened to the Felucca landscape. I really was so sad to see the trees die. That seemed like such a wicked punishment that wasn't deserved for those that wanted to stay in Felucca. So, I quit.

When I came back years later, I did return to Felucca but kept an eye open for a particular area in Trammel to open up. I wanted to live in a green UO landscape again. 

You guys don't know me or other players living in Trammel like you think you do. We're a long way down the road now with many changes and additions to UO having come along. Like I said before, I'm really no fan of power scrolls. And it's not that I don't agree with idea that concentrating on gameplay instead of complaining is often very good advice. 

That said, sometimes it's not a bad thing to be a squeaky wheel. I think how difficult and expensive it is to acquire power scrolls for your pets or for avatars with skillsets you've yet to explore. Or if you're just trying to effectively take part in PvE, PvM and the limited time events that come along, can be very frustrating.

I think there's a big disconnect between players, like me, who for many weeks might not log in for anything other than refreshing ships, and players who play UO almost every day. Often for a large number of hours.

I mean, telling someone all they need to do, in order to get power scrolls, is take the time to make 7xs GM's on multiple shards. So, they can take part in all the EM events. So, they can sell their prizes for lots of gold. So, they can go buy their wanted PS's, is pretty funny! And a huge disconnect from a player that just told you they can't devote that kind of time to UO. 

I chimed in because, yeah, I think a change should come to getting these scrolls. I think the system for binding scrolls could be called broken, if it sucks so bad no one bothers to use it. Seems like it could use a tweak. Or something altogether new should be added. A time sink, an additional method of cooperative play that doesn't include bots and pkers. I don't care.

One thing I know for sure. If, for a myriad of valid reasons, a change does come, I'm not going to worry one bit about hurting the feelings of pvpers who want to keep complete control of most of the scrolls and want to call me, or anyone else, weak minded, lazy and selfish, because we think it's time for a change. 

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Time for everyone to take a step back, count to ten and take a deep breath.