Multi boxing ??

Report the GM and his/her/they /them actions to the higher ups.  As described this sounds like an abuse of power.

Lord_Frodo said:

Report the GM and his/her/they /them actions to the higher ups.  As described this sounds like an abuse of power.

Who you really think they're going to believe? I don't think the gm is required to provide video proof of tos violations, but that would be a great idea for the future. 

Either way, EJ accounts are considered throwaway accounts for a reason. You have minimal gold invested so it shouldn't be that great of a loss to justify trashing all your paid stuff. lol

A direct result of all the threads here about bots.

Like I keep saying these "bots" are players sitting at their gaming stations.

Seems the UO employees are doing what we ask.

We shall now call you Garth Bot.

Don't rage quit mate you will regret it.  Email Mesanna let her get to the bottom of it.  Like many of us you have invested far too much time and money to finish this way.  Wait for her to assist you 

I assume you had to buy high seas for them to work. Hopefully she sees you are on EC client.  Send her screenshots this should  all be sorted out.  Show a screenshot if the macro u created if they were doing something.  The fact you spoke to the fm will surely be recorded in a journal somewhere at their end 

Yoshi said:

"what exactly were the EJ accounts doing?

like, what were you using them for?

i can see how it would look fishy

normally when people play, they don't log in multiple EJ accounts too with them"

I had paid the High Seas upgrade for all of them. I was collecting orc ship parts which I've done for years. You only have to do minimal damage to the pirate in order to get an ammo/ship part drop. My main tamer actually kills the dread, the others just collect their rewards for participating, or they did.

“okay but I don’t think that is what EJ accounts are supposed to be used for.
I could be wrong”

I've been thinking about the incident more, and while nothing was 3rd party anything, I think what happened was I didn't use the correct GM Talk key, which I couldn't remember so I simply spoke out loud, hell I even alt/tabbed each of my guys and stood them side by side in Jail and spoke on all of them as quickly as i could, but the GM never responded to anything I was saying. It's a tough pill to swallow because not only am I out the cost of High Seas on each account, but they were also somewhat scrolled which cost me a fortune, their skills were almost identical except for some Spirit Speak that a couple still had from when I started them, always start new char's with Necro skills, don't ask me why. Anyway I had also just 1 week ago activated 2 of my EJ accounts  because I got tired of them not being able to log out at my house. 3 of the banned accounts were old ones I had paid for for years and let them slip into EJ status... Anyway.....back to real life lol.

Garth_Grey said:

I've been thinking about the incident more, and while nothing was 3rd party anything, I think what happened was I didn't use the correct GM Talk key, which I couldn't remember so I simply spoke out loud, hell I even alt/tabbed each of my guys and stood them side by side in Jail and spoke on all of them as quickly as i could, but the GM never responded to anything I was saying. It's a tough pill to swallow because not only am I out the cost of High Seas on each account, but they were also somewhat scrolled which cost me a fortune, their skills were almost identical except for some Spirit Speak that a couple still had from when I started them, always start new char's with Necro skills, don't ask me why. Anyway I had also just 1 week ago activated 2 of my EJ accounts  because I got tired of them not being able to log out at my house. 3 of the banned accounts were old ones I had paid for for years and let them slip into EJ status... Anyway.....back to real life lol.

I not 100% certain but I don't think that there is any requirement to use the [chat feature to respond to a GM. As 90% of the time they are already there in person but hidden. Any in game attempt to speak with them would be sufficient, and even if they weren't there, they would have to move themselves to you if you didn't respond to their remote chat, that way they can observe what you're doing, again meaning basic in game speech is sufficient. I mean what if that key is broken on your keyboard? Given the fact that GMs are given the same exact responses by botters every single day ("hello i am using virtual keyboard pls give me a couple minutes to plug in my real keyboard to respond" is the most used message bots running on a certain package give when a GM shows up, disregard the fact that those characters are simultaneously casting spells, looping specials, attacking the same mob, xhealing, looting and insuring all at the same time... somehow a GM doesn't notice that and thinks the person really thinks they're being played on a virtual keyboard with a mouse only.), that should be a more than viable reason to not reply via the red text.

gay said:

Garth_Grey said:

I've been thinking about the incident more, and while nothing was 3rd party anything, I think what happened was I didn't use the correct GM Talk key, which I couldn't remember so I simply spoke out loud, hell I even alt/tabbed each of my guys and stood them side by side in Jail and spoke on all of them as quickly as i could, but the GM never responded to anything I was saying. It's a tough pill to swallow because not only am I out the cost of High Seas on each account, but they were also somewhat scrolled which cost me a fortune, their skills were almost identical except for some Spirit Speak that a couple still had from when I started them, always start new char's with Necro skills, don't ask me why. Anyway I had also just 1 week ago activated 2 of my EJ accounts  because I got tired of them not being able to log out at my house. 3 of the banned accounts were old ones I had paid for for years and let them slip into EJ status... Anyway.....back to real life lol.

I not 100% certain but I don't think that there is any requirement to use the [chat feature to respond to a GM. As 90% of the time they are already there in person but hidden. Any in game attempt to speak with them would be sufficient, and even if they weren't there, they would have to move themselves to you if you didn't respond to their remote chat, that way they can observe what you're doing, again meaning basic in game speech is sufficient. I mean what if that key is broken on your keyboard? Given the fact that GMs are given the same exact responses by botters every single day ("hello i am using virtual keyboard pls give me a couple minutes to plug in my real keyboard to respond" is the most used message bots running on a certain package give when a GM shows up, disregard the fact that those characters are simultaneously casting spells, looping specials, attacking the same mob, xhealing, looting and insuring all at the same time... somehow a GM doesn't notice that and thinks the person really thinks they're being played on a virtual keyboard with a mouse only.), that should be a more than viable reason to not reply via the red text.

Yep, they can see anything you type. I have had more than one tell me that.

This post is ridiculous. You did not get banned for doing nothing else everyone in Luna/Britain banks would be banned. Emailing Mesanna won't help. I'd imagine in this scenario since you were multiboxing they have no reason to open a chat with you, cause uh, you're already clearly doing something illegal:
"Hey duper, please respond to me with [." ....  "Oh you're there, ok you're free to dupe"
Doesn't make sense.

Garth_Grey said:
but I don't multi box as I'm playing on the Enhanced client

That's the cutest thing I've ever heard.
Appeal it but it sounds like you were multiboxing so I wish you luck.
As we'll never get the full story from the OP I urge everyone to just ignore this post and @Mariah to close it.

EJs were a mistake.

Also boohoo you lost a few EJ accounts, move on.

EJs were a mistake.

"its not certain he was doing anything illegal, only immoral"

Yoshi said:

"its not certain he was doing anything illegal, only immoral"

 And how exactly is legally multi clienting immoral?  

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Report the GM and his/her/they /them actions to the higher ups.  As described this sounds like an abuse of power.

Who you really think they're going to believe? I don't think the gm is required to provide video proof of tos violations, but that would be a great idea for the future. 

Either way, EJ accounts are considered throwaway accounts for a reason. You have minimal gold invested so it shouldn't be that great of a loss to justify trashing all your paid stuff. lol

They look at the data which is recorded no matter who you are.  I guess you think GMs are so power that they can erase their data in the system.  Seriously how do you think they do system back ups every day.  A video, LOL, this whole game is nothing but a video.

@Yoshi is on the right track, EJ accounts were not intended to be used to supplement paid accounts getting more rewards from an encounter.

The OP may have stated his reason and the GM declared it not within game mechanics.

The intent of EJ accounts is for new or returning players to play for free.  Not for paid accounts to gain more rewards.

@Kyronix
The way to fix this is:

EJ accounts should not get any pack drops, They get a message saying. You would have earned a reward if you were using a subscribed account.

EJ accounts should not get any special drops on a Mob Corpse.  IE: Drops from Scalis, Champ, Peerless, etc like the Soulforge, etc, Again they would get a system message saying the above.

They should be able to get a feel for gameplay but no special rewards.

I assume they did it well in the last dungeon event where things were account bound to them, but I think they should just get a message that encourages them to subscribe when they would get something special.

You can tell that I have never used an EJ account.

PS a cool message would be,  HA HA you would have been given a 120 Tactics scroll just now if you were on a subscribed account!

I would have never thought to use an EJ account in the first place let alone use an EJ account to get multiple rewards. 

Is it that players that simultaneously use EJ accounts are violating the TOS because the use of multiple accounts by one person to get more rewards creates an unfair advantage?

Sorry to see you go Garth.

We haven't always agreed, but it's always been a pleasure having you around.

Fair winds and following seas.

Lord_Frodo said:

They look at the data which is recorded no matter who you are.  I guess you think GMs are so power that they can erase their data in the system.  Seriously how do you think they do system back ups every day.  A video, LOL, this whole game is nothing but a video.

Idk what they can or can't do. Do you?

Yoshi said:

"very often people come here to complain about people creating many EJ accounts and bringing them to event to get reward, abusing EJ account to get more orc ship reward is same thing no?"

“Hmm, the treasures of the fey event or whatever in destard I think you could get rewards as EJ and everyone complained,
and if you could get EM reward with EJ, people would complain, 
is my point”

Yoshi said:

"very often people come here to complain about people creating many EJ accounts and bringing them to event to get reward, abusing EJ account to get more orc ship reward is same thing no?"

Rather then blaming player who try to make the time they have to spend in the game to get anything more reasonable by using more characters, subscribed or EJ that they might be, let us ask, instead, "why", there is players who feel such a need.....

Perhaps, "just" perhaps, this is because the Design makes the in-game time to get some items too time consuming, too long ?

Perhaps, "just" perhaps, if the Designers ( @Kyronix ? ) Designed the ingame mechanics so that the time to be invested to get items in the game was not so much time consuming, players would not feel the need to have to use multiple characters at once to get those items ?

Time, to my opinion, is the real asset.... the time gone will never come back, and to some players, the idea of seeing a whole lot of their time begone in a game just to get some pixels, might not be that much interesting.... so, to try to cut down that time spent, they use multiple characters....

Make items more readily obtainable in the game, and players will hopefully no longer feel the need to use multiple characters to get those items since their time to get, would already have been a reasonable one with no need to further shorten it by using multiple characters....

Ultima Online is, to my opinion, too much a time sink and this is not a good thing, IMHO.

At least, that is how I see it.

Pawain said:

@ Yoshi is on the right track, EJ accounts were not intended to be used to supplement paid accounts getting more rewards from an encounter.

The OP may have stated his reason and the GM declared it not within game mechanics.

The intent of EJ accounts is for new or returning players to play for free.  Not for paid accounts to gain more rewards.

@ Kyronix
The way to fix this is:

EJ accounts should not get any pack drops, They get a message saying. You would have earned a reward if you were using a subscribed account.

EJ accounts should not get any special drops on a Mob Corpse.  IE: Drops from Scalis, Champ, Peerless, etc like the Soulforge, etc, Again they would get a system message saying the above.

They should be able to get a feel for gameplay but no special rewards.

I assume they did it well in the last dungeon event where things were account bound to them, but I think they should just get a message that encourages them to subscribe when they would get something special.

You can tell that I have never used an EJ account.

PS a cool message would be,  HA HA you would have been given a 120 Tactics scroll just now if you were on a subscribed account!

And what about all of those players who have spent their REAL money to upgrade their EJ accounts to High Seas and Time of Legends ?

@Kyronix , if EJ accounts were to be deprived drops as I seem to understand Pawain might be suggesting, will players who no longer were to be able to use them be refunded their real money spent on ugrading their EJ account with High Seas and Time of Legends ?

I think that the ship to further restrict EJ accounts has sailed long ago.... now I think it too late, when many players have invested heavily in ugrading EJ accounts, in time, 120 Powerscrolls, Masteries and real money, that they can be made further useless.

It should have been done when introducing EJ accounts, now, I am of the opinion, it is way too late.

I think this matter is better dealt with by email, speculation here is unproductive and veering towards toxic