What is the most efficient Template to farm the Cavern of the Discarded Mini-Champs ?

I am in need to re-stock my Essence of Balance which drops from the Ratmen at the Cavern of the Discarded Mini-Champs. The blue Clan Chitter, the Red Clan Scratch and the Green Clan Ribbon.

Since I want to re-stock several hundreds essences, I would like the process to be smooth and fast or it would take way too much of my scarce time available to spend in a game.

Question is, what would be the most efficient Template to deal with this particular spawn which would be able to kill quickly all of the ratmen and have no problems in surviving there ?

Thanks for the help.

Swordsman Sampire and if you can bring a second account for boss, I would bring a Discord/Tamer.

Drowy said:

Swordsman Sampire and if you can bring a second account for boss, I would bring a Discord/Tamer.

Vermin or Repond Slayer ?

Any other suggestion to more efficiently deal with this particular spawn ?

When you say Discord/Tamer, do you mean a Tamer using a Discord pet ?

Only a fisher cook will truly thrive here

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

See Allen is trying to keep you from learning the truth about fisher cooks

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

See Allen is trying to keep you from learning the truth about fisher cooks

Fisher Cooks are soooo 2019, it's Fisher Campers now.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

See Allen is trying to keep you from learning the truth about fisher cooks

Fisher Cooks are soooo 2019, it's Fisher Campers now.

Shhhhh don't give away all the secrets 

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

Hmmm.... it looks like then, if I am understanding you correctly (please, correct me if I understood it all wrong....) that you are suggesting that this spawn is a royal waste of time because the drop rate for the Essence of Balance makes it totally unproductive ?

Mkay, thanks for the heads up !

Yes you have play to get a chance at an item. Just like I will be doing tonight at Craps.

popps said:

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

Hmmm.... it looks like then, if I am understanding you correctly (please, correct me if I understood it all wrong....) that you are suggesting that this spawn is a royal waste of time because the drop rate for the Essence of Balance makes it totally unproductive ?

Mkay, thanks for the heads up !

IMO - correct. So many other ingredients drop that it dilutes the pool of resource gathering. 

But I believe repond is the winner and the regular old sampire is the best.

Unless begging works. Then that. 

Actually yeah. Put it on the change request log. I want to wear a rat costume (that exists right?) And be able to beg from other rats down there without taking aggro.

What a feature that would be @Kyronix ;

How very sad, once again instead of trying something for yourself you come on here and ask others how to do the simplest thing. 

It must be so embarrassing being this useless at the game after playing so long to have to ask others instead of trying and learning for yourself.

It woud take 5 minutes to work out how to do this spawn. 5 MINUTES

Pathetic really

popps said:

I am in need to re-stock my Essence of Balance which drops from the Ratmen at the Cavern of the Discarded Mini-Champs. The blue Clan Chitter, the Red Clan Scratch and the Green Clan Ribbon.
Thanks for the help.

So how did you get the Essence in the first place, you used the word RE-STOCK which means you collected it in the past.  I am waiting for the day you request someone to come to your house and play UO for you.  How many bows are you making that you need that much balance because we know you are not making them for others.

When SA came out, I think everyone did this spawn. Could do it with evs, greater dragon, any melee or archer/tthrowers.

JackFlashUk said:

It woud take 5 minutes to work out how to do this spawn. 5 MINUTES

Pathetic really

I don’t know why I am even entertaining this but here goes 

I am creating 21 new chars on on a new shard for a bit of entertainment whilst waiting for the next event 

one of which is a Sampire 

she can complete ALL spawns with ease with her complete cameo and imbued double axe super slayer set.  I am building up a great SA ingredients stock but more importantly having a blast and reminiscing about when SA came out 

Valeria said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

Hmmm.... it looks like then, if I am understanding you correctly (please, correct me if I understood it all wrong....) that you are suggesting that this spawn is a royal waste of time because the drop rate for the Essence of Balance makes it totally unproductive ?

Mkay, thanks for the heads up !

IMO - correct. So many other ingredients drop that it dilutes the pool of resource gathering. 

But I believe repond is the winner and the regular old sampire is the best.

Unless begging works. Then that. 

Thank you for your reply.

I have been looking up about Repond and Vermin, and they seem to be both Super Slayers (Double Damage).

Apparently, it looks like that there is no "Slayer" (triple damage) for the Cavern of the Discarded creatures.

Also, i do not understand the writing at the UO Wiki https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/items/slayer-property-items/ , @Mariah , what do they mean ?

The Table "Slayer Groups" --> "Humanoid Group (opposed to Undead Group)" indicates the 2nd Column as "Repond Slayer and Goblin Slayer" while the 3rd Column as "Repond Slayer and Vermin Slayer".

Does that mean, that the Repond slayer alone won't be effective when fighting versus either Goblins or the creatures at the Cavern of the Discarded but it has to be used in conjunction with their the Goblin slayer, also, or the Vermin slayer in order to then have an effect versus Goblins or the creatures at the Cavern of the Discarded ?

And, assuming that one was to use a Repond Slayer on the Sampire's weapon and a Talisman that is a Vermin Slayer, what would be the damage done to the Creatures at the Cavern of the Discarded ? The 200% that Double Slayers do, or 300% that Single Slayers do ?

Question is, is it necessary for the Sampire to have a suit that has 100% DI in order to maximize damage done to the Creatures at the Cavern of the Discarded, or not ?

Also, when you say "regular old sampire is the best ", do I understand it as correctly the one that has 99 Necromancy skill to use the Vampiric Embrace form ? With Bushido (how many skill points?) for Lightning Strike ? Parry ?

Thanks.

Lord_Frodo said:

popps said:

I am in need to re-stock my Essence of Balance which drops from the Ratmen at the Cavern of the Discarded Mini-Champs. The blue Clan Chitter, the Red Clan Scratch and the Green Clan Ribbon.
Thanks for the help.

So how did you get the Essence in the first place, you used the word RE-STOCK which means you collected it in the past.  I am waiting for the day you request someone to come to your house and play UO for you.  How many bows are you making that you need that much balance because we know you are not making them for others.

IDOCs, Vendor Search, just the plain old Trade Window with other players.... this time, though, I wanted to restock it myself (stacked materials now get deleted at IDOCs...) unless, it requires an inordinate amount of time to get it to drop which I seem to understand Pawain warned me about, in his post....

 Personally I like my Chiv/Archer/Bushi/Tactic/Tame/Lore Toon there  but my Herder/Camper/Forensic/Tracker/Snooping/Legendary Bank Sitter is by far the most effective template for that area.

The information in the wiki indicates that both repond and goblin slayer items are affective against goblins. Repond and Vermin slayer are both affective against Ratmen.

Why do you want to play a melee toon without 100% DI? @popps.

I still use the guy I made for ML. My non sampire Macer. He still can kill there.  This is old content. Nothing is hard enough to require a sampire unless you are doing the peerless or Slasher.

The red ratmen are who you equip for. The rest of the stuff is one or two hits. The red rat men take a while.

Tyrath said:

 Personally I like my Chiv/Archer/Bushi/Tactic/Tame/Lore Toon there  but my Herder/Camper/Forensic/Tracker/Snooping/Legendary Bank Sitter is by far the most effective template for that area.

Close to what i use except i have taste id so in can tell which essences are spoiled.

Pawain said:

So you did not try a template to see how difficult or easy these are? Instead of looking up their names to act like you know what you are doing. You could have done that.

Take a toon there and kill them. 

Then you can move onto a thread saying how the drop rate is too small.

You could buy the essence on Atl VS or look on your shards. Would be much quicker.

Pawain, +1. 

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Tyrath said:

 Personally I like my Chiv/Archer/Bushi/Tactic/Tame/Lore Toon there  but my Herder/Camper/Forensic/Tracker/Snooping/Legendary Bank Sitter is by far the most effective template for that area.

Close to what i use except i have taste id so in can tell which essences are spoiled.

 I used to run taste ID when doing them but they went all passive when ya started licking them, took all the challenge out of it 🙁

I'm curious.  Since when is it expected for us all to play at the pinnacle of efficiency in this game and never ask questions on these forums anymore?  Not everyone knows everything about this game, even if they have played for years or have thousands of forum posts.  This was a simple question that required a simple answer like "Sampire swordsman with Repond double axe." Instead, OP got blasted.  How many people reading these forums also have basic questions that most players know the answer to, but don't ask because they are also afraid of getting the "do it yourself, noob," or "you're so pathetic for not already knowing this," type of responses.  This forum IS the how-to manual for this game.  If someone doesn't know something, they SHOULD come here to ask.  Who cares of the OP "should" already know this information?  Just give the guy an answer that works for you or don't...there's no need to be a jackass about it though.

Sarkon said:

I'm curious.  Since when is it expected for us all to play at the pinnacle of efficiency in this game and never ask questions on these forums anymore?  Not everyone knows everything about this game, even if they have played for years or have thousands of forum posts.  This was a simple question that required a simple answer like "Sampire swordsman with Repond double axe." Instead, OP got blasted.  How many people reading these forums also have basic questions that most players know the answer to, but don't ask because they are also afraid of getting the "do it yourself, noob," or "you're so pathetic for not already knowing this," type of responses.  This forum IS the how-to manual for this game.  If someone doesn't know something, they SHOULD come here to ask.  Who cares of the OP "should" already know this information?  Just give the guy an answer that works for you or don't...there's no need to be a jackass about it though.

If there was an ignore feature on the forums like there is on Stratics, I'm sure many others along with myself would use it for popps. I typically try to ignore his threads all together because it usually just turns into some back and forth debate about hypothetical situations according to the way he thinks the game should be.

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

Sarkon said:

I'm curious.  Since when is it expected for us all to play at the pinnacle of efficiency in this game and never ask questions on these forums anymore?  Not everyone knows everything about this game, even if they have played for years or have thousands of forum posts.  This was a simple question that required a simple answer like "Sampire swordsman with Repond double axe." Instead, OP got blasted.  How many people reading these forums also have basic questions that most players know the answer to, but don't ask because they are also afraid of getting the "do it yourself, noob," or "you're so pathetic for not already knowing this," type of responses.  This forum IS the how-to manual for this game.  If someone doesn't know something, they SHOULD come here to ask.  Who cares of the OP "should" already know this information?  Just give the guy an answer that works for you or don't...there's no need to be a jackass about it though.

Because with particular poster the odds that he is actually going to listen and go down with a swords sampire with a repond slayer are slim to none.  Much more likely he will just complain that some other template doesn’t work the same and never set foot with any character in the cavern.

Sarkon said:

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

Because we have told him how to do things. Then popps argues and will never do it.

Search his posts. He asks how to do stuff, argues, then never does it.
Notice he did not even go to the area before he posted. 

Notice when I said he will not get the drop rates he expects he balked.

Also there is no pinnacle of efficiency. I can not play a template that requires multiple keystrokes or fast reflexes.

There is a better way to ask this question.

I am using a xxxx template on the rat men and it takes me xxxx time to kill them.  Is there a faster way with this template or another template that will work better?

Many players like a template. They want to use it and may ask how to kill quicker. Others are willing to make a new template to do a specific encounter.

One answer does not fit all.

Sarkon said:

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

Also this is old content that was done with basic fighters and mages with EVs or Greater Dragons.

This specific encounter can be done with any template that can kill stuff. Kinda like I said earlier in the thread.

Sarkon said:

Just give the guy an answer that works for you or don't...there's no need to be a jackass about it though.

We all started off polite and respectful. 

After 5000 answers that were met with an essay on why we're wrong it changes you. 

Pawain said:

Sarkon said:

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

Also this is old content that was done with basic fighters and mages with EVs or Greater Dragons.

This specific encounter can be done with any template that can kill stuff. Kinda like I said earlier in the thread.

I do it on my Crafter casting RC still. And he has 0 luck and get's all the essences he ever needs. Although sometimes I have to buy a royal forged pardon (even though they don't stack)  because someone tried to cramp my style.

Urge said:

Sarkon said:

Just give the guy an answer that works for you or don't...there's no need to be a jackass about it though.

We all started off polite and respectful. 

After 5000 answers that were met with an essay on why we're wrong it changes you. 

As i see it 5002 is the correct number of essays me thinks 

Pawain said:

Sarkon said:

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

Because we have told him how to do things. Then popps argues and will never do it.

Search his posts. He asks how to do stuff, argues, then never does it.
Notice he did not even go to the area before he posted. 

Notice when I said he will not get the drop rates he expects he balked.

Also there is no pinnacle of efficiency. I can not play a template that requires multiple keystrokes or fast reflexes.

There is a better way to ask this question.

I am using a xxxx template on the rat men and it takes me xxxx time to kill them.  Is there a faster way with this template or another template that will work better?

Many players like a template. They want to use it and may ask how to kill quicker. Others are willing to make a new template to do a specific encounter.

One answer does not fit all.

Search his posts. He asks how to do stuff, argues, then never does it.

If that was the case, how come that, after trying to get Tamers be given some love as compared to Sampires/Dexers I eventually surrendered and made a Sampire that I am using for the "Treasures of" Events where Dexers can perform better because of the Design ?

I did not like it, I would have preferred to see Tamers be given some love and be brought on par with Dexers but, since time passed and I did not see my Tamer being able to get same drops as Dexers, I made and started to use a Dexer consistently.

The issue for me is not that I do not want to listen to them, but, rather, that I do not see why I should do hunts using Templates which are not the same fun for me to play as a Tamer....

But the answer I get given is that different hunts ask for different Templates.... too bad, though, that at least to my opinion, I seem to get the impression that "most " hunts want a Sampire/Dexer rather then another type of Template.... and this, to my humble opinion, kills variety in Ultima Online when most players feel that they "have to " use always the same type of Template or variations of it, if they want to use a more efficient fighter in the game.

@popps A Tamer can do all content except for Paroxysmus.

If you have fun playing a tamer you would not care if some things take longer.  And how do you know they take longer? 

Most hunts on LS are done with tamers. We do have a new group of players that use other things.

You do not have to use a certain template.  Players on LS do the Spawns and Dungeon events with the template they like.  You will see a guy on a polar bear casting EVs and Spells, you will see all template types.

Stop worrying about what other players are getting and play your own game. How do you know that the people saying they get many drops an hour are not lying?  Because they are worried that they are getting too few so they inflate it.

To powergame you way thru UO you have to conform to a powergame template. Trying to change literally every aspect of the game that takes you a little time don't fly with us that did our time fine tuning and grinding our way up. 

If you truly want to play what's fun you won't care what temp you play or the time invested. That's why we have multiple character slots and the ability to add more accounts. 

Urge said:

To powergame you way thru UO you have to conform to a powergame template. Trying to change literally every aspect of the game that takes you a little time don't fly with us that did our time fine tuning and grinding our way up. 

If you truly want to play what's fun you won't care what temp you play or the time invested. That's why we have multiple character slots and the ability to add more accounts. 

Unfortunately, with the time sink that unfortunately UO is, it is not possible, at least for me, to not consider the "time factor" when having to get stuff in the game.

And this is especially true with timed events which last for a while and then end.

These timed Events, the way I see it, do not permit me, often, given their Design, to play the Template that I most enjoy to play when this Template is not as effective as other templates to get the most out of the Event.

Perhaps others might have unlimited time to spend in a game and thus can afford using templates which they enjoy more even though these templates are less effective, I don't...

popps said:

Urge said:

To powergame you way thru UO you have to conform to a powergame template. Trying to change literally every aspect of the game that takes you a little time don't fly with us that did our time fine tuning and grinding our way up. 

If you truly want to play what's fun you won't care what temp you play or the time invested. That's why we have multiple character slots and the ability to add more accounts. 

Unfortunately, with the time sink that unfortunately UO is, it is not possible, at least for me, to not consider the "time factor" when having to get stuff in the game.

And this is especially true with timed events which last for a while and then end.

These timed Events, the way I see it, do not permit me, often, given their Design, to play the Template that I most enjoy to play when this Template is not as effective as other templates to get the most out of the Event.

Perhaps others might have unlimited time to spend in a game and thus can afford using templates which they enjoy more even though these templates are less effective, I don't...

I use a fishing tamer popps and have gotten every item so don't say you can't as well

Sarkon said:

It seems people allowed past posts to derail current ones then.  Still, this was a valid question, and people have valid answers to it.  If everyone did their own research and solved their own problems within the game and never asked questions, there wouldn’t be a need for this forum at all.  I mean, we can all just use YouTube, right? 

And the rebuttals begin.

He does not want help with this encounter. He wants to stand at a spot and get x drops per hour. No matter what template he chooses.  That's the only fair way to do it. As far as I see it.

And that drop number should compensate for hours played. Only 1 hour a week should get the same drops as a person playing 10 hours a day.

popps said:

Urge said:

To powergame you way thru UO you have to conform to a powergame template. Trying to change literally every aspect of the game that takes you a little time don't fly with us that did our time fine tuning and grinding our way up. 

If you truly want to play what's fun you won't care what temp you play or the time invested. That's why we have multiple character slots and the ability to add more accounts. 

Unfortunately, with the time sink that unfortunately UO is, it is not possible, at least for me, to not consider the "time factor" when having to get stuff in the game.

Soon as I see a particular poster's name in the post heading, I do not even bother opening the post <span>🙂</span>

keven2002 said:

popps said:

Urge said:

To powergame you way thru UO you have to conform to a powergame template. Trying to change literally every aspect of the game that takes you a little time don't fly with us that did our time fine tuning and grinding our way up. 

If you truly want to play what's fun you won't care what temp you play or the time invested. That's why we have multiple character slots and the ability to add more accounts. 

Unfortunately, with the time sink that unfortunately UO is, it is not possible, at least for me, to not consider the "time factor" when having to get stuff in the game.

I think it's time that you consider playing a different game then because you obviously have a problem with like 95% of the game. You are now saying that some content that's been around for almost a decade is too much of a time sink when you've literally had the past 3 full months to play it, uninterrupted from "new" / limited content.

@ Mariah - I think popps was given his answer (like 3 days ago) and this thread can be added to the long list of his closed threads before it gets too out of hand.

Naaaah, leave it open. it Gives @Pawain and myself something to do while we drink our Coffee.

Swords Sampire with 100% Fire (or Energy) Repond Double Axe+Vermin Slayer Talisman and a 120 Disco+AP Vollem. 'Nuff said.

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Swords Sampire with 100% Fire (or Energy) Repond Double Axe+Vermin Slayer Talisman and a 120 Disco+AP Vollem. 'Nuff said.

Prepare for 600 questions previously answered above vollem 

 I do almost all of the game content at some point over the course of a  year of game time with some variation of a tamer. Most common ones Chiv/Archer/Tamer  Mystic/Tamer Disco/Tamer miner/tamer  and a Necro/Tamer. Rarely will I use a stealth tamer.  When I need a sampire it is not difficult to change the Archer/Tamer into a Melee type sampire.  The few exceptions where I don't use a tamer in the template and regularly play the toons are my T Hunter templates which are all 120 Mage/Mystic/Imbue/Eval  With Cart/remove trap with 40 Med jeweled to 70. There are a few ML and SA bosses and mini bosses where other templates than a tamer version are more effective and only two that I can think of that just should not be done with a tamer at all.  I have always done just fine in getting drops across multiple shards using the Chiv/Archer/Tamer Template with the Right Pet for the job and the right slayer bow/tali/cameo.  I Have quite a few L33T Very high end expensive suits but generally run low end total crap suits LOL since the EJ starter packs came out I pretty much just wear the Journeymans armor set that comes with it and 140 luck robe and either dex ninja belt or Obi from the Dungeon reward tokens and one of the cleanup jewels sets..... For whatever reason the RNG Gods rain Minax Sandals down on me VERY regularly so almost all of my character wear CBD Pair of them and a hide cape.  Makes for a nice junky do everything even if not efficently suit. I just make elemental bows and imbue them with the right flavors for the task at hand.  Nothing real complex or time consuming about anything I do in game.  And hardly live UO, I do however play UO 1-4 hours combined in the morning waking up or in the evening before bed.  Amazingly if I have a question about something, I first ask friends that would likely know the answer, then I google it and either UOguide or the Official Wiki will have the answer and Google typically shows all of the various forum post about the topic in question...... Just have to sort through all the free shards forum post for the stratics and here post about the topic.  Then if still no luck I will ask on stratics assuming MErlin and the other wieners there have not suspended me for a year and finally as a dead last resort I might ask here.  Something I have noticed here is that a certain posters endless questions are pretty much all covered in detail and can be found with a simple google search.

I was wondering, also to revamp the rogue template, wouldn't it be a lot of fun if stealing from NPCs was Designed so that, if a monster was listed to carry certain resources in their loot corpse (be it for crafting or imbuing), the Rogue could steal them from the creature without the need to actually have to kill it ? 

Need special Gems ? Need Essences ? Need Imbuing Mats ? Any other resource which spawns as loot on creatures ?

Rather then having to kill them and loot their corpse, as an alternative, it could now be made possible to steal them without having to kill the creature...

This way, crafters who are no fighters, could still have a non-combat way of gathering the resources needed for their profession.

@Kyronix , do you like the idea ?

Did popps just hijack his own thread?

I can already see the 12 other threads being created because "my thief keeps dying because he is revealed when he attempts to steal" and "monsters should have unlimited things to steal because how do I know if someone already stole from it" and "it takes too long to steal 10 Essense of direction because you need to steal (insert gorilla math)".... and further down the rabbit hole we goooooooooooooooooooooooo

so, Popps, how is the farming going?  now you have all the info you need you should harvesting loads by now?  Show us a screen shot of how many you have gotten so far

keven2002 said:

I can already see the 12 other threads being created because "my thief keeps dying because he is revealed when he attempts to steal" and "monsters should have unlimited things to steal because how do I know if someone already stole from it" and "it takes too long to steal 10 Essense of direction because you need to steal (insert gorilla math)".... and further down the rabbit hole we goooooooooooooooooooooooo

Well, stealing from Monsters is nothing new (https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/combat/pvm-player-versus-monster/stealing-from-monsters/) why couldn't it be expanded also to all resources which crafters need and creatures carry as their loot ?

popps said:

keven2002 said:

I can already see the 12 other threads being created because "my thief keeps dying because he is revealed when he attempts to steal" and "monsters should have unlimited things to steal because how do I know if someone already stole from it" and "it takes too long to steal 10 Essense of direction because you need to steal (insert gorilla math)".... and further down the rabbit hole we goooooooooooooooooooooooo

Well, stealing from Monsters is nothing new (https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/combat/pvm-player-versus-monster/stealing-from-monsters/) why couldn't it be expanded also to all resources which crafters need and creatures carry as their loot ?

Would you then ask for gloves of direction steal when you felt drop rate was to low also taking thing from dead bodies is already stealing 

JackFlashUk said:

so, Popps, how is the farming going?  now you have all the info you need you should harvesting loads by now?  Show us a screen shot of how many you have gotten so far

It is going slow as I could not play much this past week.

popps said:

JackFlashUk said:

so, Popps, how is the farming going?  now you have all the info you need you should harvesting loads by now?  Show us a screen shot of how many you have gotten so far

It is going slow as I could not play much this past week.

See you guys don't realize that while annoying he's probably better than you 

popps said:

I was wondering, also to revamp the rogue template, wouldn't it be a lot of fun if stealing from NPCs was Designed so that, if a monster was listed to carry certain resources in their loot corpse (be it for crafting or imbuing), the Rogue could steal them from the creature without the need to actually have to kill it ? 

Legit post, stealing does need a major upgrade. +1 on that but it'll never happen. 

A thievery revamp is supposedly on the list to be looked at in the future. That was 4+ years ago lol.