Are you ever going to deal with Archlich Multibox cheating?

RIGHT NOW!

Atlantic

players dragging archers at BREAKNECK SPEED.  a whole squad of them. all auto targetting

Mesanna   24/7 YOU need to make sure that someone ANYONE is in there monitoring and GETTING RID OF all of these bloody cheats

WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING THIS?????????

these cheats are LAUGHING at YOU and the RULES

Do you care?????

Which one are you talking about? The actors guild or the stranger things cast? I've paged on them before but I think they are on before a GM is online and log before one hops on. I also think that they are actively playing (albeit with a string of multibox accts) so that's where it gets tricky because if a GM pulls them aside the single person using all the accounts can answer whatever the GM asks.

Multi-boxing should be banned even if they are not AFK. Isn't this the case?

Seth said:

Multi-boxing should be banned even if they are not AFK. Isn't this the case?

It is but I have yet to hear about a definitive way to prove people are multiboxing aside from the "obvious" which is everyone is moving and attacking the same target at the same time. I'm sure there is some deniability there though. So it's basically just a case by case basis for players and the GM responding.

keven2002 said:

Seth said:

Multi-boxing should be banned even if they are not AFK. Isn't this the case?

It is but I have yet to hear about a definitive way to prove people are multiboxing aside from the "obvious" which is everyone is moving and attacking the same target at the same time. I'm sure there is some deniability there though. So it's basically just a case by case basis for players and the GM responding.

I think it's easier to prove MB for ranged attack such as spells or archery. They all attack same target same time, and they don't need to be standing next to the target.

For warrior it's harder as all the warriors have to stand next to the target to be effective.

And I think its not efficient as it will take longer for each character to get enough "points" to earn each drop.

8 characters killing 1 target each Vs 1 character killing 8 targets...

I would rather collect points for 1 warrior so it has more points and chances for another drop.

They (including GMs) just don't care. I've reported the same group of bots nearly every day, using the "Select player from List" option which means the GMs know exactly which player I'm talking about, yet I can still see them every day at the same time of the day (and that's why I can keep reporting) and obviously they still haven't been banned. 

Just like all the reproducible bugs that players have reported, they will not do anything. 

And to all the bots, you are there because you are farming and selling things to normal players, but what you are doing, are making normal players to leave the game. Let's see when this will come back to you, as well as to those management of the game, who chose not to take any action. 

Another very simple thing you can observe, After the "server going down" message, go into the Deceit and see who's still diligently running around among those open rooms near the entrance on the first floor with a regular pattern and path, and keep killing mobs, while normal player knows none of these will be saved during the 2 minutes before the disconnection, and it is not "safe" to stay inside the dungeon during server restart so human player will just go out to the entrance, obviously except those script running bots. 

They just never thought of adding one more statement in their script, to scan the journal for server going down message, then stop the script to stop yourself from being spotted from the obvious (Oh right, you don't really care as no one is going to take any action on you)

This is just something very funny to watch.

Last night on Atlantic after 10PM PST, i saw three groups of multi-boxers on Lvl 4. Each one had a Bard in the lead running Provo Masteries to heal up the gaggle of auto-targeting Throwers or Archers they were towing around.

First I think the leader follows a scripted path.

The rest just follow via autofollow

Then finally they are all running on infinite macro to target nearest and attack targeted. 

Maybe this way does not need multiboxing.

Multiboxing is easier to spot when all cast one spell to hit the same target at the same time. I saw one myself during Yukio event. But i feel warrior targeting doesn't need that.

So assuming he runs say 8 clients like this, it is not MB. It is also not AFK as the toons keep moving abeit automatically, while he can sit there watch Netflix and reply to GM just in case. So maybe that is why the Dev can't find fault in this loop hole.

So... for a start they may have to add ban to auto follow function.

Seth said:

First I think the leader follows a scripted path.

The rest just follow via autofollow

Then finally they are all running on infinite macro to target nearest and attack targeted. 

Maybe this way does not need multiboxing.

Multiboxing is easier to spot when all cast one spell to hit the same target at the same time. I saw one myself during Yukio event. But i feel warrior targeting doesn't need that.

So assuming he runs say 8 clients like this, it is not MB. It is also not AFK as the toons keep moving abeit automatically, while he can sit there watch Netflix and reply to GM just in case. So maybe that is why the Dev can't find fault in this loop hole.

So... for a start they may have to add ban to auto follow function.

What I witnessed wasn't one player running to the target and the others following, they were ALL running to the target, sometimes one would get there first, then another then someone else, which is a script...period. The ones I watched in the Dojo were ONLY attacking the Oni, nothing else. Target nearest/attack targeted would wipe the dungeon area of all spawn especially with 8 clients running that macro. People are dropping these words like AutoFollow thinking the Devs are stupid and this is just a game mechanic being used...they're not stupid guys/gals, they know what's going on, they just also know it's unstoppable. 

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Last night on Atlantic after 10PM PST, i saw three groups of multi-boxers on Lvl 4. Each one had a Bard in the lead running Provo Masteries to heal up the gaggle of auto-targeting Throwers or Archers they were towing around.

I was on Atl earlier last night.  My God the drops fall like rain since they have so much spawn.  Unfortunately I took my Tiger, he does not kill things fast.  The worst part is how they leave paragons, nobody wants to kill them on any floor so the second and third floor will have 4 or more at the entries.

Most players are just covering a small area since the spawn is constant, they kill all but paragons and run those to an entry and go back and repeat.
And none of the warriors would go into a room with lots of non para mobs.  So I was drooling over those rooms but I kill too slow to do it.  Every once in a while you can get 50 to 100 drops for 1M each, I should just stay in Luna and snap up a deal.  I did kill 8 or 10 high Paragons with a guy named Walnut tree or something like that.

I wish I could bring my other melee toons but they have too much shard bound items on them. 

I saw only individuals and maybe a small group of individuals running around.  I wish there were some of the Bots to kill the Paragons.  Doing only weapon damage each hit takes a long time on the PEs and rams.

Pawain said:

I saw only individuals and maybe a small group of individuals running around.  I wish there were some of the Bots to kill the Paragons.  Doing only weapon damage each hit takes a long time on the PEs and rams.

Are you saying you didn't spot any bots? 

Aragorn said:

Pawain said:

I saw only individuals and maybe a small group of individuals running around.  I wish there were some of the Bots to kill the Paragons.  Doing only weapon damage each hit takes a long time on the PEs and rams.

Are you saying you didn't spot any bots? 

Not 1 player was in a group following each other on any floor.  Dungeon was real busy, if there was a bot I would have let them kill the paragons. Every 2 min or less a Para ram or PE spawned on any floor I was on, and everyone just ran from them mostly. Respawn was very fast  you could just stay on 1 screen to get drops.

Now Tonight Atl and LS are pretty dead.  I did not go in Atl dungeon tonight, looked dead on outside also.  I decided to buy stuff with gold instead.

Was on 8 to 11 central last night.

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Garth_Grey said:

Seth said:

First I think the leader follows a scripted path.

The rest just follow via autofollow

Then finally they are all running on infinite macro to target nearest and attack targeted. 

Maybe this way does not need multiboxing.

Multiboxing is easier to spot when all cast one spell to hit the same target at the same time. I saw one myself during Yukio event. But i feel warrior targeting doesn't need that.

So assuming he runs say 8 clients like this, it is not MB. It is also not AFK as the toons keep moving abeit automatically, while he can sit there watch Netflix and reply to GM just in case. So maybe that is why the Dev can't find fault in this loop hole.

So... for a start they may have to add ban to auto follow function.

What I witnessed wasn't one player running to the target and the others following, they were ALL running to the target, sometimes one would get there first, then another then someone else, which is a script...period. The ones I watched in the Dojo were ONLY attacking the Oni, nothing else. Target nearest/attack targeted would wipe the dungeon area of all spawn especially with 8 clients running that macro. People are dropping these words like AutoFollow thinking the Devs are stupid and this is just a game mechanic being used...they're not stupid guys/gals, they know what's going on, they just also know it's unstoppable. 

Ah ha, got it. Its multiboxing then, the MB software direct attack to one and all character attack the same guy instantly. We keep thinking of what the client does.

JackFlashUk said:

RIGHT NOW!

Atlantic

players dragging archers at BREAKNECK SPEED.  a whole squad of them. all auto targetting

Mesanna   24/7 YOU need to make sure that someone ANYONE is in there monitoring and GETTING RID OF all of these bloody cheats

WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING THIS?????????

these cheats are LAUGHING at YOU and the RULES

Do you care?????

yes they care, they care about money, into todays world you can literally get away with anything if you have enough money, same reason they wont do anything about the 2 famous house scripters on atlantic. They would lose to much money.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

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Translation: “ROBOTS EVERYWHERE”

(well done)

Pawain said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Last night on Atlantic after 10PM PST, i saw three groups of multi-boxers on Lvl 4. Each one had a Bard in the lead running Provo Masteries to heal up the gaggle of auto-targeting Throwers or Archers they were towing around.

I was on Atl earlier last night.  My God the drops fall like rain since they have so much spawn.  Unfortunately I took my Tiger, he does not kill things fast.  The worst part is how they leave paragons, nobody wants to kill them on any floor so the second and third floor will have 4 or more at the entries.

Most players are just covering a small area since the spawn is constant, they kill all but paragons and run those to an entry and go back and repeat.
And none of the warriors would go into a room with lots of non para mobs.  So I was drooling over those rooms but I kill too slow to do it.  Every once in a while you can get 50 to 100 drops for 1M each, I should just stay in Luna and snap up a deal.  I did kill 8 or 10 high Paragons with a guy named Walnut tree or something like that.

I wish I could bring my other melee toons but they have too much shard bound items on them. 

I saw only individuals and maybe a small group of individuals running around.  I wish there were some of the Bots to kill the Paragons.  Doing only weapon damage each hit takes a long time on the PEs and rams.

I usually hunt in the Lvl 4 Crypts. There's a particular multi-boxer there almost every night after 10 PM PST, and he runs through there with a Bard running Provo Masteries with several Wraith-form Archers in tow that spam Lightning Arrow on anything the instant it spawns. His main Bard char is attended, since he'll actually stop and wait for his Archers to finish off any Paragons (they drop them fast, even Paragon Spectral Armors), then he'll continue on. At least he doesn't flat out camp the Crypt room, he runs back and forth from the Crypt to the entrance.

JackFlashUk said:

Do you care?????

They don't. 

So does it or does it not make any sense that one of my EJ accounts that I invested quite a bit of $ for high seas, time of legends, all of them actually, mythic tokens, soulstones, extra stable slots etc etc, got banned, wait, perma-banned for advertising "selling pet bla bla bla" at a 1 minute interval? Where as all crap mentioned above is happening...

Eye said:

So does it or does it not make any sense that one of my EJ accounts that I invested quite a bit of $ for high seas, time of legends, all of them actually, mythic tokens, soulstones, extra stable slots etc etc, got banned, wait, perma-banned for advertising "selling pet bla bla bla" at a 1 minute interval? Where as all crap mentioned above is happening...

It doesn't matter if we all pay taxes, we will still go to jail for a crime, no matter how rich we are.

Having said this, I wondered if they just introduced a new code to detect repeated actions. It's not a crime to use macro to repeat what you did.

Eye said:

So does it or does it not make any sense that one of my EJ accounts that I invested quite a bit of $ for high seas, time of legends, all of them actually, mythic tokens, soulstones, extra stable slots etc etc, got banned, wait, perma-banned for advertising "selling pet bla bla bla" at a 1 minute interval? Where as all crap mentioned above is happening...

What does the email say you were banned for? I would think that knowing that piece of information would be more important than knowing you bought mythic tokens for the account. 

I'm not saying you were doing something wrong but it does resemble posts from other people saying they were actioned (and it's not fair) for no reason but don't actually provide the details from the message. When in reality they were doing something against ToS.

Example: If someone was selling a bugged pet and spamming it in chat then it's obvious why they were banned but of course they will conveniently leave out that piece of info and say "all I was doing was selling a pet". 

Also - seems kind of odd to me that you'd invest all this $$ into an EJ account only to keep it EJ. You spend $10 per soulstone (for 1 skill) but you won't spend 10$ per month for the account to be open? 

keven2002 said:

Also - seems kind of odd to me that you'd invest all this $$ into an EJ account only to keep it EJ. You spend $10 per soulstone (for 1 skill) but you won't spend 10$ per month for the account to be open? 

I don't see it as odd. If pets were only being tamed and sold then EJ is perfectly fine for that. 

What i do find odd is that there is obviously a paid account to post here but pets were being sold with an EJ account, which is limited to help chat in game. 

Good point @Urge

Jan, 2020
Your Ultima Online account has been suspended from the Ultima Online service for 3 day(s) due to violations of our Code of Conduct.  No further action has been taken at this time. The details of the violation are as follows:
GM petition number 12345678
Violation: Unattended Macro

I send a few emails to appeal...

Next day...
Your account ***** for Ultima Online has been prohibited from accessing all servers due to violations of our Code of Conduct. You will not be able to log onto this account again. The details of the violation are as follows:
GM petition number: same as above
Violation: Unattended Macro

Selling nothing illegal, just a trained pet, account was for the excessive amount of pets I had.... sigh! Was I afk? Might have been... but perma-ban for a dumb macro is excessive.

I believe they have a zero tolerance policy for EJ accounts.

Considering you don't need to link to a master account or even use a real email for creation and verification i still think it's pretty slack. 

Eye said:

Selling nothing illegal, just a trained pet, account was for the excessive amount of pets I had.... sigh! Was I afk? Might have been... but perma-ban for a dumb macro is excessive.

Eye said:

perma-banned for advertising "selling pet bla bla bla" at a 1 minute interval? 

Hmm... were you or weren't you AFK? That should be pretty easy to remember 

Sounds like you were AFK and you were spamming at 1 minute intervals (not sure why you were AFK and spamming about selling a pet?) which could have gotten you paged on like the Avatar or whatever his name is now that does RTM. That said, if you were suspected of unattended macroing there is a good chance a GM tried to ask you something before banning you and were not there to answer. That's why some of the suspected multi-box people are still running around because they are attended and can answer the GMs... and toggle between screens to each account to answer questions there too.

Another side note - there isn't anything out there that I'm aware of that is approved that would allow you to spam "selling XYZ" every 1 minute while unattended either. That's probably a little bit of an admission to guilt of doing something else that probably shouldn't be done 

I can only speak to what I've observed myself - spamming at 1 minute intervals can be very annoying for others in chat, and when someone actually answers the spam requesting to buy the item/pet and get no answer repeatedly, they become further annoyed because the seller is obviously not there to actually SELL the thing. My response to such behaviour has been to put the seller on 'ignore', but others may well report for afk.

@keven2002 yeah, the macro can be easily made in EC or Pinco's UI to /say "blah" delay 6000 - repeat and keep repeating all day - but still doesn't allow for unattended macro'ing regardless of if it was in say or chat or help for that matter. Still annoying and against the TOS so yeah would be banned. Also, I find it interesting that he received a 3-day suspension, returned, continued said actions and was surprised to be banned. Would think it would be more expected. 

Riner said:

Also, I find it interesting that he received a 3-day suspension, returned, continued said actions and was surprised to be banned. Would think it would be more expected. 

Eye said:

Jan, 2020
Your Ultima Online account has been suspended from the Ultima Online service for 3 day(s)
I send a few emails to appeal...

Next day...
Your account ***** for Ultima Online has been prohibited from accessing all servers due to violations of our Code of Conduct.

It looks like you admit to unattended macroing on an EJ account (at least you were honest about it) which is widely known to be illegal; in fact it's one of the few things the Dev team has said directly said is illegal and it's also something very easy for a GM to test (if you are just using an EC macro without some complex script reaction).

So I guess I'm just confused on what the issue is? It's like saying you shouldn't have gotten a speeding ticket when you were speeding because someone else was also speeding (IMO).

keven2002 said:

It looks like you admit to unattended macroing on an EJ account (at least you were honest about it) which is widely known to be illegal; in fact it's one of the few things the Dev team has said directly said is illegal and it's also something very easy for a GM to test (if you are just using an EC macro without some complex script reaction).

Honestly it seems like you left several things out of your story which keep coming out as more questions are asked; to me says all I need to know about the situation.

You were unattended macroing which is clearly against the rules. I'm not sure why you would try to fight that 3 day ban (you made it seem like they just randomly gave you a perma ban for no reason). Again - you were clearly breaking the rules so you were trying to do what? Lie and say you weren't? Should have let sleeping dogs lie there.

At the end of the day, if you are breaking the rules; you will be risking your account and if it's EJ it's even more so because it's a free account. 

Eye said:

So, let's see

If I break tos with a "say" macro

I get banned for 3 days

If I email about it (btw whether I tried to fight a 3 day ban or not, that's my prerogative)

I get perma banned

So, it must be in the tos that if a person appeals a 3 day ban, change the temp ban to a perma ban....

Honestly, if that makes sense to you, I am happy for you...

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you were appealing the ban when you even admitted to being guilty of it here. Have to take some responsibility / accountability there. Can't say why you were perma banned afterwards (if that was even the progression of things; you have been leaving out details that are not favorable for you) but maybe it has to do with wasting their time? You were obviously in the wrong and wasting their time so they increased the penalty?

To bring this back on topic... being accountable is the reason I do not use unapproved clients or multibox etc; because I do not want to risk my accounts and it never crossed my mind to appeal a ban when I was actually proven guilty of what I was banned for. 

keven2002 said:

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you were appealing the ban when you even admitted to being guilty of it here. Have to take some responsibility / accountability there. Can't say why you were perma banned afterwards (if that was even the progression of things; you have been leaving out details that are not favorable for you) but maybe it has to do with wasting their time? You were obviously in the wrong and wasting their time so they increased the penalty?

To bring this back on topic... being accountable is the reason I do not use unapproved clients or multibox etc; because I do not want to risk my accounts and it never crossed my mind to appeal a ban when I was actually proven guilty of what I was banned for. 

Mariah said:

@ eye if you feel you have been unfairly treated your route to complain is gmreviews@ ultimaonline.com Not on this forum

Can we please get this thread back on topic please? 

Any more discussion of individual bans and their justification will be removed.

Thank you.

aye aye captain

Eye said:

keven2002 said:

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you were appealing the ban when you even admitted to being guilty of it here. Have to take some responsibility / accountability there. Can't say why you were perma banned afterwards (if that was even the progression of things; you have been leaving out details that are not favorable for you) but maybe it has to do with wasting their time? You were obviously in the wrong and wasting their time so they increased the penalty?

To bring this back on topic... being accountable is the reason I do not use unapproved clients or multibox etc; because I do not want to risk my accounts and it never crossed my mind to appeal a ban when I was actually proven guilty of what I was banned for. 

move on dude, it is okay if you don't understand everything...

byee byee...

Doesn't really matter to me; hopefully you understand your lesson on breaking the rules of the game. Otherwise, you should understand that the rest of your EJ accounts (and possibly the paid account you are posting with) will be banned. Also coming here for sympathy when you broke the rules probably isn't something smart to do either 🙂 

I actually really enjoy the multi boxers running scripts.  They move in a predictable pattern and they are super useful for killing the paragons and such you don’t want to fight and they generate steady spawn. I run ahead of them with my sampires and attack all the simple stuff then leave the harder para and the rams for them. I get like 20+ drops an hour this way and let them fight the para poison eles. There is no value in that for me. 

Theo said:

I actually really enjoy the multi boxers running scripts.  They move in a predictable pattern and they are super useful for killing the paragons and such you don’t want to fight and they generate steady spawn. I run ahead of them with my sampires and attack all the simple stuff then leave the harder para and the rams for them. I get like 20+ drops an hour this way and let them fight the para poison eles. There is no value in that for me. 

All the paragons except lich lords way easy

Grimbeard said:

Theo said:

I actually really enjoy the multi boxers running scripts.  They move in a predictable pattern and they are super useful for killing the paragons and such you don’t want to fight and they generate steady spawn. I run ahead of them with my sampires and attack all the simple stuff then leave the harder para and the rams for them. I get like 20+ drops an hour this way and let them fight the para poison eles. There is no value in that for me. 

All the paragons except lich lords way easy

That wasn’t the point. I didn’t say I couldn’t kill them I don’t want to kill them. In the time it takes his three sampires to kill a paragon ram I’ve killed 5-8 low level spawn. That’s 5-8 more chances at an artifact since it doesn’t seem
like difficulty has anything to do with drop rate. This way I get more drops by not being slowed down by paras. 

Theo said:

Grimbeard said:

Theo said:

I actually really enjoy the multi boxers running scripts.  They move in a predictable pattern and they are super useful for killing the paragons and such you don’t want to fight and they generate steady spawn. I run ahead of them with my sampires and attack all the simple stuff then leave the harder para and the rams for them. I get like 20+ drops an hour this way and let them fight the para poison eles. There is no value in that for me. 

All the paragons except lich lords way easy

That wasn’t the point. I didn’t say I couldn’t kill them I don’t want to kill them. In the time it takes his three sampires to kill a paragon ram I’ve killed 5-8 low level spawn. That’s 5-8 more chances at an artifact since it doesn’t seem
like difficulty has anything to do with drop rate. This way I get more drops by not being slowed down by paras. 

This coupled with having turned into pay to win (well in true UO fashion only partly) is the crux if the problem (well ok just with TOT events shard bound another issue) last week in normal play (3-5 hours a day) i got 100 drops. Yesterday with 4 potion i got 100 ! So so broken and of course i ran about without a care for another (did you know the potion timer runs even when dead how F'ed up is that) because suddenly every second counts...