Please stop 2D auto follow in dungeon

This is being blatantly abused by cheats as they drag multiple auto target illegal script throwers Samp 

rife on Atlantic and Europa and they zoom about so fast it’s very hard to page

This is 100% illegal scripting as there is no legal way to auto target multiple accts at once

might be multi boxing or not but it def no right 

please @Mesanna see for yourself. They are not hard to find 

It's multi-boxing. The movement is too precise for all the chars to be 2D's "Auto Follow" ability (2D's auto follow tends to get hung up around doors/corners and on stairs). I saw them doing it late last night on Atlantic.

PlayerSkillFTW said:

It's multi-boxing. The movement is too precise for all the chars to be 2D's "Auto Follow" ability (2D's auto follow tends to get hung up around doors/corners and on stairs). I saw them doing it late last night on Atlantic.

Players  claim its auto follow even when it's 8 characters 

I think it's time to ban auto follow as well.

McDougle said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:

It's multi-boxing. The movement is too precise for all the chars to be 2D's "Auto Follow" ability (2D's auto follow tends to get hung up around doors/corners and on stairs). I saw them doing it late last night on Atlantic.

Players  claim its auto follow even when it's 8 characters 

It's most definitely not auto follow. I've had up to 6 Throwers follow me around with CC's Auto Follow during the most recent Invasion event (dem Bane Soul Glaives), and believe me, it's a nightmare trying to get them to go through doorways or around tight corners. I also have my Disco/Tamer auto follow my Death Ray Tamer/Mage © when my guild does Blackthorn Captains. There's a huge difference in how CC's Auto Follow performs, vs what i'm seeing going on in Deceit. They're most definitely multi-boxing.

Maybe auto follow should be limited to one player follower to a character. No chains/trains of characters, just pairs

Mu_Whiskers said:

Maybe auto follow should be limited to one player follower to a character. No chains/trains of characters, just pairs

Fine, but they should stop totally until the feature is also available to EC. 

Why did they add the gear change cool down time to EC to match CC. Why can't EC have such Wow features from CC.

Seth said:

Mu_Whiskers said:

Maybe auto follow should be limited to one player follower to a character. No chains/trains of characters, just pairs

Fine, but they should stop totally until the feature is also available to EC. 

Why did they add the gear change cool down time to EC to match CC. Why can't EC have such Wow features from CC.

Don't even get me started on all the perks EC has that CC doesn't... 

Its autofollow but even that gets banned as multiboxing.

I had accounts banned for using auto follow during that last event even though the rules say you can use autofollow.

They told me I was "multiboxing" and refused to acknowledge all the evidence I provided that showed it was 100% autofollow.

So don't worry, all iterations of this are getting banned... I just wish they were more clear on the rules.

Change a mechanic that is 25 yeas old because you cant multiTASK? ok lol.

keven2002 said:

Seth said:

Mu_Whiskers said:

Maybe auto follow should be limited to one player follower to a character. No chains/trains of characters, just pairs

Fine, but they should stop totally until the feature is also available to EC. 

Why did they add the gear change cool down time to EC to match CC. Why can't EC have such Wow features from CC.

Don't even get me started on all the perks EC has that CC doesn't... 

Sorry, EC is newer and supposed to replace CC. Design intent wise it should include all the features of an older software and more. If not why spend the money to make a new software that is 100% same as the original. Why have Winsdows 11 when we can using Windows XP.

So I primarily play EC and have no memory of this magic auto follow option in the CC. I remember it being very tedious to pull off and it didn't last for very long. Could someone link a video of someone showing how to pull this maneuver off, oh and then show me how to do it on multiple clients..I'll wait.

Garth_Grey said:

So I primarily play EC and have no memory of this magic auto follow option in the CC. I remember it being very tedious to pull off and it didn't last for very long. Could someone link a video of someone showing how to pull this maneuver off, oh and then show me how to do it on multiple clients..I'll wait.

Works great if you need your toons to move at a medium pace from one place to another with no obstacles.  They can not go in a gate, or up stairs or a telepad all together.

Deceit is too fast paced, I am not going to tag my Bard along.  Too many stairs and teles and doors.

“You just alt + left click to follow 

it actually does work amazingly well, runs at full speed and path finds. not sure why they can’t get pets to follow in same way.

If you page a GM it will help them to include the objectIDs of the offending players.  This is easy to do in the EC if you use the code @Arroth_Thaiel provided in his thread https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/80525/ ;

I got asked/accused of multi boxing because of auto follow a couple times today. Taught one person how it’s done (Alt+click) and the other just kept screaming “cheater”. Forget that it was a Sampire and a bard — two different templates that make no sense for multi boxing.

Yup, must be same attack type.

Yoshi said:

“You just alt + left click to follow 

it actually does work amazingly well, runs at full speed and path finds. not sure why they can’t get pets to follow in same way.

As for people using this to multi client, please note the most commonly used client is based on 2d, they just auto everything, auto heal, auto re-arm etc

But someone pointed out before that if you remove this feature from official client, it will probably just become yet another feature exclusive to the more maintained client”

But someone pointed out before that if you remove this feature from official client, it will probably just become yet another feature exclusive to the more maintained client”

Very well said.

And since, apparently, nothing seems to be stopping those players who want to keep using that "more maintained client  ", blocking auto-follow in the Classic Client would, to my opinion, only penalize those UO players who use the official, Classic Client....

Before nerfing further the Classic Client (it already is way sub-par when compared to the official Enhanced Client...), I would like the ability of UO players to keep using that "more maintained client  " to be stopped for good....

what I am seeing is not auto follow but blatant mutlibox scripting cheating,  my original point was, if auto follow is blocked from the dungeon event dungeon then it will be 100% GUARANTEED that these players are cheating and can be actioned against,  as an EC player I have no real knowledge of auto follow, but if you are towing a mastery bard with you it must be a nightmare keeping them alive etc,  but u can see the difference between a towed bard and 6/8 auto targeting throwers.  These idiots deserve a life ban, 100% no excuses.  Its a complete joke

popps said:

Yoshi said:

“You just alt + left click to follow 

it actually does work amazingly well, runs at full speed and path finds. not sure why they can’t get pets to follow in same way.

As for people using this to multi client, please note the most commonly used client is based on 2d, they just auto everything, auto heal, auto re-arm etc

But someone pointed out before that if you remove this feature from official client, it will probably just become yet another feature exclusive to the more maintained client”

But someone pointed out before that if you remove this feature from official client, it will probably just become yet another feature exclusive to the more maintained client”

Very well said.

And since, apparently, nothing seems to be stopping those players who want to keep using that "more maintained client  ", blocking auto-follow in the Classic Client would, to my opinion, only penalize those UO players who use the official, Classic Client....

Before nerfing further the Classic Client (it already is way sub-par when compared to the official Enhanced Client...), I would like the ability of UO players to keep using that "more maintained client  " to be stopped for good....

My post is not to nerf the CC.  the auto follow is very useful if done right.  But what we are seeing is not auto follow, and for the sake of fair play in this event if auto follow was disables it would highlight the cheating beyond doubt.

Do YOU use 2 accounts in this event and auto follow or are you just arguing/debating for the sake of it as usual?

Do you understand what the point of this topic is?

In is NOT to nerf auto follow, but to STOP cheating during this event

How many players are using auto follow bards, surely this is jsut too hard to control????? there is anough chaos in the event already to have to look after a towed bard

my understanding is you CANNOT legally have a player auto targeting what your main char is targeting, so IF you are towing anything other that a bard I kinda think you ARE cheating

agree or disagree?

get it?

unless YOU are using "auto follow" Bots Popps?

@JackFlashUk - Unfortunately I don't think they can stop the illegal Auto Follow that Yoshi is referring to. Sure they stop it in CC because they maintain that code but that would then only hurt the rule abiding people that strictly use CC (maybe UOA). 

If they are going to go the route of stopping all Auto Follow then what they need to do is stop all the auto attack BS. I'm old school and still run around in war mode double clicking targets (ie I actually stop to attack). I see samps/throwers run around all day just doing run bys on mobs killing them without even stopping. I also know for a fact that people are using an auto-attack script because when these events have been in Fel and I go grey people will attack me that do not mean to as I'm running on screen (and it's too far away for AoE).

If you see characters doing anything other than basic follow and, maybe, auto defend, page a GM explaining exactly what you have seen that does not appear legit.

keven2002 said:

If they are going to go the route of stopping all Auto Follow then what they need to do is stop all the auto attack BS. I'm old school and still run around in war mode double clicking targets (ie I actually stop to attack). I see samps/throwers run around all day just doing run bys on mobs killing them without even stopping. I also know for a fact that people are using an auto-attack script because when these events have been in Fel and I go grey people will attack me that do not mean to as I'm running on screen (and it's too far away for AoE).

Did you know that you can create your own auto attack hot key “script” in regular old CC and do EXACTLY what you are stating here?
theres actually two versions of it too!

in your macros tab do this:

select nearest - hostile
attack selected

or!

select next - hostile
attack selected

bind either of those to a key and spam away and run around.   Ta-da you have your own way to run by kill stuff. (This will also attack greys/red/orange btw)

try it out. 

Yeah there are so many things you can macro in the CC. I macro trick or treating in almost the same way.

Say - Trick or Treat
Wait for Target
Select Nearest - Mobile
Current Target

There might be a simpler way for that one but that's what I use lol.

Super easy macro.
I hope it helps folks understand that all is not always what it looks like, it could be that you don't understand how something is done.

I am definitely not saying that cheating isn't happening, just bringing awareness that some presumptions might be false.

Kaz said:

Super easy macro.
I hope it helps folks understand that all is not always what it looks like, it could be that you don't understand how something is done.

I am definitely not saying that cheating isn't happening, just bringing awareness that some presumptions might be false.

I appreciate this and while I do have some familiarity with it the key to using this is that "New Targeting System" must be ON. I personally do not like the big frame stuff around whatever the target is so usually I don't use that.

That said, what I'm talking about is people running around auto attacking with a special being proc'ed each time. To my understanding if I run around spamming that same hot key it's going to keep turning my special on & off won't it? 

Kaz said:

Super easy macro.
I hope it helps folks understand that all is not always what it looks like, it could be that you don't understand how something is done.

I am definitely not saying that cheating isn't happening, just bringing awareness that some presumptions might be false.

 The target system has always been bugged and lagged. 

I haven't had a chance to get into deceit but I assume it's exactly like it was in destard. A mob spawns and is instantly killed by an ai ranged player. 

I've not been to Atlantic either, and I am assuming that its not a great time lol.
And eventually I will need to farm there, I am not looking forward to it.

Urge said:

Kaz said:

Super easy macro.
I hope it helps folks understand that all is not always what it looks like, it could be that you don't understand how something is done.

I am definitely not saying that cheating isn't happening, just bringing awareness that some presumptions might be false.

 The target system has ways been bugged and lagged. 

I haven't had a chance to get into deceit but I assume it's exactly like it was in destard. A mob spawns and is instantly killed by an ai ranged player. 

100%. Literally as soon as something spawns (level 4 crypts specifically) 1 or 2 archers are killing it before I can even hit a button.

Kaz said:

I've not been to Atlantic either, and I am assuming that its not a great time lol.
And eventually I will need to farm there, I am not looking forward to it.

I'm actually thinking of abandoning my home of ATL which is too crowded ATM for a less crowded Tram dungeon. There is currently almost nobody in Deceit Origin... might have to transfer over there so I actually have things to kill.

The biggest problem is that GMs aren’t educated enough (most times) to actually tell the difference between a good multi-client player and a multi-boxer… especially if they are standing still.

I regularly play 4 accounts and have 4 monitors.  With basic CC macros bound to the same key for each client, I can easily manually move my mouse over each client and hit the macro key for all 4 in about 1-1.5 seconds.  From the casual observer it looks like they all do the same thing at the same time, even though they don’t.  Add in a row for toggle primary ability to the CC targeting macro shown above and it’s super easy for me to chain AI on 4 accounts for attacking the nearest mob.

I readily admit to using the same strategy while using auto-follow in CC.  If you see me playing it very much looks like an auto attack script because it usually takes auto-follow about 1-2 seconds for the following clients to stop moving once I’ve stopped the lead character… during which I’ve hit the macro on each screen.  Again from the casual observer it looks like they auto attack the exact moment they stop moving (ranged AI won’t attack until the character is stationary).

I’ve been playing with this setup for years, so I have lots of practice and consider myself pretty decent at it, but I’m quite certain there are players who do it better than me.

Just because you can’t do it, or fail to understand how another player can, does not mean that the player needs to be banned or the functionality removed from the game.  That’s the same kind of broken thinking that has some schools removing AP classes because not everyone is smart enough to be in them.

Sorry @Merus but I disagree. I think the average (legal) UO player isn't anywhere near that level of power gaming that you are. In fact I'm reminded this quite often when I suggest on here that events end earlier than they do or could be more spawn and the hoards of people respond that "there isn't enough time to get enough drops" or "it's hard enough as it is". etc.

So maybe you can toggle between screens that fast but the fact still remains that I'm literally seeing a train of chars fire multiple arrows at almost every target which includes skeletons/zombies instantly and they die instantly. There is no amount of human speed that could constantly do that. The problem is that I'm seeing them during the morning before GMs log on to action them.

Merus said:

The biggest problem is that GMs aren’t educated enough (most times) to actually tell the difference between a good multi-client player and a multi-boxer… especially if they are standing still.

I regularly play 4 accounts and have 4 monitors.  With basic CC macros bound to the same key for each client, I can easily manually move my mouse over each client and hit the macro key for all 4 in about 1-1.5 seconds.  From the casual observer it looks like they all do the same thing at the same time, even though they don’t.  Add in a row for toggle primary ability to the CC targeting macro shown above and it’s super easy for me to chain AI on 4 accounts for attacking the nearest mob.

I readily admit to using the same strategy while using auto-follow in CC.  If you see me playing it very much looks like an auto attack script because it usually takes auto-follow about 1-2 seconds for the following clients to stop moving once I’ve stopped the lead character… during which I’ve hit the macro on each screen.  Again from the casual observer it looks like they auto attack the exact moment they stop moving (ranged AI won’t attack until the character is stationary).

I’ve been playing with this setup for years, so I have lots of practice and consider myself pretty decent at it, but I’m quite certain there are players who do it better than me.

Just because you can’t do it, or fail to understand how another player can, does not mean that the player needs to be banned or the functionality removed from the game.  That’s the same kind of broken thinking that has some schools removing AP classes because not everyone is smart enough to be in them.

It’s easy to see multi boxing. It’s much faster than your 4 to 6 seconds split for 4 PC.

Multiboxing can be 10 characters casting one same spell at the same time (1 sec? For fireball?) and hitting the target at the same time.

Yours would take 4 to 6 seconds. you are too slow to be called MB. Pls see my screen capture in my 2nd post.

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/8583/how-to-report-multi-boxing

I have posted this so many times, this is so obvious it’s multiboxing.

keven2002 said:

Sorry @ Merus but I disagree. I think the average (legal) UO player isn't anywhere near that level of power gaming that you are. In fact I'm reminded this quite often when I suggest on here that events end earlier than they do or could be more spawn and the hoards of people respond that "there isn't enough time to get enough drops" or "it's hard enough as it is". etc.

So maybe you can toggle between screens that fast but the fact still remains that I'm literally seeing a train of chars fire multiple arrows at almost every target which includes skeletons/zombies instantly and they die instantly. There is no amount of human speed that could constantly do that. The problem is that I'm seeing them during the morning before GMs log on to action them.

So punish legit, rule following players because some cheaters do something entirely different with some minor similarity?

Maximus_Neximus said:

keven2002 said:

Sorry @ Merus but I disagree. I think the average (legal) UO player isn't anywhere near that level of power gaming that you are. In fact I'm reminded this quite often when I suggest on here that events end earlier than they do or could be more spawn and the hoards of people respond that "there isn't enough time to get enough drops" or "it's hard enough as it is". etc.

So maybe you can toggle between screens that fast but the fact still remains that I'm literally seeing a train of chars fire multiple arrows at almost every target which includes skeletons/zombies instantly and they die instantly. There is no amount of human speed that could constantly do that. The problem is that I'm seeing them during the morning before GMs log on to action them.

So punish legit, rule following players because some cheaters do something entirely different with some minor similarity?

Yes better to punish a few "innocent " then allow it to continue 

@keven2002 I never suggested the average player can do what I do, as well as I do.  I invested some real $ in a gaming PC capable of running 4 clients and supporting 4 monitors, and have spent years practicing it.  But I’m also not so advanced to think there aren’t people who are better at it than me… I’m sure there are.

The fact that most players don’t understand what is possible within the bounds of legal play is part of the problem with what the OP suggests.  What’s worse is when those charged with enforcing the rules are equally ignorant.

Does multi-boxing happen, I’m quite sure it does… but it’s not fair to suggest that everyone who uses auto follow must be a cheater just because they’ve invested like I have in order to do it well… or that auto follow should be removed because not everyone can/does utilize it well.

So this illegal multiboxing is not reliant on auto follow ?   Be good for all of us and more importantly the GM and Devs to know so only the wrong people get punished 

and if auto follow is disabled for this event. Then anyone towing throwers are 100% using illegal means 

this either gets them banned or they don’t risk it

both resulting in harmonious play for everyone ?  Well apart from bard towing players in this instance ?

JackFlashUk said:

So this illegal multiboxing is not reliant on auto follow ?   Be good for all of us and more importantly the GM and Devs to know so only the wrong people get punished 

and if auto follow is disabled for this event. Then anyone towing throwers are 100% using illegal means 

this either gets them banned or they don’t risk it

both resulting in harmonious play for everyone ?  Well apart from bard towing players in this instance ?

Multiboxing will do the same keystroke/mouse movement to all the "team". So they can all move and do other macros at the same time.  They do not need to follow.  Search UO multibox and you will find it uses the EC only.  Not sure what capabilities the program that Yoshi advertises for has, it uses CC.

What some of use have is multiple monitors and the mouse speed set high. I move my mouse 1/2 inch and it goes through 3 monitors. (My wife hates using my PC for work.)

So we can click a screen and push a macro then move to the next.  It is not as fast as multiboxing since we have to push a button for each toon.

Deceit is small and has too many doors and levels.  I am not dragging along a Bard for buffs, it would slow me down too much.

Follow does not follow in gates, teles, or stairs.  You would have to refollow every level change.

Pawain said:

JackFlashUk said:

So this illegal multiboxing is not reliant on auto follow ?   Be good for all of us and more importantly the GM and Devs to know so only the wrong people get punished 

and if auto follow is disabled for this event. Then anyone towing throwers are 100% using illegal means 

this either gets them banned or they don’t risk it

both resulting in harmonious play for everyone ?  Well apart from bard towing players in this instance ?

Multiboxing will do the same keystroke/mouse movement to all the "team". So they can all move and do other macros at the same time.  They do not need to follow.  Search UO multibox and you will find it uses the EC only.  Not sure what capabilities the program that Yoshi advertises for has, it uses CC.

What some of use have is multiple monitors and the mouse speed set high. I move my mouse 1/2 inch and it goes through 3 monitors. (My wife hates using my PC for work.)

So we can click a screen and push a macro then move to the next.  It is not as fast as multiboxing since we have to push a button for each toon.

Deceit is small and has too many doors and levels.  I am not dragging along a Bard for buffs, it would slow me down too much.

Follow does not follow in gates, teles, or stairs.  You would have to refollow every level change.

me too as it happens. 3 clients, 3 screens EC and pincos   I have enough trouble with Navrey looking after 3 accts 🙂

Looking at these multi boxers I cannot believe the GM are not seeing it,  they ARE monitoring the event as several people have been asked question by them while in the dungeon. to the convoy of samps should be easy to see jsut by the way they all keep up with each other and auto target

Ya I'm pretty clumsy.  Fastest thing I can do is cast WoD with them on a stationary target.  But you see the words appear with a little delay on each.

Merus said:

@ keven2002 I never suggested the average player can do what I do, as well as I do.  I invested some real $ in a gaming PC capable of running 4 clients and supporting 4 monitors, and have spent years practicing it.  But I’m also not so advanced to think there aren’t people who are better at it than me… I’m sure there are.

The fact that most players don’t understand what is possible within the bounds of legal play is part of the problem with what the OP suggests.  What’s worse is when those charged with enforcing the rules are equally ignorant.

Does multi-boxing happen, I’m quite sure it does… but it’s not fair to suggest that everyone who uses auto follow must be a cheater just because they’ve invested like I have in order to do it well… or that auto follow should be removed because not everyone can/does utilize it well.

I never said I had a problem with auto follow. I use autofollow during the Krampus runs when going to the same town in order to bump Krampus up. That said, I know how auto follow works and it's very obvious to me when someone is using auto follow via CC and someone is using an illegal client to use a different set of actions.

Now if you do it so well that a GM watches you and thinks you are multiboxing then bravo to you and if that GM pulls you aside and you are able to explain then should be no harm no foul. But my thoughts are that you are a very small minority of the players that are actually using 4 monitors to actively play 4 instances of UO at once. Let's not play coy about it though when players are seamlessly doing actions over and over flawlessly.

Pawain said:

Multiboxing will do the same keystroke/mouse movement to all the "team". So they can all move and do other macros at the same time. 

This.

keven2002 said:

Sorry @ Merus but I disagree. I think the average (legal) UO player isn't anywhere near that level of power gaming that you are. In fact I'm reminded this quite often when I suggest on here that events end earlier than they do or could be more spawn and the hoards of people respond that "there isn't enough time to get enough drops" or "it's hard enough as it is". etc.

So maybe you can toggle between screens that fast but the fact still remains that I'm literally seeing a train of chars fire multiple arrows at almost every target which includes skeletons/zombies instantly and they die instantly. There is no amount of human speed that could constantly do that. The problem is that I'm seeing them during the morning before GMs log on to action them.

Agreed.

I don't mind the following so much as the constant ID scan + auto attack which is not even close to being a realistic human reaction time. 

There is a very simple way for a GM or a player to determine if it’s multi boxing or multi clienting, just be careful using it if you’re a player…

As was pointed out, multi boxing does not rely on auto follow, so…

Invis the lead character.  If the rest stop moving, then it’s legal multi client… if they all keep moving, it’s illegal.  I say be careful because if it’s abused I think it classifies as harassment.  But from a GM watching it’s a very legit test.

I can see it now. Jack is gonna invis the leader and get paged on and a GM will tell him he is harassing.

But ya invis the leader to see if it is follow. 

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

Not even a macro just left cli k on the person to follow i believe 

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

No macro. Just hold the Alt key and single left click who you want to follow. That’s it. Sometimes I have to do it twice. But it will say “now following” when initially set. 

keven2002 said:

Urge said:

Kaz said:

Super easy macro.
I hope it helps folks understand that all is not always what it looks like, it could be that you don't understand how something is done.

I am definitely not saying that cheating isn't happening, just bringing awareness that some presumptions might be false.

 The target system has ways been bugged and lagged. 

I haven't had a chance to get into deceit but I assume it's exactly like it was in destard. A mob spawns and is instantly killed by an ai ranged player. 

100%. Literally as soon as something spawns (level 4 crypts specifically) 1 or 2 archers are killing it before I can even hit a button.

Yeah guys !!! LETS block all assistance soft and will be playing same as 25 years ago !!! with double click on pickaxe for mining

Auto follow isnt the problem!  Its the 3rd party attack scripts they run on theyre chars that is.  Its not multiboxing, its seperate attack scripts loaded on each client.  Its been ridiculous in Uo for years but is not enforced at all.  The same thing is used for those people who farm places like svaetra and other areas with 5-10 chars.  Maybe one day the devs will wake up.

Merus said:

The biggest problem is that GMs aren’t educated enough (most times) to actually tell the difference between a good multi-client player and a multi-boxer… especially if they are standing still.

I regularly play 4 accounts and have 4 monitors.  With basic CC macros bound to the same key for each client, I can easily manually move my mouse over each client and hit the macro key for all 4 in about 1-1.5 seconds.  From the casual observer it looks like they all do the same thing at the same time, even though they don’t.  Add in a row for toggle primary ability to the CC targeting macro shown above and it’s super easy for me to chain AI on 4 accounts for attacking the nearest mob.

I readily admit to using the same strategy while using auto-follow in CC.  If you see me playing it very much looks like an auto attack script because it usually takes auto-follow about 1-2 seconds for the following clients to stop moving once I’ve stopped the lead character… during which I’ve hit the macro on each screen.  Again from the casual observer it looks like they auto attack the exact moment they stop moving (ranged AI won’t attack until the character is stationary).

I’ve been playing with this setup for years, so I have lots of practice and consider myself pretty decent at it, but I’m quite certain there are players who do it better than me.

Just because you can’t do it, or fail to understand how another player can, does not mean that the player needs to be banned or the functionality removed from the game.  That’s the same kind of broken thinking that has some schools removing AP classes because not everyone is smart enough to be in them.

LOL...that's all. 4 monitors lol.....1.5 seconds...lol...Please get a selfie of you sitting in front of your 4 monitors...you can blank out your taskbar on all 4 before you post it..

Or even better, @Kyronix, please find out who Merus' characters are, and spend all of 5 minutes following him. Check your logs for the commands he uses from his IP address for all 4 accounts and come back and tell us if he's telling the truth or not. Please ?

Garth_Grey said:

Merus said:

The biggest problem is that GMs aren’t educated enough (most times) to actually tell the difference between a good multi-client player and a multi-boxer… especially if they are standing still.

I regularly play 4 accounts and have 4 monitors.  With basic CC macros bound to the same key for each client, I can easily manually move my mouse over each client and hit the macro key for all 4 in about 1-1.5 seconds.  From the casual observer it looks like they all do the same thing at the same time, even though they don’t.  Add in a row for toggle primary ability to the CC targeting macro shown above and it’s super easy for me to chain AI on 4 accounts for attacking the nearest mob.

I readily admit to using the same strategy while using auto-follow in CC.  If you see me playing it very much looks like an auto attack script because it usually takes auto-follow about 1-2 seconds for the following clients to stop moving once I’ve stopped the lead character… during which I’ve hit the macro on each screen.  Again from the casual observer it looks like they auto attack the exact moment they stop moving (ranged AI won’t attack until the character is stationary).

I’ve been playing with this setup for years, so I have lots of practice and consider myself pretty decent at it, but I’m quite certain there are players who do it better than me.

Just because you can’t do it, or fail to understand how another player can, does not mean that the player needs to be banned or the functionality removed from the game.  That’s the same kind of broken thinking that has some schools removing AP classes because not everyone is smart enough to be in them.

LOL...that's all. 4 monitors lol.....1.5 seconds...lol...Please get a selfie of you sitting in front of your 4 monitors...you can blank out your taskbar on all 4 before you post it..

Or even better, @ Kyronix, please find out who Merus' characters are, and spend all of 5 minutes following him. Check your logs for the commands he uses from his IP address for all 4 accounts and come back and tell us if he's telling the truth or not. Please ?

I actually have several videos on YouTube.  Here is a link to one I recorded during the city invasions where I was accused of multi-boxing.  No need to blank the task bar, easy to see nothing but UO, UOA and the video recording software is running.  You can watch the mouse move, but its fast.  Pay particular attention to the "all follow me" command... the mouse moves to each screen, but its very fast.  Its well over an hour long, so its not like I did just a couple minutes either.



Desk is a little messy, so don’t judge.

Ha that's a clean desk.

He has all the same monitors, mine are all different sizes.
Notice the gamepad on the left and mouse on the right, much easier to play with those.

@Garth_Grey are you still a caveman that starts fire with 2 sticks?

I have a Serta iComfort chair, rated for 12 hours of sitting.  That grey wrist pad is probably older than a lot of yalls kids. yuk

Just to reiterate, the GMs have banned accounts for using autofollow because they think its multiboxing.

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

You also can't stay in combat mode in the classic client, when you hit alt/tab to go back to another client.

Garth_Grey said:

You also can't stay in combat mode in the classic client, when you hit alt/tab to go back to another client.

CovenantX said:

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

  Hold Alt and left click the character you wish to follow

.

 When it works, it'll say "now following", then have the followed character move.

I look forward to the players that say they can do that on 4-10 clients in 2.6 seconds along with sending combat special moves etc...all while using a stack of pennies to hold the key down..gtfooh. I know @Kyronix and others sit at home and read this hogwash and laugh like there's no tomorrow.

Garth_Grey said:

CovenantX said:

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

  Hold Alt and left click the character you wish to follow

.

 When it works, it'll say "now following", then have the followed character move.

I look forward to the players that say they can do that on 4-10 clients in 2.6 seconds along with sending combat special moves etc...all while using a stack of pennies to hold the key down..gtfooh. I know @ Kyronix and others sit at home and read this hogwash and laugh like there's no tomorrow.

Garth_Grey said:

CovenantX said:

Hippo said:

Is there a legit macro for CC auto follow? And is it a macro I can use the CC macro menu to setup? Regards, Hippo

  Hold Alt and left click the character you wish to follow

.

 When it works, it'll say "now following", then have the followed character move.

I look forward to the players that say they can do that on 4-10 clients in 2.6 seconds along with sending combat special moves etc...all while using a stack of pennies to hold the key down..gtfooh. I know @ Kyronix and others sit at home and read this hogwash and laugh like there's no tomorrow.

I could run 6 clients on my screens they are all 25in and above and I never need to Alt tab, again are you still a caveman? My mouse moves about 1/2 inch to go from left monitor to the right one. How long does it take you to move your mouse 1/4 inch and click then hit a macro. I use both hands when I play. Amazing what you can do when you use technology that has been around for years. 

Pawain said:

I could run 6 clients on my screens they are all 25in and above and I never need to Alt tab, again are you still a caveman? My mouse moves about 1/2 inch to go from left monitor to the right one. How long does it take you to move your mouse 1/4 inch and click then hit a macro. I use both hands when I play. Amazing what you can do when you use technology that has been around for years. 

CovenantX said:

Pawain said:

I could run 6 clients on my screens they are all 25in and above and I never need to Alt tab, again are you still a caveman? My mouse moves about 1/2 inch to go from left monitor to the right one. How long does it take you to move your mouse 1/4 inch and click then hit a macro. I use both hands when I play. Amazing what you can do when you use technology that has been around for years. 

 I could do that, but I'd rather have multi PC's and a single monitor on each, as i currently do.

 3 Pcs but i have barely even played UO on the new one.

been busy going through the darksouls series & elden ring, not been playing UO much until this event started up (still only play for ~1 hr a day), it's boring in trammel man...

Back in the day of CRT monitors I had 2 computers and Monitors on my desk. I had one keyboard on the desk and one in the pull out.  I was trying to play 2 toons in Diablo III.  That was a hot mess.

I really need a 3rd monitor…

Another tip to multiclient; if you hold the windows key and then tap the left or right arrow on the keyboard, your current/active screen will move to that half of the screen.
Example: Windows key + left arrow = game screen taking up left half of screen space.

Thats cool. I wish I could find a way to make 1 monitor divide into two sections that act like a separate monitor.

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Keep these replies coming, they're hilarious....

Biggest question from me about all of the legit players that are supposedly using a matrix wall of screens to play all these instances of UO at once: Why do you need to use 5 sampires or 5 throwers all following each other down in the dungeon all at once? Maybe 1 other toon I can understand but 4? 5? 

keven2002 said:

Biggest question from me about all of the legit players that are supposedly using a matrix wall of screens to play all these instances of UO at once: Why do you need to use 5 sampires or 5 throwers all following each other down in the dungeon all at once? Maybe 1 other toon I can understand but 4? 5? 

I think they think it helps to increase drop rate.

A_pixel_ho said:

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Violation: Multiboxing

Our review of the investigation and the associated serverside logs supports the findings of the GM investigation which indicate your character was performing actions while unattended. You have already been forwarded information regarding which clauses of the Terms of Service (ToS) and/or Rules of Conduct (RoC) your account was found to have violated.  Unattended Scripting/Macroing is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated in Ultima Online. We regret to have had to take this action against your account, however these policies are in place to protect the integrity of Ultima Online and the wellbeing of its community. Please understand that repeated violations of this nature will result in long term account suspension or permanent account termination. You acknowledge and agree to the following:

Goes on about TOS 

point is I was there and responded. All I was doing was  auto follow and moving from screen to screen same keystrokes heal, evade, confidence  and char ability. 

Gm’s and some players have no clue as to the difference. 

Are you aware that a GM can show up and open a monitoring window that shows your commands to and from the server, all with a date/time/IP/client count stamp ? They can see every query to the server and they can see if they're all happening at exactly the same time, or as some proclaim to do, whether there is a .005 second per client action, which is a ludicrous statement that some people think the rest of us swallow. And there's no such thing as an Auto Follow option, it's Now Following and you don't alt/click,  you alt/hold and sometimes it can take over a full second to activate if you're lucky to get it to activate at all on the first attempt, but we have some Legendary Dexxers who can miraculously do this on 5 accounts, all within 1.5 seconds.(oh and they can all run up and loot at exactly the same time too, because they're THAT GOOD with their $200 mouse ) Now technically you could put all of your clients into Combat mode, but they won't all swing/cast/shoot at the same time unless by some miracle of the UO gods, any particular mob attacks everyone of your clients at the same time..an AOE would do it, but we all know they don't all use that.

Don't worry overly defensive UO players, we all believe every word you say......

Mesanna

I am formosa shard old player SDV
Please do not limit the freedom of paying players
Dungeon fighting monsters is a kind of fun
Paying players have the right to enjoy their own games
Stop restricting the way you play games for paying players
UO is an OLG with a high degree of freedom
So we old players are willing to continue to follow it

Don't let us old gamers down with UO

Garth_Grey said:

A_pixel_ho said:

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Violation: Multiboxing

Our review of the investigation and the associated serverside logs supports the findings of the GM investigation which indicate your character was performing actions while unattended. You have already been forwarded information regarding which clauses of the Terms of Service (ToS) and/or Rules of Conduct (RoC) your account was found to have violated.  Unattended Scripting/Macroing is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated in Ultima Online. We regret to have had to take this action against your account, however these policies are in place to protect the integrity of Ultima Online and the wellbeing of its community. Please understand that repeated violations of this nature will result in long term account suspension or permanent account termination. You acknowledge and agree to the following:

Goes on about TOS 

point is I was there and responded. All I was doing was  auto follow and moving from screen to screen same keystrokes heal, evade, confidence  and char ability. 

Gm’s and some players have no clue as to the difference. 

Are you aware that a GM can show up and open a monitoring window that shows your commands to and from the server, all with a date/time/IP/client count stamp ? They can see every query to the server and they can see if they're all happening at exactly the same time, or as some proclaim to do, whether there is a .005 second per client action, which is a ludicrous statement that some people think the rest of us swallow. And there's no such thing as an Auto Follow option, it's Now Following and you don't alt/click,  you alt/hold and sometimes it can take over a full second to activate if you're lucky to get it to activate at all on the first attempt, but we have some Legendary Dexxers who can miraculously do this on 5 accounts, all within 1.5 seconds.(oh and they can all run up and loot at exactly the same time too, because they're THAT GOOD with their $200 mouse ) Now technically you could put all of your clients into Combat mode, but they won't all swing/cast/shoot at the same time unless by some miracle of the UO gods, any particular mob attacks everyone of your clients at the same time..an AOE would do it, but we all know they don't all use that.

Don't worry overly defensive UO players, we all believe every word you say......

You should probably quit posting on this subject, you’re making yourself look very ignorant.

keven2002 said:

Biggest question from me about all of the legit players that are supposedly using a matrix wall of screens to play all these instances of UO at once: Why do you need to use 5 sampires or 5 throwers all following each other down in the dungeon all at once? Maybe 1 other toon I can understand but 4? 5? 

I can’t speak for everyone, but for myself it’s about maximizing my time ingame, which is more limited.  At its most basic these ToT events are a function of monsters killed to get drops… more monsters killed = more drops.  For most low level mobs having multiple characters doesn’t help, but for harder mobs it definitely does… both in time to kill them and the ability to cross heal.  I use CC macros for specials and targeting, and UOA macros for cross healing (use item type/target).

Merus said:

Garth_Grey said:

A_pixel_ho said:

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Violation: Multiboxing

Our review of the investigation and the associated serverside logs supports the findings of the GM investigation which indicate your character was performing actions while unattended. You have already been forwarded information regarding which clauses of the Terms of Service (ToS) and/or Rules of Conduct (RoC) your account was found to have violated.  Unattended Scripting/Macroing is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated in Ultima Online. We regret to have had to take this action against your account, however these policies are in place to protect the integrity of Ultima Online and the wellbeing of its community. Please understand that repeated violations of this nature will result in long term account suspension or permanent account termination. You acknowledge and agree to the following:

Goes on about TOS 

point is I was there and responded. All I was doing was  auto follow and moving from screen to screen same keystrokes heal, evade, confidence  and char ability. 

Gm’s and some players have no clue as to the difference. 

Are you aware that a GM can show up and open a monitoring window that shows your commands to and from the server, all with a date/time/IP/client count stamp ? They can see every query to the server and they can see if they're all happening at exactly the same time, or as some proclaim to do, whether there is a .005 second per client action, which is a ludicrous statement that some people think the rest of us swallow. And there's no such thing as an Auto Follow option, it's Now Following and you don't alt/click,  you alt/hold and sometimes it can take over a full second to activate if you're lucky to get it to activate at all on the first attempt, but we have some Legendary Dexxers who can miraculously do this on 5 accounts, all within 1.5 seconds.(oh and they can all run up and loot at exactly the same time too, because they're THAT GOOD with their $200 mouse ) Now technically you could put all of your clients into Combat mode, but they won't all swing/cast/shoot at the same time unless by some miracle of the UO gods, any particular mob attacks everyone of your clients at the same time..an AOE would do it, but we all know they don't all use that.

Don't worry overly defensive UO players, we all believe every word you say......

You should probably quit posting on this subject, you’re making yourself look very ignorant.

You claim to be able to do all of that , and I"M  the one looking ignorant ? 

Garth_Grey said:

Merus said:

Garth_Grey said:

A_pixel_ho said:

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Violation: Multiboxing

Our review of the investigation and the associated serverside logs supports the findings of the GM investigation which indicate your character was performing actions while unattended. You have already been forwarded information regarding which clauses of the Terms of Service (ToS) and/or Rules of Conduct (RoC) your account was found to have violated.  Unattended Scripting/Macroing is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated in Ultima Online. We regret to have had to take this action against your account, however these policies are in place to protect the integrity of Ultima Online and the wellbeing of its community. Please understand that repeated violations of this nature will result in long term account suspension or permanent account termination. You acknowledge and agree to the following:

Goes on about TOS 

point is I was there and responded. All I was doing was  auto follow and moving from screen to screen same keystrokes heal, evade, confidence  and char ability. 

Gm’s and some players have no clue as to the difference. 

Are you aware that a GM can show up and open a monitoring window that shows your commands to and from the server, all with a date/time/IP/client count stamp ? They can see every query to the server and they can see if they're all happening at exactly the same time, or as some proclaim to do, whether there is a .005 second per client action, which is a ludicrous statement that some people think the rest of us swallow. And there's no such thing as an Auto Follow option, it's Now Following and you don't alt/click,  you alt/hold and sometimes it can take over a full second to activate if you're lucky to get it to activate at all on the first attempt, but we have some Legendary Dexxers who can miraculously do this on 5 accounts, all within 1.5 seconds.(oh and they can all run up and loot at exactly the same time too, because they're THAT GOOD with their $200 mouse ) Now technically you could put all of your clients into Combat mode, but they won't all swing/cast/shoot at the same time unless by some miracle of the UO gods, any particular mob attacks everyone of your clients at the same time..an AOE would do it, but we all know they don't all use that.

Don't worry overly defensive UO players, we all believe every word you say......

You should probably quit posting on this subject, you’re making yourself look very ignorant.

You claim to be able to do all of that , and I"M  the one looking ignorant ? 

You clearly don’t understand the basic mechanics involved.  I’ve posted a video that’s over an hour long showing how it’s possible with no scripts/unapproved clients, which you ignore… so yes, it’s you that’s looking ignorant.

Dude I don't follow your every move...where's this video ?

Garth_Grey said:

Dude I don't follow your every move...where's this video ?

Page 2 of this thread a little more the half way down, along with the picture of my desk (directly in response to your post).

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

He is multiclienting with 4 clients

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

Sorry but you need your eyes examined.  The all kills are separate and when everybody moves they separate just like when you have 5 packies following you.  You can also see him drag health bars on every screen.  If he were multiboxing they would all drag the same.  Blow it  up to full screen and watch the two on the right only or the two on the left only do not try to watch all four at the same time.  If you are multiboxing then how is he fighting different MOBs at the same time with all kill

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

That’s my whole point, they don’t say it at the same time.  Watch it in slow motion… you’ll see the mouse cursor move to each screen for the command…. The point is I have enough practice to do it at that speed manually.  When I said I can hit all 4 clients in about 1 second… that’s what it looks like.

keven2002 said:

Biggest question from me about all of the legit players that are supposedly using a matrix wall of screens to play all these instances of UO at once: Why do you need to use 5 sampires or 5 throwers all following each other down in the dungeon all at once? Maybe 1 other toon I can understand but 4? 5? 

Garth_Grey said:

A_pixel_ho said:

Monitor trees are nice. I have 4 as well. Also use Razor naga pro razor Tartarus. Hands are hardly ever in keyboard. Unless I feel like a keyboard warrior!  but yeah gms and others players don’t realize the difference from “auto follow” and multi boxing let alone know how to do it…I was reported for ”multi boxing” but I was using the in game feature “auto follow”. And moving from screen to screen. Gm messaged me. I responded back. They still said I was multi boxing. But I just had char on auto follow. 

Violation: Multiboxing

Our review of the investigation and the associated serverside logs supports the findings of the GM investigation which indicate your character was performing actions while unattended. You have already been forwarded information regarding which clauses of the Terms of Service (ToS) and/or Rules of Conduct (RoC) your account was found to have violated.  Unattended Scripting/Macroing is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated in Ultima Online. We regret to have had to take this action against your account, however these policies are in place to protect the integrity of Ultima Online and the wellbeing of its community. Please understand that repeated violations of this nature will result in long term account suspension or permanent account termination. You acknowledge and agree to the following:

Goes on about TOS 

point is I was there and responded. All I was doing was  auto follow and moving from screen to screen same keystrokes heal, evade, confidence  and char ability. 

Gm’s and some players have no clue as to the difference. 

Are you aware that a GM can show up and open a monitoring window that shows your commands to and from the server, all with a date/time/IP/client count stamp ? They can see every query to the server and they can see if they're all happening at exactly the same time, or as some proclaim to do, whether there is a .005 second per client action, which is a ludicrous statement that some people think the rest of us swallow. And there's no such thing as an Auto Follow option, it's Now Following and you don't alt/click,  you alt/hold and sometimes it can take over a full second to activate if you're lucky to get it to activate at all on the first attempt, but we have some Legendary Dexxers who can miraculously do this on 5 accounts, all within 1.5 seconds.(oh and they can all run up and loot at exactly the same time too, because they're THAT GOOD with their $200 mouse ) Now technically you could put all of your clients into Combat mode, but they won't all swing/cast/shoot at the same time unless by some miracle of the UO gods, any particular mob attacks everyone of your clients at the same time..an AOE would do it, but we all know they don't all use that.

Don't worry overly defensive UO players, we all believe every word you say......

Let them look at my journal. I insisted they do. To prove I’m at the computer and not multi boxing as they claim. Hell if it makes you happy I can run my clients on 3 other pc’s. And still run auto follow. Makes no difference to me.  “Now following”….. “auto follow”…. Whats the difference? Hold Alt/ single Left Click…One char is still following the other. Not everyone is  on your skill level… some of us understand the mechanics of the game and how they work. BTW the NAGA mouse runs $120 give or take. I’m f your a samp you should run AOE due to having to Leach. More spawn faster the heals/mana/stam. 

Garth_Grey said:
Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

bro are you really asking the first day of game play questions? You do realize you can change font text color for EACH CHARACTER.  You have no clue how this game works. I bet you use parry on an archer… 

PlayerSkillFTW said:

keven2002 said:

Biggest question from me about all of the legit players that are supposedly using a matrix wall of screens to play all these instances of UO at once: Why do you need to use 5 sampires or 5 throwers all following each other down in the dungeon all at once? Maybe 1 other toon I can understand but 4? 5? 

Considering most mobs in Deceit die to a single Double Strike (asides from the Paragons, Rams, and Spectral Armors), it is pretty wasteful to have 5+ chars together in that regard. However, the spawn rate increases with the amount of characters in the area, so having 5 chars following you around (even if they don't do crap) does increase the rate you can get artifacts by bumping up the mob spawn rate.

I can sit in the Lvl 4 Crypts on Napa and use my 4k Luck Tamer/Mage to kill most mobs, while having my Macer/Paladin sit in the corner on standby to deal with Paragons, and not get as many drops as my 2k Luck Macer/Paladin does running through Deceit on Atlantic, because he kills a lot more due to the spawn rate on Atlantic.

A lot of UO players will never understand game mechanics. 

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

He is faster than you or I will ever be.  On mine you could see the time between commands  because I have slow reflexes.

How long does it take you to click a button with your left hand, move the mouse 1/4 inch, click the mouse, then press a button with your left hand.  Its not that complicated.

A_pixel_ho said:

Garth_Grey said:
Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

bro are you really asking the first day of game play questions? You do realize you can change font text color for EACH CHARACTER.  You have no clue how this game works. I bet you use parry on an archer… 

Dude you can change YOUR text color all you want, but you can't change MINE as seen on YOUR screen....is there a reading comprehension problem going on ?

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

He is faster than you or I will ever be.  On mine you could see the time between commands  because I have slow reflexes.

How long does it take you to click a button with your left hand, move the mouse 1/4 inch, click the mouse, then press a button with your left hand.  Its not that complicated.

I've watched it over and over and you can clearly see All Kill appear on the screen, on all 4 clients, at the same damn time...I'm not really sure why I'm putting this much effort into this conversation. It doesn't affect my gameplay in the least, I just love a good argument.

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.

Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

He is faster than you or I will ever be.  On mine you could see the time between commands  because I have slow reflexes.

How long does it take you to click a button with your left hand, move the mouse 1/4 inch, click the mouse, then press a button with your left hand.  Its not that complicated.

I've watched it over and over and you can clearly see All Kill appear on the screen, on all 4 clients, at the same damn time...I'm not really sure why I'm putting this much effort into this conversation. It doesn't affect my gameplay in the least, I just love a good argument.

I've made my claims of what my set-up is capable of.  I've posted the video of it.  People who don't know me from Adam have watched the video and can see that its clearly just multi-clienting.  

So how do you explain it?  Its 4 clients clearly using the auto-follow in classic client (as seen in the beginning and several times throughout), with no scripts or multiboxing software running.  Clients target different mobs and cast spells separately... How do you explain the speed of some of those things?  

Garth_Grey said:

A_pixel_ho said:

Garth_Grey said:
Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

bro are you really asking the first day of game play questions? You do realize you can change font text color for EACH CHARACTER.  You have no clue how this game works. I bet you use parry on an archer… 

Dude you can change YOUR text color all you want, but you can't change MINE as seen on YOUR screen....is there a reading comprehension problem going on ?

Your beat… you lost the troll war… but won the troll award …

i think its time to ban 2d client. period.

Drago said:

i think its time to ban 2d client. period.

LMAO  So you want to ban all UO clients, guess you didn't know that EC is also a 2D client.  UO's 3D client went the way of the dodo.

I enjoyed 3rd Dawn client. Anyhow, I do not like enhanced client look at all, I've tried multiple times to "stomach" it I just cant tolerate it. For me it is hideous looking, sort of like early 3D games on the ps1,  just horrible looking and not timeless or charming. Not everyone feels that way but , it completely disconnects me from the nostalgic feel of UO, doesn't look good like a modern game like FFXIV, and needs nodding to be palatable, from most accounts I've read. I'm still plinking along in the basic classic client, dont even use UO assist, and enjoy the game thoroughly.

 Back to the point of this thread tho.. is auto follow illegal if you follow yourself with a bard providing buffs or discord for your "main" that you alt tab to on a single screen? Does that need to be curb stomped as well? At what point do we "stop 2D auto follow in dungeon"?

Auto follow is ok maybe monsters AI needs adjustment to focus more on attacking the follower

McDougle said:

Auto follow is ok maybe monsters AI needs adjustment to focus more on attacking the follower

The paragons in Fire attacked my bard almost every time.

NamelessJourney said:

Back to the point of this thread tho.. is auto follow illegal if you follow yourself with a bard providing buffs or discord for your "main" that you alt tab to on a single screen? Does that need to be curb stomped as well? At what point do we "stop 2D auto follow in dungeon"?

McDougle said:

Auto follow is ok maybe monsters AI needs adjustment to focus more on attacking the follower

The paragons in Fire attacked my bard almost every time.

Maximus_Neximus said:

NamelessJourney said:

Back to the point of this thread tho.. is auto follow illegal if you follow yourself with a bard providing buffs or discord for your "main" that you alt tab to on a single screen? Does that need to be curb stomped as well? At what point do we "stop 2D auto follow in dungeon"?

Is multi-clienting legal? Yes. Is using in-game macros, shortcuts, hotkeys, etc legal? Yes.

Why remove features in a game that have been in place for over 20 years? They aren't locked behind a pay wall and can legally be used by anyone.
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To be clear, I do not want to see any feature removed from any client

NamelessJourney said:

I enjoyed 3rd Dawn client. Anyhow, I do not like enhanced client look at all, I've tried multiple times to "stomach" it I just cant tolerate it. For me it is hideous looking, sort of like early 3D games on the ps1,  just horrible looking and not timeless or charming. Not everyone feels that way but , it completely disconnects me from the nostalgic feel of UO, doesn't look good like a modern game like FFXIV, and needs nodding to be palatable, from most accounts I've read. I'm still plinking along in the basic classic client, dont even use UO assist, and enjoy the game thoroughly.

 Back to the point of this thread tho.. is auto follow illegal if you follow yourself with a bard providing buffs or discord for your "main" that you alt tab to on a single screen? Does that need to be curb stomped as well? At what point do we "stop 2D auto follow in dungeon"?

I also cannot stand the Graphics of the Enhanced Client.... I would LOVE to use it because of all the macros and abilities it provides as compared to the Classic Client, but its Graphics prevents me to.

I wished that the Developers made it available a "switch" to use the Enhanced Client with the Classic Client Graphics.... I do not understand why this has not already been done....

why does it prevent you, does it threaten your life?

ADAPT

JackFlashUk said:

why does it prevent you, does it threaten your life?

ADAPT

It is a game, supposed to "entertain" us, to provide enjoyment, relax, evasion from our real life....

Why should I play having to stand and stomach the Graphics of the Enhanced Client which I utterly dislike ?

It would no longer be an enjoyable feeling to spend time in the game having to "put up with" a graphics which I cannot stand....

What is inexplicable to me, since I noticed that there is a good number of UO players disliking the Enhanced Client graphics (but liking its interface and all of the Macro functions, the followers, partied etc. bars and so forth) and much preferring the Classic Client looks, why the Developers have not made available already a switch to make the Enhanced Client be able to also function with the Classic Client Graphics.....

because it would take work and the original idea was to have players move away form the old 2D client

I dont think you know how to  enjoy, relax as you put it as you are always moaning

you have a sampire, it took you long enough to finally make one, THEN USE IT FOR THIS EVENT

when the event os over you can go back to your rogue

as I said before you have 7 char slots for a reason

obviously you a s troll, but do you EVER give it a rest?????

this game will not change for YOU, only YOU have this ongoing problem

YOU have to adapt or get left further behind than you already are

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Ok how exactly are you getting All Kill to appear on all 4 screens with different colored text for each one, at the same time ? Are the pets friended to you ? Why is the color of your speech different on each client ?  If I set my color to red, and I say All Kill, its red on my screen, and it's red on  your screen..When you say all kill, it's a different color on each screen ?Limme go back and watch the beginning again. And can you make a current video and upload that of your Deceit shenanigans ?

OMG you can set the color of speech for each toon. You are seeing each toon saying all kill.... You clearly are still rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Wait till you see a match, you will think it is some fake trick.  Gonna have to ease you into technology.
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Deceit is not a great place to multi client. Too many stairs and zig zags.  Takes longer to get each toon to the next floor for it to 1111111111111be beneficial.

Then you're proving my point because you can see all 4 clients say All Kill at the exact same time.

He is faster than you or I will ever be.  On mine you could see the time between commands  because I have slow reflexes.

How long does it take you to click a button with your left hand, move the mouse 1/4 inch, click the mouse, then press a button with your left hand.  Its not that complicated.

I've watched it over and over and you can clearly see All Kill appear on the screen, on all 4 clients, at the same damn time...I'm not really sure why I'm putting this much effort into this conversation. It doesn't affect my gameplay in the least, I just love a good argument.

While these things are possible is it the type of mmo they had in mind..

We converted @drcossack to a Tamer.  LS wins UO! 

Pawain said:

We converted @ drcossack to a Tamer.  LS wins UO! 

You do know I did that before the Shadowguard bug fixes, right?  When bosses didn't proc Fiendish Calling from pets.  There was no reason to use anything other than tamers there.

drcossack said:

Pawain said:

We converted @ drcossack to a Tamer.  LS wins UO! 

You do know I did that before the Shadowguard bug fixes, right?  When bosses didn't proc Fiendish Calling from pets.  There was no reason to use anything other than tamers there.

Next you will be using Cus!

JackFlashUk said:

I dont think you know how to  enjoy, relax as you put it as you are always moaning

you have a sampire, it took you long enough to finally make one, THEN USE IT FOR THIS EVENT

when the event os over you can go back to your rogue

as I said before you have 7 char slots for a reason

obviously you a s troll, but do you EVER give it a rest?????

this game will not change for YOU, only YOU have this ongoing problem

YOU have to adapt or get left further behind than you already are

Estel_Randir said:

JackFlashUk said:

I dont think you know how to  enjoy, relax as you put it as you are always moaning

you have a sampire, it took you long enough to finally make one, THEN USE IT FOR THIS EVENT

when the event os over you can go back to your rogue

as I said before you have 7 char slots for a reason

obviously you a s troll, but do you EVER give it a rest?????

this game will not change for YOU, only YOU have this ongoing problem

YOU have to adapt or get left further behind than you already are

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I'm only happy when it's complicated
And though I know you can't appreciate it
I'm only happy when it rains

You know I love it when the news is bad
Why it feels so good to feel so sad?
I'm only happy when it rains

Pour your misery down
Pour your misery down on me
Pour your misery down
Pour your misery down on me

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