Will the Fey event go to Fel?

Pretty much as the tittle says, will the Fey event go to fel? I think it would provoke some fights away from Yew, I really enjoyed the Fire event and it created a lot of securing an objective and a reason to fight. Maybe this is a bit late in this event as the crazy amount of artifacts that have been farmed with the interesting spawning locations at the initial setup of this event, thus securing the objective is not as meaningful. But bragging rights are enough...

I imagine a lot of the PVP community would want this as well. 

 I would ask for a greater drop rate in fel to really counter-act the reason to farm in tram. 

I concur that the fighting during the Fire Dungeon event was very fun and exciting.  People were there running champ spawns nearly all day and all night.   It was a great challenge fighting to get drops, fighting the champ boss for scrolls, dealing with thieves and being raided/defended by PVP groups.  It was some of the best group play I had seen in quite a while, with many different templates and play styles having a reason to go down there to see the action.   

I was hoping this would be brought back for the Destard event, as well.

For The Most part the fact its not active in fel is pretty much my biggest UO Disapointment its all we have talked about since the last dynamic event over 3 shards that I play in all the wider communities of PvP.

I question entirely wether its understood how much of the game relies on the PVP Community enabling the majority to enjoy the rest of the content which is pushed. 

UO PvP is still the best out there, thats why its still active at all - but to be left with no decent pvp objectives and such a huge opportunity missed to create some by the dev team without even really trying is beggars belief


We dont ask for much, we enjoy the game daily with 0 objective, but to turn up an opportunity to provide a Easy to Install objective, is almost rude

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/7499/activate-deceit-event-on-europa-please#latest

We had to beg last year for some content

Most PvPers i know run 3-5 Accounts, Many even more
I just cannot beleive that this isnt taken seriously

100% the event should go fel - it should either be higher drop rate or keep tram as well with a much lower drop rate to give an incentive for fel.

Like thandor pointed there are few reasons for pvpers to venture out of yew/do objective based pvp, and the last event in fire generated a constant stream of this and was a great success.

Currently the event is just massive lag fest and I seriously doubt people are enjoying just standing in a group aoeing mobs.

I was very disappointed that it was tram only as there was so much hype before hand.

“It always amazes me how much the biggest subscriber base gets shunned for some niche trammel community, as if there are more PvEers than PvP subscribers.

people only do content in trammel to sell to fel players. You think someone is going to pay 100 mill for the apron to help craft potions to help kill monsters?”

Nah. Simple facts:
Your PVP skill these days is measured by how many 3rd party programs/clients and cheats you run.
Those cheaters are the same ones botting in tram.
Last thing we need is to give these 'PVP'ers their own private island with increased artifact rate to bot.
Nope.

username said:

Nah. Simple facts:
Your PVP skill these days is measured by how many 3rd party programs/clients and cheats you run.
Those cheaters are the same ones botting in tram.
Last thing we need is to give these 'PVP'ers their own private island with increased artifact rate to bot.
Nope.

Your ignorance is insane. The pvpers just want pvp.. do you honestly think that people will be able to free farm the event more than it already is in tram? Players would regulate the afk farmers etc

Majester said:

username said:

Nah. Simple facts:
Your PVP skill these days is measured by how many 3rd party programs/clients and cheats you run.
Those cheaters are the same ones botting in tram.
Last thing we need is to give these 'PVP'ers their own private island with increased artifact rate to bot.
Nope.

Your ignorance is insane. The pvpers just want pvp.. do you honestly think that people will be able to free farm the event more than it already is in tram? Players would regulate the afk farmers etc

Feel free to PVP destard, and every other dungeon, is open right now in fel :thumbsup: Nope, PVPers with cheats are no match for your regular PVM player, your ignorance is insane.

“people have to run 3rd party clients as the official clients do not work for pvp.

There is no mobiles bar on classic client and select nearest hostile brings up neutral animals, guilded grey/reds, friendly red summons and dead enemy pets.
issues reported about 5 years ago repeatedly, still not fixed. You literally can’t target a moving player unless you cycle through a dozen of the above mentioned bugged targets first, in which time you’ll be dead already.

You can’t blame people for fixing things themselves.

The fact that a community is big enough to build its own client and distribute it should say something about how influential & large that community is.
they probably have a bigger dev team than broadsword.
(not condoning use of 3rd party client)”

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Feel free to PVP destard, and every other dungeon, is open right now in fel :thumbsup: Nope, PVPers with cheats are no match for your regular PVM player, your ignorance is insane.``

Thats not quite the point, The PvP community is the same as the PvE Community, The Content preferred is one which is reward based. 
Your point about scripting basically means you missed out on Thandors School of PvP in the early 2005 period
Every reason you can think of to take part in any aspect of the game Starts at the PvP Community kick starting the Economy.

Lets look at a couple of example early stages of making gold in UO 
1. You have an alchemist and want to make some gold - Who do you sell your potions to? PvPers (do PvE even use Potions any more)
2. You have a Tamer and you want to make some Gold - Who do you sell your loot to?
PvPers, Most Samps are running re-forged suits, imbued jewels. Tamers are running re-forged suits with Reward Jewels. Mages are running Mass SDI suits from Artifacts. 
The only person buying your wares from loot are PvPers.
3. you have a mage with SDI suit and you want to Make some gold - Who do you sell your items to? Maybe you decided to go champ hunting, you got scrolls for Pets to sell to the tamers, but without gold - from selling to PvPers they cant buy your scrolls 
4. you have a crafter with Imbuing and you want to make some gold - Who do you sell your wares to? - Probably sampires, who are out hunting for items, which are mainly sold to PvPers so they cant buy your wares without selling to PvPers in the first place.

The list goes on and on, Right to rare trading and Real estate 

Fel Event would self regulate, anyone using multi bots would be easy pickings - But regardless of the actual activity of the event here is a way I can prove that not having a fel event affects you.

If we had the event in fel -
1. you would have less Clients in trammel meaning the following 
     A) Less Lag
      Items would be more valuable
     C) There would be less overall of the items farmed in trammel

2. You would have A chunk of the playerbase in Fel 
     A) Characters in Fel PvPing Cant typically farm for items on the same chars 
             i) This has always been the case, not many pvp templates with full pve Whack
             ii) especially since the intro of antique items
      There would be less automated clients because they would get Wipped meaning less items overall, meaning better value for your items

3. Whole guilds would undertake the seige on destard together -
      A)you cant be laggy for that, otherwise you die, meaning less clients in tram destard overall - meaning less items farmed overall
      Guild fights can take every active player at the time away from their attems to harvest items for Hours at a time - Meaning less items farmed overall.

Im starting to get an RSI but i think you will understand the picture I am trying to communicate

The PvE Community doesnt need to enter into Fel - the fact it has its own fascet where PvP can happen means that if you dont want to take part, you literally have 5 other fascets to entertain yourself and what happens in Fel should not concern you - provided you can sell your expensive looted PVP Items im sure. 
You do not need to bash the PvP Community, the meer fact that the content is not improved or even slightly promoted leads to numbers spoiling the stuff the PVE Community enjoy

Again I ask with no malice can't you just go fight un destard anyway??

its objective based pvp we like - it gives a focal point and a winner and a looser, without it theres no outcome and no reward only ego.

Champ hunts and harrowers are a great example of how well it works and we have fought over the only piece of content for 20 years

Thandor said:

its objective based pvp we like - it gives a focal point and a winner and a looser, without it theres no outcome and no reward only ego.

Champ hunts and harrowers are a great example of how well it works and we have fought over the only piece of content for 20 years

Did they turn off the champ spawn in Fel Destard?  No. Yall want to double dip.  If spawn mobs were not tagged 'of the...... "  you would not do the other parts of Destard in Fel.

120 Tactics is still 90M.  There already is a reward and probably easier to get since Yoshi said the PvP scripters are in Tram anyway. 

There is still a reward.

youre right - there should always be more reward for higher risk - the fact that the battle will go on for hours and hours and hours will mean that theres no advantage to the champ spawn dropping more items 

Not to mention the fact we have fought over champ spawns for years and years and years -

Reptile cameo sells for 700m, - thats alot of 120 tactics, and alot of other scrolls that have 0 value before you get that.

Also i forget to mention, that the PvP community is wealthy, so we dont need the gold from the 120 tactics typically so it doesnt encourage any pvp that its worth 90m 9/10 times the spawns are worked in a hope they create some PvP --- they dont, because people dont need to compete over their little value, all our toons are already scrolled out

"hehe yeah Blitz will spend 90 mill worth of tele ring charges to get 1 dismount"

Pawain said:

120 Tactics is still 90M.  There already is a reward and probably easier to get since Yoshi said the PvP scripters are in Tram anyway. 

Literally not worth the time

Say you earn $40 and you enjoy PvPing and not PvEing, 
1p = $80.00, 
Work for 2hrs and get 100 champs worth of very very lucky RNG landing 120 tactics every time, or work 2hrs more in a shift and get everything you need for your next gaming session? (its probably more like 500 champs worth of Scrolls - and each one takes 40minutes to solo for an average PvE'r

In my earlier post i didnt show any options of how the PvP community makes gold, because its wealthy not to mention it doesnt interest alot to use their time generating more gold - thats a PVE way of thinking

So then why do you need drops that sell for 5M each?  You can buy the reward items since you are so rich.  Fight at Yew gate since you do not need gold, PvP is for the thrill isn't it?

I don't like the debate but you guys just don't make sense go and fight and to quote yoshi no risk with no cursed autoinsured drops

Pawain said:

So then why do you need drops that sell for 5M each?  You can buy the reward items since you are so rich.  Fight at Yew gate since you do not need gold, PvP is for the thrill isn't it?

because they enable the higher end drops which we want, for pvp - which means we will fight over them. 

At the end of the day, I think i speak for the whole community when I say we mainly enjoy objective based PvP, the meer fact its new creates that objective. Youre right, we can constantly create our own content, and we do... but you are countering my argument having always gotten new content - why is doom pretty much a baron dungeon now?

Pawain said:

So then why do you need drops that sell for 5M each?  You can buy the reward items since you are so rich.  Fight at Yew gate since you do not need gold, PvP is for the thrill isn't it?

yew gate, is the same fight for 20 years - We are meerly asking for a reason to fight in a dungeon we already have but dont really use - the PVE guys are getting new content in their dungeon, why cant we?

None of you have to stay red come to tram 

Absolutely no reason why this shouldn’t be on in fel, maybe add a champ spawn to the back of tram deatard and make one of the big arties a drop from it instead of power scrolls. The devs always go towards one part of the game and completely ignore the other. It’s always like this. 

McDougle said:

None of you have to stay red come to tram 

You dont understand - WE want to generate PvP not PvE - and you dont clearly understand why we enjoy that, so pass comment - also, we are in Tram , we want the items., Fel is dead right now on most servers, this leads to people leaving Uo - Bad thing

Again you  say we don't need the money then ask for a reward thst you don't need a reason to fight but a new one would be nice but ps not reward enough it cant be the drops you're after because auto insurance so you need what's the word I'm looking for victims?? You also have the option of starting to kills and warring each other inbtram while in destard

Agreed with the majority here- pvper's just want their own special island where they can double (triple) dip: nothing better than getting 120's PLUS fey drops at increased fel rate PLUS champ spawn monster spawn rates, lol.

Real PVPers would be silent and take advantage of the distraction of all the blues doing the spawn in tram and do champs in fel. These supposed blue trammys interfering and taking their fel spawns lol.

McDougle said:

Again you  say we don't need the money then ask for a reward thst you don't need a reason to fight but a new one would be nice but ps not reward enough it cant be the drops you're after because auto insurance so you need what's the word I'm looking for victims?? You also have the option of starting to kills and warring each other inbtram while in destard

i See the logic youre trying to apply here, but its not quite right its probably more emotionally led than you are trying to understand,

we want the new items, we want to compete for them, we will buy some, we will farm some

Victims isnt the right word, because you arent being forced to enter the moongate, PvP is literally OPT IN.

The scenario is this 
somone gets home from work early and thinks, ill have 1hr farming on that champ spawn, because the drop rate is nice, theres a chance i might get killed, but by that time my buddies might be online to help me defend it.

then somone from guild 2 logs in and thinks, im going to see if anyones trying their luck on that new champs spawn ... bingo and the fights keep growing and on they go.
The fights last from 4PM US West time, until 1.00am, not much time there.

everyone wants those new rewards, everyone enjoys playing UO Content, the PvP community included like broader UO Content but we usually pass that uo to take part in PvP, an event like this makes both elements possible.

I really dont understand why you are against this, youve only objected why we want it, why dont you want us to have it? it seems strange, like the whole of the Fel community saying "Nooo dont add more dungeons and items for Trammel Community to farm" - literally never happens.



in response to your last point, in an ideal world the items dropping in fel would be cursed but drop faster, this would make the fights the best in the gaming world. BUT i realise this would be too much to ask, so Ill take the approach of nibbling and just request we have some new content in Fel 

Hey Guys, Dont enjoy the game because thats only for us?

Quite the opposite i feel all content should be on both sides but that means PS in tram 

“This trammel only event is a 
STUNT
Everyone was expecting at the very least a repeat of the fire/deceit event.
not sure what the motive of this self destructive stunt is??”
personal opinion removed

McDougle said:

Quite the opposite i feel all content should be on both sides but that means PS in tram +1

Pvp... yall mean the system that keeps changing when someone whines after losing fights - for the past 20 over years? Oh I gave up some time back but still playing the Trammel game with 3 active accounts.

It doesn't matter that it changes 
The fun is in adapting. 
This isn't the discussion point either 

I will pay $10 or 100m gold for a fel destard event like the fire one.  Tram only and shard bound reward why do it.  I got transfer shield tokens after 20 years of playing I can’t use xshard because can’t bring my suit.  Rude development

dont bother asking!
They dont care about the PVPers right @Kyronix ???
The devs silence about this is not a surprise. PVPers are asking for years and years and years and nothing.

@Kyronix you dont need to go that far back and look what @Mesanna PROMISED at the 20th Aniv Party.



and that never happened!
We waited again and again and We asked for more events in Felucca (DENIED AGAIN)

Than you ask why many PVPers left for FreeShard

@Kyronix can you give us any sort of explanation on why you all hate PVPers so much??

Yeah @ mention a dev 3 times in the same post. That should do the trick. 

Pvpers are the minority, they honestly don't care about us. The last 7 years we've received zero content outside of the new dynamic spawn system. Mesanna lied to us saying we were going to get a new VVV update. Zero follow through, not even an explanation as to why they scratched that. Then again she has shown countless times her inability to hold her dev team accountable and to be more productive. I know they are small, but tell me how certain other simulations are capable of pumping out complete redesigns and consistent content monthly; with the same amount of people. Now we are 20 months into New Legacy and they have one video to show for it? This doesn't count the year of time leading up to the "big announcement". I really think this game needs new direction in order for things to get better.

Ooh look at that picture. It lists the user-generated quest system that we roleplayers never got.

Kinda bites. But, hey, priorities change! No reason to throw a tantrum over it. 

Why are trammies opposed to fel being turned on? They can still farm in their safe space.  The spawn rate is incredibly low, yet somehow its still laggy.  I'm pinging 57 but moving like i'm pinging 400.  What a waste, turn it on in fel, let the fun begin.

Lynk said:

Why are trammies opposed to fel being turned on? They can still farm in their safe space.  The spawn rate is incredibly low, yet somehow its still laggy.  I'm pinging 57 but moving like i'm pinging 400.  What a waste, turn it on in fel, let the fun begin.

Why do pvpers need a reward? A nice auto insured reward? You want easy drops you can't lose..and maybe some fresh meat 

I didn't say anything about needing a reward.  Are you suggesting you can't auto insure in tram?  You're advocating for rewards in only tram saying "You want easy drops you cant lose?  I bet you watch CNN.  When you reply to someone, you should try addressing the points of the reply, dunce.

Don’t see any reason not to have it in Fel. Especially if it gets the Trammel side to balance out a little. 

I really question a lot of what I'm reading in this thread.  There is a difference between more fodder to murder and PVP.  I think in UO the player base has mostly lost touch with this.  I quit UO in the early 2000's and spent a decade playing Dota.  That was PVP.  Two opposing forces engaging in combat.  What UO see's as PVP is just one group wanting to sneak up on another group, murder them as quickly as possible, take whatever they can from them so that after they can have a circle jerk in the server's general chat.  Am I missing anything? 

I'd be interested in real PVP but in UO I prefer the PVM content.  Maybe I should start playing Dota again.

Foos said:

I really question a lot of what I'm reading in this thread.  There is a difference between more fodder to murder and PVP.  I think in UO the player base has mostly lost touch with this.  I quit UO in the early 2000's and spent a decade playing Dota.  That was PVP.  Two opposing forces engaging in combat.  What UO see's as PVP is just one group wanting to sneak up on another group, murder them as quickly as possible, take whatever they can from them so that after they can have a circle jerk in the server's general chat.  Am I missing anything? 

I'd be interested in real PVP but in UO I prefer the PVM content.  Maybe I should start playing Dota again.

Foos you are so wrong. For the most part we don't have an objective to fight over and just wait for opposing guilds to log in. Even logging in at the same time when we both have numbers for a good fight.

Honestly if the spawn was in fel destard I might 30minutes farming before the pvp I want starts. 

P.s we haven't asked for more fodder to murder. You don't need to go there. 

If the event was active in destard we would have huge pvp. 
Your precious drop level would stay the same. 


Please can refrain from getting into a pve vs pvp community argument. 

I considered staging a mass walkout and suggesting we all stopped playing but unfortunately we would have to keep paying to keep our homes, I don't really know how to organise a protest in uo to show how many players would be on our side

Why is trammel spawn even posting in here... It is insane that people are actually enjoying AFK farming due to the sheer amount of people in Tram Destard on Atlantic it is impossible for GMs to actually monitor who is AFK, the amount of EJ accounts that have been made and there are already people with 1000s of drops..

The simple solution is to make the drop rate far less in Tram and give these new items some value by having this in Fel only.

The problem is with UO they cater to the care bear community and people who want to push play and walk away.

The events them self are a great idea it is just executed poorly by the development team once again and there is still no scheduled PVP update, this is the only game I have ever heard of that can go a whole year without a PVP update and still have people playing just for the nostalgia.

Yeah uh sorry guys I PVP'd for years before a requirement to being able to compete became using third party applications.  When I came back I was astounded at the depths that you have to go to be competitive. And once I had a PVP char built up (and I sunk to the same dephs as everyone else) I realized immediately that unless you were on Atlantic apparently PVP is exactly as I described. On my server nobody comes out to fight unless it's 5v1 vs a "trammie" at a spawn.  Went to Catskills thinking it would be different because I had heard it was.  It wasn't.  Same shit.  Takes hours to run around finding a fight that probably lasts less then a few minutes.  Again if you guys are serious about pvp then stop crying like little 3 year olds, head to Yew Gate and PVP like we used to do it back in the day.  There doesn't have to be a freaking "reward" to battle.  You just battle for fun.  But again, like I said.  You guys aren't real pvpers.  You're greifers and scumbags. 

Foos said:

And honestly, call me a trammie all you want.  I've done everything in this game.  I've played OSI, Free servers, t2a servers, pre-uor servers, tank mage, hally mage, dexers.  I've done every kind of PVP you can think of and this is the worst I've ever seen it.  You guys are the biggest bunch of sissies I have ever seen.  Again I say it, go out and battle.  Stop QQing on the forums.  K Goodnight.

**And for full transparency I have absolutely no issue with the spawn being in Fel.  I actually believe it should be.  But that isn't the reason you guys won't "PVP".  The reasons are the reasons I stated.  Deny it till you are all blue in the face.  Anyone with a pulse and 3 brain cells left knows I'm right.

Foos this isn't a discussion about the state of pvp. Thanks for realigning your post

Foos said:

Yeah uh sorry guys I PVP'd for years before a requirement to being able to compete became using third party applications.  When I came back I was astounded at the depths that you have to go to be competitive. And once I had a PVP char built up (and I sunk to the same dephs as everyone else) I realized immediately that unless you were on Atlantic apparently PVP is exactly as I described. On my server nobody comes out to fight unless it's 5v1 vs a "trammie" at a spawn.  Went to Catskills thinking it would be different because I had heard it was.  It wasn't.  Same shit.  Takes hours to run around finding a fight that probably lasts less then a few minutes.  Again if you guys are serious about pvp then stop crying like little 3 year olds, head to Yew Gate and PVP like we used to do it back in the day.  There doesn't have to be a freaking "reward" to battle.  You just battle for fun.  But again, like I said.  You guys aren't real pvpers.  You're greifers and scumbags. 

If you ask me this is 100% a content issue. 

How many players have been lost over the years xue to pvp content. 
We don't don't really complain 
Just shocked we didn't get it when it was basically easy mode coding

Obviously there are many issues with PVP but content being activated in Fel and the fact that even in Fel being Blue is a reward is a problem.

Risk vs Reward has completely lost its meaning in this game.

I believe this thread is long enough for its message to have been conveyed, but it's a little too toxic.