want all uo wants and needs

No I disagree with just about everything you said.
You speak for yourself not all of UO.

sorry tim if u say no to this  your the 1% gold sellers or item sellers. ever one wants that list and i mean ever one. (dont for get ar/scribbles have 100 accts. yew gate home with all them homes for sell. so then can spam 100 times on here no.thats not real players. just there bs) ever one wants this.and if u see any one saying no is the 1% gold/item sellers

Just have all the items go into the barrels. Nothing should go poof.

So if things are not shard bound folks will come to Origin and get them and keep them on my shard making them cheaper i say 1000000000% BS 

Ummm - I'm part of "ever one" and I don't want this list and I have never bought or sold gold or items.

at least idocguy try to use google translate

No I'm not nor ever have been a gold seller I had a real job (retired thank god).

I've been on Pacific for 20+ years and in favour of both shard bound items and deleting Vet rewards if they can't be saved for the player if he/she returns.

tim then dont save them. if then save vet rewards int he banks ill be ok with that, but then dont. pawain  thats want we asking for ever thing just go in barrel 60k deeds vet rewards. just not ore or wood not deeded up thats it.

it's probably best that resources and veteran rewards are deleted at idocs.
early year picks gain value over time like monster statues and dye tubs as more and more leave the world. And it's always good to have resources be deleted from the game.

A better system to redistribute land after an IDOC wouldn't be the worst thing.

Nothing on this list interests me, but i do find it interesting that the first thing you did when Tim disagreed with you was attack, accuse and belittle them.  you should learn to argue a point and remember the basic idea that you only speak for yourself, not others. 

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Nothing on this list interests me, but i do find it interesting that the first thing you did when Tim disagreed with you was attack, accuse and belittle them.  you should learn to argue a point and remember the basic idea that you only speak for yourself, not others. 

My point exactly we all only speak for ourselves.
I'd also bet the vast majority of player don't even look at these forms let alone post here.

tim is right most people dont come here only 10% and out that 10 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players. so it looks liek a lot dont want this but i am telling 99% of alllllll uo want one or more things on that list. 20k players 19900+ want it

steven said:

tim is right most people dont come here only 10% and out that 10 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players. so it looks liek a lot dont want this but i am telling 99% of alllllll uo want one or more things on that list. 20k players 19900+ want it

Where is your data to back up these numbers?

steven said:

tim is right most people dont come here only 10% and out that 10 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players. so it looks liek a lot dont want this but i am telling 99% of alllllll uo want one or more things on that list. 20k players 19900+ want it

Looked again, I don't want even one thing on the list. Idoc's will never work in a way that would satisfy a vast majority and it seems to be working more fairly than it ever has. IMO Loot is good the way it is and shard bound is a good thing, I personally just wish the EM awards were all shard bound for the sake of the shard, but that's not something necessary and I wont lose sleep over it.

 TXEggplant said:

steven said:

tim is right most people dont come here only 10% and out that 10 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players. so it looks liek a lot dont want this but i am telling 99% of alllllll uo want one or more things on that list. 20k players 19900+ want it

Where is your data to back up these numbers?

I'll second what @TXEggplant says. @steven show us your empirical data on this. 

Here's my question. Is it ironic, sad, or pitiful, that it is one of the biggest IDOC scripters/cheaters/gold sellers in the game (Steven/Idoc Guy/Daredevil), is now whining and crying, and wants it changed back? That said, the truth is, @mesanna should have banned the goldsellers/scripters/cheaters, rather than make changes that hurt the honest players. But that is a story for another day 🙂

IBTL!!!!

well 1st thing 1st, some people here need to learn how to use word document or google, because wow, i could not understand 80%, but I got the idea on the rest of 20% and I came with a conclusion.
The fact that the idoc changes hurt his operation, to me, is a win, priceless, he can only post here, because he is banned from every single other forums and He is really really mad, because now not only Spring announce everyday, so does the NPC, and before He was doing the idocs with multiple accs and didnt have much competition and now most because Spring, He have to deal with the fact that there is 20-30-50+ people that will punch barrels and actually GET something and that makes idocperson really mad. to me is a win win. KEEP THAT WAY  

I always vote for banning scripters at idocs. Banning scripters full stop.  I am guessing now the well known idoc cheat has run out of stock ? And now has no income ? Why anyone spends real money on this game nowadays is well beyond me.  

JackFlashUk said:

I always vote for banning scripters at idocs. Banning scripters full stop.  I am guessing now the well known idoc cheat has run out of stock ? And now has no income ? Why anyone spends real money on this game nowadays is well beyond me.  

Laziness and the instant gratification mentality. 

Not breaking any rules, no link, no names or anything!!!  but I have to show this!!!


"" 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players.""

Looking at the picture below, make me wonder the 1%

PrissyP said:

Not breaking any rules, no link, no names or anything!!!  but I have to show this!!!


"" 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players.""

Looking at the picture below, make me wonder the 1%

ROFL!

I do believe that this game lost its soul years ago when the line from playing the game for fun and actual in game satisfaction to the meta game mindset of min max and gold/item sales for cash.  But then again, its lasted for 25 yrs this way so what the hell do I know lol.

Of_Beasts said:

I do believe that this game lost its soul years ago when the line from playing the game for fun and actual in game satisfaction to the meta game mindset of min max and gold/item sales for cash.  But then again, its lasted for 25 yrs this way so what the hell do I know lol.

Right, it's when the decision was made to ALLOW them to continue rather than ban them as other games do. I also think it's sad that most of the devs KNOW who the cheaters/scripters/gold sellers are, but REFUSE to do anything to them. Even though it is a direct violation of the UO ToS. If @Mesanna is going to allow it, rather than just avoiding the question when asked, or burying her head in the sand like an ostrich so she can pretend it doesn't exist, she should change the rules so that we are ALL on the same page. To do otherwise is a slap in the face of all the HONEST players!

PrissyP said:

Not breaking any rules, no link, no names or anything!!!  but I have to show this!!!


"" 1% is the haters scammers gold selling pos players.""

Looking at the picture below, make me wonder the 1%

KHAN said:

Of_Beasts said:

I do believe that this game lost its soul years ago when the line from playing the game for fun and actual in game satisfaction to the meta game mindset of min max and gold/item sales for cash.  But then again, its lasted for 25 yrs this way so what the hell do I know lol.

Right, it's when the decision was made to ALLOW them to continue rather than ban them as other games do. I also think it's sad that most of the devs KNOW who the cheaters/scripters/gold sellers are, but REFUSE to do anything to them. Even though it is a direct violation of the UO ToS. If @ Mesanna is going to allow it, rather than just avoiding the question when asked, or burying her head in the sand like an ostrich so she can pretend it doesn't exist, she should change the rules so that we are ALL on the same page. To do otherwise is a slap in the face of all the HONEST players!

KHAN said:

It is very sad that most of the "rares collectors"/Realtors/ "trusted brokers" are nothing more than gold sellers. For those of you who say that you aren't affected by them. Think about this. They were responsible for all of the IDOC changes, including items being deleted. Causing the prices on everything to rise. A few are now "script placing" amost of the plots causing the prices to rise, as well as not giving honest players much of a chance. They are, in some cases, using stolen CC's to buy game time codes, and then selling the code for gold or $$$. BOTH of which are a violation of the UO ToS. This is just the tip of the iceberg! Think about it .

The devs made the choice to delete items.  The gold sellers benefit greatly from that change.

Where do you think many players get that 150M to buy a commodity deed box?  Everyone is not rich like you.

Pawain said:

KHAN said:

It is very sad that most of the "rares collectors"/Realtors/ "trusted brokers" are nothing more than gold sellers. For those of you who say that you aren't affected by them. Think about this. They were responsible for all of the IDOC changes, including items being deleted. Causing the prices on everything to rise. A few are now "script placing" amost of the plots causing the prices to rise, as well as not giving honest players much of a chance. They are, in some cases, using stolen CC's to buy game time codes, and then selling the code for gold or $$$. BOTH of which are a violation of the UO ToS. This is just the tip of the iceberg! Think about it .

The devs made the choice to delete items.  The gold sellers benefit greatly from that change.

Where do you think many players get that 150M to buy a commodity deed box?  Everyone is not rich like you.

IMO, the "better" response from the devs would have been to ban the gold sellers, and leave things as they were. Rather than hurt the honest players. Lower prices, and everyone on the same level "playing field". Much better than what we have now. Sounds fair to me.

^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^
LIKE LIKE LIKE

AmberWitch said:

I feel that the ones that hold the power are the players. They're the ones that make the choice to pay the high prices or not, to buy gold with real world money or not. Until those that do that sort of thing take a look at themselves, police themselves, nothing will change.

Until people start getting together and deciding to stop paying the prices certain sellers are demanding, change won't happen. It's not that complicated. Just takes balls and determination.

There is a problem, though, when grinding for something in the game takes too much of a players' time...

Say that a player wants a particular item, but that particular item takes, say, 15 hours of grinding, on average, in order for a player to get that 1 item. Consequentially, there could be players who could think that, rather then spending 15 hours in a game in order to get that item in the game, they could just spend that time on some paid job in real life, earn a good amount of money, and then pay a few bucks to buy that item...

It would be a more efficient use of one's own time, wouldn't it be ?

Let me make an example to better explain myself... let's imagine, just for the sake of the discussion, that a player was to earn minimum wage of, say, 12 US dollars an hour.

Let's imagine that the grinding to get a given item would need 15 hours, on average. Working those 15 hours on a paid job at minimum wage rather then spending them grinding in the game, would earn that individual some 180 US dollars.

Now, let's imagine that such an in game item which the player wants, needs, on average, 15 hours of in-game grinding, and has an in game cost when bought from other players, of say 300 millions in game gold.

Now, let's imagine that in game gold was to sell on average, 50 US dollars to get 300 millions of in game gold.

Under these conditions, perhaps there could be players preferring to spend those 15 hours working a paid job in real life, earn 180 US dollars, and then spend 50 US dollars to buy 300 millions of in game gold to then purchase that wanted item.

The player would be still left with 130 US Dollars and have the in-game item as well, instead of spending those 15 items grinding in the game to get "only" that item....

Why am I making this argument ?

Because, at least to my opinion, the amount of countless grinding that needs to be done in that game, for certain items, to get them, might be, for some players, a reason to motivate them to just buy the gold with real money and thus get that in game item in way less time as they would need to do grinding in the game to earn it...

But then, if players start purchasing items in a game using real money, because the grinding to get them in the game takes too long, what is the point of actually playing the game in the first place ?

Eventually, some players might realize the absurdity of this and stop playing the game althougether since getting items in the game takes way too long, because the grinding necessary is too time consuming, and just purchasing them with real money, while more efficient in regards to how to spend one's own time, could make one feel playing that game, pointless...

And the game then might looses players base because of that....

Want players play games for fun ?

Make the getting of items not an absurd grinding taking too much time, and do not permit players to buy and sell in game gold and items...

Let players earn the items which they may want, spending a reasonable time, and have fun playing the game rather then wanting to spend real money to buy in game gold/items because grinding to earn them nin the game was to take too long.

That is least my opinion of it.

I've been asking for this for a while: I'd like to see some lower priced (25?) 'Account Bound' instead of high priced (150+ pts) 'Shard Bound' rewards for the next ToT. 'Account Bound' could be a great tool to mitigate RMT/cheating while rewarding players that actually do the content, especially like these ToTs where rewards are repeated, and could be lower prices since they couldn't be traded and have 0 inherent value.

Uo store can sell everything the rmt sellers can cheaper cheap enough to put them out of business uo makes money problems solved 

AmberWitch said:

I feel that the ones that hold the power are the players. They're the ones that make the choice to pay the high prices or not, to buy gold with real world money or not. Until those that do that sort of thing take a look at themselves, police themselves, nothing will change.

Until people start getting together and deciding to stop paying the prices certain sellers are demanding, change won't happen. It's not that complicated. Just takes balls and determination.

Agree 110% @AmberWitch I don't buy gold, if I want something I will either grind it or grind other things I can reasonably obtain and sell them to get what I want.  I don't pay more than what I feel an item is worth either I'll either wait until the price drops or bargain with someone selling it. 

     And someone made a post complaining about something taking too long to obtain. We play this game to have fun and enjoy ourselves. For someone to complain about having to spend more time playing it, is something I find Hilarious.  "You mean I have to play the game more to get what I want? The AUDACITY!!!" 

popps said:

AmberWitch said:

I feel that the ones that hold the power are the players. They're the ones that make the choice to pay the high prices or not, to buy gold with real world money or not. Until those that do that sort of thing take a look at themselves, police themselves, nothing will change.

Until people start getting together and deciding to stop paying the prices certain sellers are demanding, change won't happen. It's not that complicated. Just takes balls and determination.

There is a problem, though, when grinding for something in the game takes too much of a players' time...

Say that a player wants a particular item, but that particular item takes, say, 15 hours of grinding, on average, in order for a player to get that 1 item. Consequentially, there could be players who could think that, rather then spending 15 hours in a game in order to get that item in the game, they could just spend that time on some paid job in real life, earn a good amount of money, and then pay a few bucks to buy that item...

It would be a more efficient use of one's own time, wouldn't it be ?

Let me make an example to better explain myself... let's imagine, just for the sake of the discussion, that a player was to earn minimum wage of, say, 12 US dollars an hour.

Let's imagine that the grinding to get a given item would need 15 hours, on average. Working those 15 hours on a paid job at minimum wage rather then spending them grinding in the game, would earn that individual some 180 US dollars.

Now, let's imagine that such an in game item which the player wants, needs, on average, 15 hours of in-game grinding, and has an in game cost when bought from other players, of say 300 millions in game gold.

Now, let's imagine that in game gold was to sell on average, 50 US dollars to get 300 millions of in game gold.

Under these conditions, perhaps there could be players preferring to spend those 15 hours working a paid job in real life, earn 180 US dollars, and then spend 50 US dollars to buy 300 millions of in game gold to then purchase that wanted item.

The player would be still left with 130 US Dollars and have the in-game item as well, instead of spending those 15 items grinding in the game to get "only" that item....

Why am I making this argument ?

Because, at least to my opinion, the amount of countless grinding that needs to be done in that game, for certain items, to get them, might be, for some players, a reason to motivate them to just buy the gold with real money and thus get that in game item in way less time as they would need to do grinding in the game to earn it...

But then, if players start purchasing items in a game using real money, because the grinding to get them in the game takes too long, what is the point of actually playing the game in the first place ?

Eventually, some players might realize the absurdity of this and stop playing the game althougether since getting items in the game takes way too long, because the grinding necessary is too time consuming, and just purchasing them with real money, while more efficient in regards to how to spend one's own time, could make one feel playing that game, pointless...

And the game then might looses players base because of that....

Want players play games for fun ?

Make the getting of items not an absurd grinding taking too much time, and do not permit players to buy and sell in game gold and items...

Let players earn the items which they may want, spending a reasonable time, and have fun playing the game rather then wanting to spend real money to buy in game gold/items because grinding to earn them nin the game was to take too long.

That is least my opinion of it.

I assume you mean that (after trying to read through your novel) even though it is against the UO Rules to buy or sell items for $$$, you are for it. Gotcha.

KHAN said:

It is very sad that most of the "rares collectors"/Realtors/ "trusted brokers" are nothing more than gold sellers. For those of you who say that you aren't affected by them. Think about this. They were responsible for all of the IDOC changes, including items being deleted. Causing the prices on everything to rise. A few are now "script placing" amost of the plots causing the prices to rise, as well as not giving honest players much of a chance. They are, in some cases, using stolen CC's to buy game time codes, and then selling the code for gold or $$$. BOTH of which are a violation of the UO ToS. This is just the tip of the iceberg! Think about it .

Again anothe non sense post from you keith....people stealing credit cards to buy uo game time code rolf...stop being a selfish person in the game maybe you will make friend that can buy game time code cheaper in other country before saying absurd things

KHAN said:

I assume you mean that (after trying to read through your novel) even though it is against the UO Rules to buy or sell items for $$$, you are for it. Gotcha.

Not at all, never bought anything nor sold anything UO related for real money...

Only saying, that it might make sense to some....

Mind you, playing the game, and "grinding", are 2 entirely different concepts, to my opinion...

Personally, I don't care, do not buy the item with real money, do not let myself caught into the grinding madness to get that item, just get by without  that item... 

That said, though, other players who really want that item, might instead find more convenient to buy it with real money rather then spend the necessary grind time to get it.

The bad thing, to my viewing, is the grinding.... spending real money comes only as a consequence...

If there was no such thing as the grinding, there would, consequently, also be no need to spend real money to buy anything game related, players, even if they wanted a given item very strongly, would just get it in the game.

So, if you hate RMT, ask for the grinding to get removed, and RMT will also go away, as a consequence.....

Fortis said:

KHAN said:

It is very sad that most of the "rares collectors"/Realtors/ "trusted brokers" are nothing more than gold sellers. For those of you who say that you aren't affected by them. Think about this. They were responsible for all of the IDOC changes, including items being deleted. Causing the prices on everything to rise. A few are now "script placing" amost of the plots causing the prices to rise, as well as not giving honest players much of a chance. They are, in some cases, using stolen CC's to buy game time codes, and then selling the code for gold or $$$. BOTH of which are a violation of the UO ToS. This is just the tip of the iceberg! Think about it .

Again anothe non sense post from you keith....people stealing credit cards to buy uo game time code rolf...stop being a selfish person in the game maybe you will make friend that can buy game time code cheaper in other country before saying absurd things

What did I say that was incorrect? The CC situation has been documented. And, It against the rules. What exactly did I say bothered you so much? Let me guess.....

They are, in some cases, using stolen CC's to buy game time codes, and then selling the code for gold or $$$. BOTH of which are a violation of the UO ToS. This is just the tip of the iceberg! Think about it .

It is not illegal to buy Anything from origin store and resell for gold, you should get your information right. also agree with @Fortis, you telling people that people steal CC to buy GTC?? wow, you really getting old and paranoiac.

Think this discussion has drifted a little from the original post.  But as one of the few actual new players starting a few years ago can and still playing can only say that it is UO itself that supports third party sellers. There is no way a new player can raise enough gold to buy a complete set of scrolls, a davie jones locker or a repair bench, and thanks to the way the game has evolved no way to get these items in game unless someone gives them to you.  It might be different for experienced players starting from scratch but not for beginners.  When I started if the third party sellers would have answered my emails I would have bought from them.  But they didn’t so I did not buy these items and just decided to go without them   I have enough gold now from selling items I earned or bought for resale in game, and friends to play with so I will stick with it for awhile.  By the way I started with an EJ account for the first six months or so.  Don’t really think that the game’s attraction is great enough that new players first trying it out would pay a monthly subscription after just a couple of weeks of play.

Yes if a person steals a credit card, the first thing they think of is buying game time for UO.

I did not realize UO is so popular.

popps said:

AmberWitch said:

I feel that the ones that hold the power are the players. They're the ones that make the choice to pay the high prices or not, to buy gold with real world money or not. Until those that do that sort of thing take a look at themselves, police themselves, nothing will change.

Until people start getting together and deciding to stop paying the prices certain sellers are demanding, change won't happen. It's not that complicated. Just takes balls and determination.

There is a problem, though, when grinding for something in the game takes too much of a players' time...
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Most people play UO for fun and if a game becomes a GRIND then it is time to give up that game.  Are you one of those people that has to have what every body has?  Maybe you need to step away from UO for awhile till it becomes fun again.

I am going to end this conversation. Thank you for your participation.